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  • Felton, Kidd, Shumpert, Anthony, Chandler

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  • Felton, Shumpert, Smith, Anthony, Chandler

    1 3.45%
  • Felton, Shumpert, Anthony, Stoudemire, Chandler

    12 41.38%
  • Felton, Shumpert, Copeland, Anthony, Chandler

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    Nyk Logo Decision coming on Starting 5

    With Iman Shumpert back and Raymond Felton getting closer, Mike Woodson is going to have some interesting choices to make regarding his starting lineup.

    Shumpert started Thursday because Woodson didn't want the second-year guard to tighten up after warmups.


    The Knicks are getting healthier -- Iman Shumpert made his season debut Thursday in London.

    Many believe Shumpert will eventually start for the Knicks anyway. But what happens to Jason Kidd when Felton comes back? Does he go to the bench?

    What about Amar'e Stoudemire? Will he eventually return to the starting lineup?

    Below, we present a few potential starting fives for the Knicks, once everyone is healthy.

    Felton, Kidd, Shumpert, Anthony, Chandler: Assuming Woodson wants J.R. Smith to continue coming off the bench, this is the best starting five in my opinion, although that comes with a caveat*. This lineup allows Carmelo Anthony to stay at power forward, where he can take advantage of mismatches. And it keeps a two-point-guard configuration on the floor, which the Knicks have had success with.

    (*The Knicks, though, would benefit from bringing Kidd off the bench after Felton gets back. Kidd has been playing too many minutes with Felton out, and bringing him off the bench would allow Woodson to keep him fresh for late in the regular season and the postseason.)

    Felton, Shumpert, Smith, Anthony, Chandler: This is the Knicks' best five-man unit, in my opinion. It's unlikely to be the team's starting five, though. Woodson likes to have Smith's scoring off the bench. Though it's worth noting that, of the Knicks' five-man lineups that have played at least 50 minutes together, two of the top three in terms of projected win percentage have Smith at shooting guard, according to 82games.com. This is the lineup that will likely be finishing games once everyone is healthy.

    Felton, Shumpert, Anthony, Stoudemire, Chandler: This lineup inserts Stoudemire back into the starting five. The issue here, as has been discussed, is the spacing between Stoudemire and Anthony -- and, more importantly, Stoudemire and Chandler. On Thursday, Stoudemire looked extremely strong off the bench, and it appears he'll have continued success taking advantage of overmatched defenders in opponents' second units. So I think he should continue to come off the bench.

    What do you guys think? If you were Woodson, what would your starting five be?

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    Felton, Shumpert, Anthony, Stoudemire, Chandler.

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    Felton
    Shump
    Cope
    Melo
    Tyson

    Better offensively than defensively but not horrible on D either

    Shump and Cope >> Kidd Brewer

    Both Melo and Cope will present problems for PF's trying to guard them

    Kidd brings intangibles Shump does not have but defenses will have to commit to Shumps penetrations more than they do Kidd's

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    Felton
    Shump
    Cope
    Melo
    Tyson

    Better offensively than defensively but not horrible on D either

    Shump and Cope >> Kidd Brewer

    Both Melo and Cope will present problems for PF's trying to guard them

    Kidd brings intangibles Shump does not have but defenses will have to commit to Shumps penetrations more than they do Kidd's
    YESSSS Cope

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    Voted for Felton, Shump, Melo, Amar'e, Tyson. Difficult to leave Kidd out, and maybe a bit harsh as he's played pretty well this season. However with Kidd coming off the bench it saves his legs a bit. Amar'e has looked ok off the bench coming back but I think he will start eventually and he and Melo I think are starting to work better together with Amar'e realising this is Melo's team now. JR off the bench is a cert, love the offence and energy he brings to the second unit.

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    Minimize the time Stat, Melo and Chandler are on the floor at the same time. We've seen Stat at the 5 so I like this lineup as well for stretches of the game.

    Felton, Shumpert, Smith, Anthony, Stat:

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    Felton
    Shump
    Cope
    Melo
    Tyson

    Better offensively than defensively but not horrible on D either

    Shump and Cope >> Kidd Brewer

    Both Melo and Cope will present problems for PF's trying to guard them

    Kidd brings intangibles Shump does not have but defenses will have to commit to Shumps penetrations more than they do Kidd's
    Yeah I would use this lineup ^
    or
    when/if ever healthy?

    Felton
    Shump
    Melo
    Camby or Wallace
    Tyson

    Bench:
    Stat in 5-6min after tip for Camby/Wallace/Cope
    Smith
    Novak
    Kidd plays the 2
    Pablo plays the 1

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    Originally Posted by NY_Swagger
    Yeah I would use this lineup ^
    or
    when/if ever healthy?

    Felton
    Shump
    Melo
    Camby or Wallace
    Tyson

    Bench:
    Stat in 5-6min after tip for Camby/Wallace/Cope
    Smith
    Novak
    Kidd plays the 2
    Pablo plays the 1

    Camby starting allows for teams to play tighter double teams on Melo

    His offense is Jared Jefferies type bad so far

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    Felton, Shumpert, Anthony, Stoudemire, Chandler:

    Felton will be back in the starting lineup when healthy.
    Kidd has x-amount of minutes he can play, if he's going to end games, he'll come off bench, as per start of season. Knicks can use his presence as the double-headed PG we've seen, and 3-point charge off bench.

    Shumpert is better than Brewer or Cope, is another PG-type distributor, and a better defender. The fact that he's in starting lineup the second he's able to play attests to fact that Wood Son loves him and wants him there.

    STAT, if he's ever going to gel with Melo, needs to get in the starting lineup as soon as he's able, he's better than Sheed or Thomas, who Knicks had starting as second big in his absence.

    Felton/STAT is a tried and true formidable P&R combo yet to be seen, that needs run in starting lineup.

    Melo/Chandler goes without saying.

    I guarantee this lineup will be Wood Son's thinking within the next couple weeks, as long as everyone stays healthy.
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    i like a lineup of felton, shumpert/kidd, melo, copeland, and chandler. i just like this lineup because without camby and sheed this lineup gives us a little extra size in the frontcourt. i know copeland isn't the best defender or rebounder, but until shumpert plays for a couple weeks i wouldn't want him to play bigger forwards.

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    Question Mark Would a healthy 15 man roster have Woodson FIRED???

    Originally Posted by New New York
    Camby starting allows for teams to play tighter double teams on Melo

    His offense is Jared Jefferies type bad so far

    Putting Camby in the starting lineup with Tyson was FOOLISH, DUM, STUPID, and a strong reason to question Mike Woodson ability to coach a contender team in the NBA.

    1) The purpose of signing C-Camby was to backup C-Tyson Chandler.

    2) Camby return from injury happen to be the same time as Amare return from injury .. coincidence

    3) Rather than coach Woodson let the two returning bigmen C-Camby & PF-Amare GELL as a frontcourt tandem coming off the bench getting their minutes together for 10 or more games, coach Woodson does the foolish.

    4) Putting Camby in the starting lineup without an injured Tyson, Camby automatically caught the Sheed alergic foot injury .. we could thank coach Woodson STUPIDITY for an injured Sheed & Camby.

    5) Our "OLD-HEADS" want to play in a steady lineup with the same teammates in the lineup so they could GELL - CO-EXIST with the players in the lineup. They do not want to be SHUFFLED around in so many different lineups where they never get the chance to GELL with any of their teammates after 5 or more games.

    6) This is why we have a poor-Frontcourt rotation with poor-DEFENSE, poor-REBOUNDING, and so many damn INJURIES .. Now we have to worry/wonder about coach Woodson foolish-substitution in the backcourt when both "Shump & Felton" return to the rotation.


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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Now we have to worry/wonder about coach Woodson foolish-substitution in the backcourt when both "Shump & Felton" return to the rotation.
    i don't agree with your entire post. have faith in Wood Son.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Putting Camby in the starting lineup with Tyson was FOOLISH, DUM, STUPID, and a strong reason to question Mike Woodson ability to coach a contender team in the NBA.

    1) The purpose of signing C-Camby was to backup C-Tyson Chandler.

    2) Camby return from injury happen to be the same time as Amare return from injury .. coincidence

    3) Rather than coach Woodson let the two returning bigmen C-Camby & PF-Amare GELL as a frontcourt tandem coming off the bench getting their minutes together for 10 or more games, coach Woodson does the foolish.

    4) Putting Camby in the starting lineup without an injured Tyson, Camby automatically caught the Sheed alergic foot injury .. we could thank coach Woodson STUPIDITY for an injured Sheed & Camby.

    5) Our "OLD-HEADS" want to play in a steady lineup with the same teammates in the lineup so they could GELL - CO-EXIST with the players in the lineup. They do not want to be SHUFFLED around in so many different lineups where they never get the chance to GELL with any of their teammates after 5 or more games.

    6) This is why we have a poor-Frontcourt rotation with poor-DEFENSE, poor-REBOUNDING, and so many damn INJURIES .. Now we have to worry/wonder about coach Woodson foolish-substitution in the backcourt when both "Shump & Felton" return to the rotation.


    can you stop being so dramatic please? woodson is trying to figure out what works and what doesn't.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Putting Camby in the starting lineup with Tyson was FOOLISH, DUM, STUPID, and a strong reason to question Mike Woodson ability to coach a contender team in the NBA.

    1) The purpose of signing C-Camby was to backup C-Tyson Chandler.

    2) Camby return from injury happen to be the same time as Amare return from injury .. coincidence

    3) Rather than coach Woodson let the two returning bigmen C-Camby & PF-Amare GELL as a frontcourt tandem coming off the bench getting their minutes together for 10 or more games, coach Woodson does the foolish.

    4) Putting Camby in the starting lineup without an injured Tyson, Camby automatically caught the Sheed alergic foot injury .. we could thank coach Woodson STUPIDITY for an injured Sheed & Camby.

    5) Our "OLD-HEADS" want to play in a steady lineup with the same teammates in the lineup so they could GELL - CO-EXIST with the players in the lineup. They do not want to be SHUFFLED around in so many different lineups where they never get the chance to GELL with any of their teammates after 5 or more games.

    6) This is why we have a poor-Frontcourt rotation with poor-DEFENSE, poor-REBOUNDING, and so many damn INJURIES .. Now we have to worry/wonder about coach Woodson foolish-substitution in the backcourt when both "Shump & Felton" return to the rotation.

    Woody had no choice when he was starting Camby so I don't blame him but its just not a smart move long term...in spurts and against certain lineups is fine

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    Kidd should definitely rest till PO. When Felton back, Kidd shouldn't play in b2b games, use Prigioni as backup.

    PG Felton 28min/Kidd 20min
    SG Shumpert 24min/Smith 24min
    SF Melo 33min/Copeland 15min
    PF Camby 12min/Wallace 10 min/Stoudemire 10min/Novak 16 min
    C Chandler 28min/Stoudemire 20min

    Prigioni (only garbage time and b2b games as 2nd PG)
    Brewer (only garbage time)
    James (only garbage time)
    Thomas (only garbage time)

    If Wallace can't play, bring on Martin, we need size.

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