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    Originally Posted by smokes
    It just does. Surely you know this if you've watched the Knicks for the last few years? Billups goes down, Knicks suck. Lin goes down, Knicks suck. Felton goes down, Knicks suck.
    This year is not like past years. We have Prigs and Kidd who should be able to step in for Felton and facilitate but the ball movement is definitely not the same maybe because we started off the season with red hot shooting and you could pass it off to an open Brewer or Sheed. Now Sheed and Felton are out and Brewer came back to earth you have 3 less options to swing it to.

    With Stat and Shump back and Felton due to return I don't think we've seen the best of Knicks bball yet this season. Camby and Sheed will only be a bonus when they get back.

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    This year is not like past years. We have Prigs and Kidd who should be able to step in for Felton and facilitate but the ball movement is definitely not the same maybe because we started off the season with red hot shooting and you could pass it off to an open Brewer or Sheed. Now Sheed and Felton are out and Brewer came back to earth you have 3 less options to swing it to.

    With Stat and Shump back and Felton due to return I don't think we've seen the best of Knicks bball yet this season. Camby and Sheed will only be a bonus when they get back.
    Kidd and Prigs?

    According to the depth chart Kidd and Prigs were BELOW Felton at the point.

    According to our record sans Felton we were 6-6.

    How can one expect two players lower on the depth chart to "facilitate" at the same rate as those above them? Hello?!

    Red-ism...

    "There is a reason why players are LOWER on the depth chart."

    Easy as A-B-C, 1-2-3, P-I-E.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    The offense never went through Dirk, the offense found Dirk on the 3rd to 4th pass .. Ball-movement from Kidd to Matrix to Terry to Kidd to .. scorer.
    This type of ball-movement made Barea a great backup PG.

    Our offense go straight to Melo at the midcourt line, our 2nd option is Bad-shot-taker & Bad-shot-maker JR.smith
    Early, that happened, but it was more to save Dirk, use Dirk in the 3rd and 4th. There were nights where Dirk would have 3-4 points in the first half, but finish with 30. The thing with Melo is that he's scoring early, working early to hoist shots. There was major ball movement from the Mavs early on in games, the shooter was the open guy, regardless if it was Dirk, Tyson, Deshawn, J, or Marion. But in crunch time, EVERY single possession started with Dirk and ended with Dirk, if Dirk felt comfortable with his triple threat position early, he'll hold onto it, run the clock or go at it immediately. A lot of times J would get Dirk the ball almost immediately in crunch time, if Dirk wasn't comfortable, he'd kick it back for a reset to Kidd and they work it again. Dirk was also unselfish in crunch time as well, if he saw a double, he'd try to find Jet on the stripe.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    Kidd and Prigs?

    According to the depth chart Kidd and Prigs were BELOW Felton at the point.

    According to our record sans Felton we were 6-6.

    How can one expect two players lower on the depth chart to "facilitate" at the same rate as those above them? Hello?!

    Red-ism...

    "There is a reason why players are LOWER on the depth chart."

    Easy as A-B-C, 1-2-3, P-I-E.
    While I agree with your assessment to an extent, Prig and Kidd are pgs. They don't have to be the best creators - basically creating scoring opportunities out of thin air, the should jump start the offense. That can mean yelling out a play, calling out for a pick, setting screens (reminiscing how Stockton set some of the best screens for Malone) ... You get the point.

    I played college basketball and we set flair screens, back screens, screened the screener. The Knicks did all of that the first two weeks and Melo had all these clean looks. Sure, use his one-on-one, but mix it, be less predictable.

    And we should use Stat a lot more. And use JR a lot less. The Knicks were lucky to win last night.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    Kidd and Prigs?

    According to the depth chart Kidd and Prigs were BELOW Felton at the point.

    According to our record sans Felton we were 6-6.

    How can one expect two players lower on the depth chart to "facilitate" at the same rate as those above them? Hello?!

    Red-ism...

    "There is a reason why players are LOWER on the depth chart."

    Easy as A-B-C, 1-2-3, P-I-E.
    Red - You're talking about JKidd destined for the HOF not Toney Douglas or Duhon, though Duhon could run a team. And while I have said Prigs is not as good as JLin, he's a willing upper echelon passer.

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    Originally Posted by shaolin
    Dirk was far from alone. Jason Terry won three playoff games virtually by himself.
    Terry took bad shots as Smith. JR can give us 3 wins by high scoring too.
    Kidd made passes in end of 4th qtrs only to Dirk. Mavs had better defense, but played this high level defense only in end of 3rd and 4th qtrs, the same as Knicks now. They had to come back from 10-15pts deficit few times. The difference is Dirk couldn't miss shot in offense, Melo isn't even clutch us JR this season. Melo can't score against good defenders, and Ibaka couldn't do anything against Dirk's offense. Melo has to step up, RS MVP isn't enough, he has to play high level offense against top defense.

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    Originally Posted by deamon
    Terry took bad shots as Smith. JR can give us 3 wins by high scoring too.
    Kidd made passes in end of 4th qtrs only to Dirk. Mavs had better defense, but played this high level defense only in end of 3rd and 4th qtrs, the same as Knicks now. They had to come back from 10-15pts deficit few times. The difference is Dirk couldn't miss shot in offense, Melo isn't even clutch us JR this season. Melo can't score against good defenders, and Ibaka couldn't do anything against Dirk's offense. Melo has to step up, RS MVP isn't enough, he has to play high level offense against top defense.
    I couldn't agree less. Terry took lots of open shots and Dallas had much Better guard play. That matters. Marion also made a huge impact. Dirk's shots were limited to what he was comfortable taking. Yes, he had a 50 point game, but most of those were against one on one coverage, actually, virtually all of them were.

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    Originally Posted by deamon
    Terry took bad shots as Smith. JR can give us 3 wins by high scoring too.
    Kidd made passes in end of 4th qtrs only to Dirk. Mavs had better defense, but played this high level defense only in end of 3rd and 4th qtrs, the same as Knicks now. They had to come back from 10-15pts deficit few times. The difference is Dirk couldn't miss shot in offense, Melo isn't even clutch us JR this season. Melo can't score against good defenders, and Ibaka couldn't do anything against Dirk's offense. Melo has to step up, RS MVP isn't enough, he has to play high level offense against top defense.
    Well defend to my Ibaka, he was only like 21 playing in the finals. He's overall a good defender, Dirk is unguardable when he's on.

    As for Melo, he's shooting 37% this month. He can't do that in the playoffs. We'll see how he'll do during playoff time.

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    Felton coming back will be a major help, less wear and tear on JR and Melo. No one can penetrate and create 6 options like Felton can. When he comes barreling down the lane, he has everyone's attention.

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    I don't like Jason Kidd at PG. Hes a shooting guard now. He was much more effective for us and the team chemistry was much better when he was. We miss felton alot

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    Originally Posted by shaolin
    I couldn't agree less. Terry took lots of open shots and Dallas had much Better guard play. That matters. Marion also made a huge impact. Dirk's shots were limited to what he was comfortable taking. Yes, he had a 50 point game, but most of those were against one on one coverage, actually, virtually all of them were.
    Yup, fastbreak and Terry tries fast three not layup. He had a lot of bad shots, also was Mr. easy turnover. Terry was good in P&R played with Dirk.
    Guards: Terry wasn't good defender (the same as Smith), Kidd played the same defense as today (SG-SF defense), Barea was flopper, Stevenson was a really good defender. I expected it from Brewer in Knicks, what Threevenson did in Mavs, but he's struggling now.
    Dirk hadn't to score 50, he had to score all his shots in the end of game. Remember game vs OKC, when Dirk couldn't miss 5 shots in a row in the end of 4th qtr. He was really best in clutch in 2011.
    Marion was best at perimeter defense and fastbreaks, hope Shump can give us it.
    Mavs won because of chemistry and they were deep, we're deep too, and hope our chemistry from begin of the season will back. Dirk was the only ASG player in this team. Melo has to be better in closing games.

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    Originally Posted by shaolin
    While I agree with your assessment to an extent, Prig and Kidd are pgs. They don't have to be the best creators - basically creating scoring opportunities out of thin air, the should jump start the offense. That can mean yelling out a play, calling out for a pick, setting screens (reminiscing how Stockton set some of the best screens for Malone) ... You get the point.

    I played college basketball and we set flair screens, back screens, screened the screener. The Knicks did all of that the first two weeks and Melo had all these clean looks. Sure, use his one-on-one, but mix it, be less predictable.

    And we should use Stat a lot more. And use JR a lot less. The Knicks were lucky to win last night.


    Coach Sloan had so many different double/tripple screening plays for Stocton/Hornachek/and Malone to get easy scores, that the NBA best defensive coaches had no solution on how their SG always end up defending 6.9 Karl Malone with 10 seconds left on the shot-clock. So many NBA PG to this day has tried to copy-right Stocton's performance, but they forget to add in coach Sloan's team-ball movement.

    Bingo.… u are on point, Kidd, Prig, and Felton dont call out any plays because every lineup Woodson put out on the court look like they never practice any screen-plays in practice with our most minute trio (Tyson/Melo/JR) .. we dont create well for others off the screen .. plus when any of our bigmen run out to set a high screen for the PG our other three teammates look like pityful statue on the peremeter .. to keep the turnovers down we dont pass to cutters or a moving teammate.
    Our defense & rebounding are poor for one reason and one reason alone, Melo & JR not letting teammates in the offense...

    PS .... I HATE the new update to KO

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    Lastnight game of Memphis vs Brooklyn .. Memphis humiliated Brooklyn 101 - 77 never givin Brooklyn a thought of a win.
    Memphis high scorer of the game was not Gay, or Zach, or Conley, it was Mark Gasol for 20 points. Which makes the Memphis Grizzles a 10 times better TEAM than our ISO-Melo Knicks...

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    I'm sure we will be a more cohesive unit come playoffs. We still don't have that identity. Players are coming off injuries and otherz still trying to figure out when to step up when needed and when to fall back so others can assist. There are plenty of games left for them to figure this out. Best to get it out their system now....no worries here, not yet.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Lastnight game of Memphis vs Brooklyn .. Memphis humiliated Brooklyn 101 - 77 never givin Brooklyn a thought of a win.
    Memphis high scorer of the game was not Gay, or Zach, or Conley, it was Mark Gasol for 20 points. Which makes the Memphis Grizzles a 10 times better TEAM than our ISO-Melo Knicks...

    I mean the fact Gasol is a passing center makes their offense a lot more fluid. Chandler has never been a guy with passing skills, so Iso ball is pretty much occurring in our offense.

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