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  • Felton, Kidd, Shumpert, Anthony, Chandler

    6 20.69%
  • Felton, Shumpert, Smith, Anthony, Chandler

    1 3.45%
  • Felton, Shumpert, Anthony, Stoudemire, Chandler

    12 41.38%
  • Felton, Shumpert, Copeland, Anthony, Chandler

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Thread: Decision coming on Starting 5

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    Nyk Logo Decision coming on Starting 5

    With Iman Shumpert back and Raymond Felton getting closer, Mike Woodson is going to have some interesting choices to make regarding his starting lineup.

    Shumpert started Thursday because Woodson didn't want the second-year guard to tighten up after warmups.


    The Knicks are getting healthier -- Iman Shumpert made his season debut Thursday in London.

    Many believe Shumpert will eventually start for the Knicks anyway. But what happens to Jason Kidd when Felton comes back? Does he go to the bench?

    What about Amar'e Stoudemire? Will he eventually return to the starting lineup?

    Below, we present a few potential starting fives for the Knicks, once everyone is healthy.

    Felton, Kidd, Shumpert, Anthony, Chandler: Assuming Woodson wants J.R. Smith to continue coming off the bench, this is the best starting five in my opinion, although that comes with a caveat*. This lineup allows Carmelo Anthony to stay at power forward, where he can take advantage of mismatches. And it keeps a two-point-guard configuration on the floor, which the Knicks have had success with.

    (*The Knicks, though, would benefit from bringing Kidd off the bench after Felton gets back. Kidd has been playing too many minutes with Felton out, and bringing him off the bench would allow Woodson to keep him fresh for late in the regular season and the postseason.)

    Felton, Shumpert, Smith, Anthony, Chandler: This is the Knicks' best five-man unit, in my opinion. It's unlikely to be the team's starting five, though. Woodson likes to have Smith's scoring off the bench. Though it's worth noting that, of the Knicks' five-man lineups that have played at least 50 minutes together, two of the top three in terms of projected win percentage have Smith at shooting guard, according to 82games.com. This is the lineup that will likely be finishing games once everyone is healthy.

    Felton, Shumpert, Anthony, Stoudemire, Chandler: This lineup inserts Stoudemire back into the starting five. The issue here, as has been discussed, is the spacing between Stoudemire and Anthony -- and, more importantly, Stoudemire and Chandler. On Thursday, Stoudemire looked extremely strong off the bench, and it appears he'll have continued success taking advantage of overmatched defenders in opponents' second units. So I think he should continue to come off the bench.

    What do you guys think? If you were Woodson, what would your starting five be?

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    Felton, Shumpert, Anthony, Stoudemire, Chandler.

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    Felton
    Shump
    Cope
    Melo
    Tyson

    Better offensively than defensively but not horrible on D either

    Shump and Cope >> Kidd Brewer

    Both Melo and Cope will present problems for PF's trying to guard them

    Kidd brings intangibles Shump does not have but defenses will have to commit to Shumps penetrations more than they do Kidd's

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    Felton
    Shump
    Cope
    Melo
    Tyson

    Better offensively than defensively but not horrible on D either

    Shump and Cope >> Kidd Brewer

    Both Melo and Cope will present problems for PF's trying to guard them

    Kidd brings intangibles Shump does not have but defenses will have to commit to Shumps penetrations more than they do Kidd's
    YESSSS Cope

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    Felton
    Shump
    Cope
    Melo
    Tyson

    Better offensively than defensively but not horrible on D either

    Shump and Cope >> Kidd Brewer

    Both Melo and Cope will present problems for PF's trying to guard them

    Kidd brings intangibles Shump does not have but defenses will have to commit to Shumps penetrations more than they do Kidd's
    Yeah I would use this lineup ^
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    when/if ever healthy?

    Felton
    Shump
    Melo
    Camby or Wallace
    Tyson

    Bench:
    Stat in 5-6min after tip for Camby/Wallace/Cope
    Smith
    Novak
    Kidd plays the 2
    Pablo plays the 1

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    Voted for Felton, Shump, Melo, Amar'e, Tyson. Difficult to leave Kidd out, and maybe a bit harsh as he's played pretty well this season. However with Kidd coming off the bench it saves his legs a bit. Amar'e has looked ok off the bench coming back but I think he will start eventually and he and Melo I think are starting to work better together with Amar'e realising this is Melo's team now. JR off the bench is a cert, love the offence and energy he brings to the second unit.

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    Minimize the time Stat, Melo and Chandler are on the floor at the same time. We've seen Stat at the 5 so I like this lineup as well for stretches of the game.

    Felton, Shumpert, Smith, Anthony, Stat:

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    Kidd should definitely rest till PO. When Felton back, Kidd shouldn't play in b2b games, use Prigioni as backup.

    PG Felton 28min/Kidd 20min
    SG Shumpert 24min/Smith 24min
    SF Melo 33min/Copeland 15min
    PF Camby 12min/Wallace 10 min/Stoudemire 10min/Novak 16 min
    C Chandler 28min/Stoudemire 20min

    Prigioni (only garbage time and b2b games as 2nd PG)
    Brewer (only garbage time)
    James (only garbage time)
    Thomas (only garbage time)

    If Wallace can't play, bring on Martin, we need size.

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    Originally Posted by deamon
    If Wallace can't play, bring on Martin, we need size.
    Not sure what the problem is with KMart. When he went unsigned they said he didn't want to play for the min, now that he will play for the min and on 10 day contracts nobody still want's him. The Heat and the Lakers could use him and he doesn't seem to be on their radar, almost like he's been blackballed.

    ESPN Insider doesn't expect the Knicks to make a move. BTW, the 8.8% is the chance for us to win an NBA ring among three systems this writer used.

    5. New York Knicks | 8.8 percent

    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] made his season debut in London on Thursday, and while his game showed plenty of rust, he was able to log 15 minutes without any trouble. Ray Felton is due to return from his hand injury before long, so New York will soon have as close to its full contingent of talent as it's going to get this season. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] insists that his foot problem isn't going to end his season, but it's also not known when he might get back on the court.
    If Wallace's injury does become a season-ender, then maybe the Knicks will seek another big man for insurance, though the depth chart still has [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. The roster is at the 15-player limit, the Knicks are way over the tax line and they don't have any cap exceptions left to use. Chances are, they won't be making any major moves.
    The biggest area to upgrade is the perimeter defense. The Knicks are allowing far too many 3-point looks, and according to HoopData.com, rank 19th or lower in percentage allowed in each zone from 10 feet and out. A return to health by Shumpert is the best option for shoring up this weakness. If someone does emerge on the buyout market, the Knicks could open a roster spot by eating the rest of [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]'s contract, as his performance in limited minutes hasn't been of much help.
    The Knicks can afford to be patient as they wait to see if Shumpert can play a major role and if Wallace can get back onto the floor.
    Last edited by tiger0330; Jan 19, 2013 at 14:46.

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    I am really suprised that 3 people voted to have Amare in the starting lineup with Anthony and CHandler. Amare still needs to score consistently to be in the starting lineup.

    However Amare is beginning to thrive in his role as backup center. With Sheed and Camby out I believe Amare should stay as the back up and have plays run for hom with Prigs at the point and JR/Novak/Cope hitting outside shots to spread the floor for him.

    I voted for Felton/Kidd/Shump/Melo/CHandler. Our perimeter defense is at its best with this lineup and we have the miss match with Melo at PF.

    The best statistical lineup is Felton Kidd JR Melo and Tyson which is a +63. However JR and Amare are thriving in their role and we should keep them there unless there are injuries.

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    Cool Coach Woody decision on the 5 starters will show his mistakes

    ReLoaded .. your lineup of Tyson/Melo need Ibaka, or Evans, or a strong defensive-rebounder in it for the midseason & postseason games.

    Your lineup of Felton, Shumpert, Smith, Anthony, Chandler: would be considered a small-ball lineup with 4 players who can put the ball on the floor .. its a decent lineup to trade-points .. it's weakness is giving up offensive-rebounds (with Tyson defendin-peremeter LOL).

    Felton is our 28 minutes startin PG throughout the regular season.

    JR.Smith is the SG that belongs with Felton in the starting lineup ..
    the two have to learn to co-exist in the backcourt through the midseason.
    especially if JR & Felton plan on being Knicks in the 2013-14 season.

    A 2nd season Shumpert is our 30 minute weapon u bring off the bench to opose the weakness in our oponents backcourt guards rotation for STOPS .. Shump is a finisher not a starter.

    Kidd is the best PG to tutor the future of Shump performance throughout midseason, this brings Kidd off the bench with Shump .. at least untill the postseason games.

    Melo is our 32 minute startin SF .. a position where he could get his best mismatch on offense .. however on DEFENSE we dont want Melo defending bigmen anywhere near the paint. We need Melo to follow Paul Pierce defensive strategy. We need our center & PF to co-exist down-low on the defensive-end so they dont get caught up in the low-post switches.

    Novak & Copeland are decent peremeter SF .. although both have a grade C- minus when trying to defend the PF post .. poor box-out, and poor at claiming rebounds.

    Our starting PF should be either Novak, or Kurt, or Sheed, until Amare is ready to take the starting job.

    After Amare's Fire-Extingusher postseason in a lineup with JR/Melo/Tyson, the best way Amare performance could help the Knicks be a winning postseason team is to bring Amare off the bench in his own 2nd-unit lineup without Tyson/Melo/JR.
    A 2nd-unit lineup fits Amare perfect .. Amare career is use to being in a short 6 to 7 man rotation .. since Amare return to the rotation coach Woody been shufflin Amare in and out of 20 different lineup changes ..
    This is not the way to GELL Amare into a rotation with 9 new teammates.

    Starters .. Felton/JR/Melo/Novak/Tyson
    2nd-Unit .. Kidd or Pablo/Shump/Copeland/Amare/Camby

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    Originally Posted by NY_Swagger
    Yeah I would use this lineup ^
    or
    when/if ever healthy?

    Felton
    Shump
    Melo
    Camby or Wallace
    Tyson

    Bench:
    Stat in 5-6min after tip for Camby/Wallace/Cope
    Smith
    Novak
    Kidd plays the 2
    Pablo plays the 1

    Camby starting allows for teams to play tighter double teams on Melo

    His offense is Jared Jefferies type bad so far

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    Felton, Shumpert, Anthony, Stoudemire, Chandler:

    Felton will be back in the starting lineup when healthy.
    Kidd has x-amount of minutes he can play, if he's going to end games, he'll come off bench, as per start of season. Knicks can use his presence as the double-headed PG we've seen, and 3-point charge off bench.

    Shumpert is better than Brewer or Cope, is another PG-type distributor, and a better defender. The fact that he's in starting lineup the second he's able to play attests to fact that Wood Son loves him and wants him there.

    STAT, if he's ever going to gel with Melo, needs to get in the starting lineup as soon as he's able, he's better than Sheed or Thomas, who Knicks had starting as second big in his absence.

    Felton/STAT is a tried and true formidable P&R combo yet to be seen, that needs run in starting lineup.

    Melo/Chandler goes without saying.

    I guarantee this lineup will be Wood Son's thinking within the next couple weeks, as long as everyone stays healthy.
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    i like a lineup of felton, shumpert/kidd, melo, copeland, and chandler. i just like this lineup because without camby and sheed this lineup gives us a little extra size in the frontcourt. i know copeland isn't the best defender or rebounder, but until shumpert plays for a couple weeks i wouldn't want him to play bigger forwards.

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    I thought the first option would win by a landslide. It's the best mix of guard play and spacing. We were at our best at the beginning of the year with Felton,Kidd,Brewer,Melo, and Tyson. Replace Brewer with Shump and we'd be even better. It also allows us to have almost as strong a second unit as a first.


    Felton
    Kidd
    Shump
    Melo
    Tyson

    Prigioni
    JR
    Novak
    Amare
    Camby

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