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    Originally Posted by T.O Knick
    15 Mill cap hit was simply not an option.

    Agreed. But the question was who is better.......

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    ZERO to due with hype.
    You would be foolish to want Felton over LIN.
    Remember its not other PG;s...its LIn or Felton...
    its not age or what if's
    Plain and simple LIN is better

    Don't think I posed a single "what if" but lets talk facts?



    Ok answer my question about Lin...how has he improved this year over last year? He still can not drive left, when he goes left he will either pull up and shoot, pass, or go back right! tell me one other NBA Starting PG with this fundamental problem!

    Felton thrived in both Woodson and Dantoni's systems...uptempo and a grind game Felton is better

    Felton is a better ball handler


    Lin is a scoring PG but he sucks at shooting the ball and creating his own shot, he can not take a man off the dribble as good as Raymond can

    Again Lin averages just 6 assist a game in the 2nd highest scoring offense in The NBA


    Neither is my end all at the PG spot...but no way we have the record we have if Lin was our point!

    As a Knick fan I certainly want more from Ray like most of you want, but we for sure would be demanding more for Lin if he
    re-upped here this past summer. If he was giving us 12 and 6 and the numbers he is giving Hou. there would be Chris Paul thread and goofy ideas about how to get him here everyday!

    Raymond is simply a good enough PG...nothing more...nothing less.

    Houston would gladly trade Lin for either of the two PG's that they let go to sign Lin (Dragic and Lowry) Regardless of what they say they are not happy with Lin's production

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    Lin is a far better player. Lin is a more efficient scorer with better shot selection and has a lot of room to improve since he is, in effect, only a second-year player. Plus he's actually a pretty competent defender. He drives to the basket and gets to the line.

    Felton, on the other hand, allows any scrub PG playing against the Knicks to put up Magic Johnson-type numbers, and his offense is worse than Lin's because his shot selection is terrible. There was a poster who just said that Lin couldn't penetrate...but Lin averages more free throw attempts per game than Felton does, indicating he's a much more effective slasher.

    The only thing that Felton does better is he turns the ball over slightly less, but even then, I'll take Lin's defense and better shot selection anyday.

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    tony parker, chris paul, derron williams, drue holliday, rajan rondo, russell westbrook, derrick rose, steph curry, steve nash, kyrie irving, jose calderon, brandon jennings, grievis vasquez, mike conley, john wall, jarrett jack, andre miller, ty lawson, ricky rubio, damian lillard, eric bledsoe are all better than these two guys. this is a dumb argument. i'd take any of these guys over the two guys we're discussing. lol

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    Don't think I posed a single "what if" but lets talk facts?



    Ok answer my question about Lin...how has he improved this year over last year? He still can not drive left, when he goes left he will either pull up and shoot, pass, or go back right! tell me one other NBA Starting PG with this fundamental problem!

    Felton thrived in both Woodson and Dantoni's systems...uptempo and a grind game Felton is better

    Felton is a better ball handler


    Lin is a scoring PG but he sucks at shooting the ball and creating his own shot, he can not take a man off the dribble as good as Raymond can

    Again Lin averages just 6 assist a game in the 2nd highest scoring offense in The NBA


    Neither is my end all at the PG spot...but no way we have the record we have if Lin was our point!

    As a Knick fan I certainly want more from Ray like most of you want, but we for sure would be demanding more for Lin if he
    re-upped here this past summer. If he was giving us 12 and 6 and the numbers he is giving Hou. there would be Chris Paul thread and goofy ideas about how to get him here everyday!

    Raymond is simply a good enough PG...nothing more...nothing less.

    Houston would gladly trade Lin for either of the two PG's that they let go to sign Lin (Dragic and Lowry) Regardless of what they say they are not happy with Lin's production

    I agree that Felton is good enough. I again put the blame on Woodson for not using Prigioni more and allowing Felton not to play 36 minutes a game.

    There are many PG;s I would take over Lin and Felton.

    I would rather have LIN as my starter then Felton as I feel his overall game is better and most important makes a team better.

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    Who's better for this team?

    Felton

    why

    1. Our players trust him
    2. Our coach trusts him
    3. He's cheaper and even more productive
    4. He doesn't come with the side-show, not Lin's fault but still
    5. He can go left and handle pressure

    Now Lin is a better defender but really thats it, Felton has better rapport with Chandler, Carmelo, Earl, STAT, Novak, Shumpert...etc than Lin did who really only looked for Fields with consistency

    We got their buddy-buddy asses out of New York, both got over paid and our team is better with both of them gone

    Felton>Lin for the Knicks and thats all the matters

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    Originally Posted by metrocard

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    Who's better for this team?

    Felton

    why

    1. Our players trust him
    2. Our coach trusts him
    3. He's cheaper and even more productive
    4. He doesn't come with the side-show, not Lin's fault but still
    5. He can go left and handle pressure

    Now Lin is a better defender but really thats it, Felton has better rapport with Chandler, Carmelo, Earl, STAT, Novak, Shumpert...etc than Lin did who really only looked for Fields with consistency

    We got their buddy-buddy asses out of New York, both got over paid and our team is better with both of them gone

    Felton>Lin for the Knicks and thats all the matters

    The only players that seem to have issue with Lin is Melo and Smith......Shocker there.......I do not think Lin did anything on his own to warrent that ........For Melo and Smith that was just jealousy as silly as that is....

    Our coach trusts him ?????? Come on why would Woodson not trust Lin.......That falls in line with the Melo/Smith comment......Woodson was all for bringing LIn back but we all agree the money was not worth it....

    Kidd would have been a perfect mentor for LIn....and I am sure between Tyson and Kidd Lin would have been just fine.

    All and all Knicks did the best move they could with their dollars and landed Felton......Of course the other dollars on Rasheed and Camby seem to be a big waste and nobody is ever healthy....


    The question originated with who is better.....

    If you were starting an NBA franchise and had to take a PG as your first pick and it was between Lin and Felton...I would take LIN

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    Sheed isn't a big deal since his deal is only a year long.

    But signing Novak to a four-year deal for 4 million a year was stupid. Giving Felton a four-year deal was stupid. We gave Camby a three-year deal, and he's been hurt the entire time. With the money we gave Felton, Camby, and Novak, we could've easily afforded to have Jeremy Lin on this team, especially if you add in the hype. It just wasn't going to happen, though. I still think that giving Novak a four-year deal at four million a year to do nothing but hit wide-open 3-point shots was kind of stupid and probably the only really dumb move that Grunwald made...the others are at least understandable, even if they're not smart.

    Still though, Lin is definitely the better player right now, and will only get better with time. He has to share the backcourt with a PG who also brings up the ball so he's not even the main distributor on the team and he's still averaging a ton of assists. He's a much better defender, a more efficient scorer, and he gets to the free throw line. He's a comparable shooter as well...Felton's shooting is extremely streaky, while Lin on the other hand has shown many signs of improvement. He went from being a bad 3-point shooter to being an average 3-point shooter next year, and given the fact that Lin has a good work ethic, he'll probably do what David Lee did and find a way to improve a major skill every single year.

    Just like David Lee went from being a 57.7% free throw shooter who couldn't hit a mid-range shot to make his life to an 80% free throw shooter and one of the best mid-range big men in the game, Lin's probably going to be hitting 3-pointers at 40% by this time next season while cutting down on his TO's. Felton, on the other hand, is only going to regress.

    We made the mistake of thinking that last year was a down year for Felton and that he was going to bounce back. Instead, his numbers this year are basically identical to those from last year, which isn't really a good trend. It looks like last year wasn't a down year for Felton, he's just on the downside of his career and last year is just an example of what he's going to do every year from now on.

    Damn, that sucks ass, but we can't do anything about it now.

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    6.2 assist from your PG on a uptempo team that is 2nd highest scoring team in the league...that's garbage! Felton gets almost as many in a half court slower pace squad
    This is a great point.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    This is a great point.
    No, it's not, because it fails to mention that Jeremy Lin isn't the only one who brings the ball up for the Rockets! FFS James Harden has 5.7 assists on that team because he's also a playmaker! If Jeremy Lin were the sole playmaker on the team then he'd obviously be averaging much higher, but that's not the case since he has to share the backcourt with Harden!

    The Knicks on the other hand only have one playmaker on the team since Kidd plays SG nowadays and doesn't usually bring the ball up the court anymore. Lin is making the best out of a bad situation - he's on a team with a ball-dominant Swingman in James Harden as opposed to having an offense centered around him. Instead of being a PG he's primarily a spot-up shooter who camps on the wing since Harden does a lot of the ball-handling and playmaking. The fact that he averages 6.2 assists is miraculous since he's pretty much playing as a SG

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    u miss Mario Chalmers James harden Mota Ellis and its jrue not drue .

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    hard to say. If you mean best for the team/organization I'll say Felton. One on one is the only way to know who is better. As of now, I think Lin may have that edge because of his athletism, but felton might be able to exploit Lin's handle and make it hard for Lin to find his spot. I think if Felton slim down a bit, he'll improve his speed and all around game. Still, I've seen more Felton than I've seen of Lin, he had an extremely rare breakout season last year that saved his carrear, Perhaps Felton will have the same one day if he commits himself fully to the game.

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    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    No, it's not, because it fails to mention that Jeremy Lin isn't the only one who brings the ball up for the Rockets!
    What does that say about his coaches confidence in him? It's safe to say Chris Paul would handle the ball more if he were a Rocket!

    And to the point of the Thread so would Felton!!!!

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