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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    Can someone tell me is there is any logic to having James White Start ?
    I mean he plays 4 minutes of each half only so what is Woodsons thinking ?????

    Woodson took Priglioni spot-minutes and gave them to White so Jason Kidd could enter the game during the 2nd Quarter to build us a 14 point lead by Halftime .. Jason Kidd gets BIG-Props for taking over the 2nd Quarter!
    Everyone stepped up this game EXCEPT ......

    Felton's two-assist in 31 minutes, and
    JR 18 shots for 13 points without getting to the foul line once .. plus taking 14 3-ball shots

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    we needed defense and Woodson doesnt have
    Shump in??? takes out chandler??? im getting tired of woodson ****!!.. Novak shouldnt EVERRR!!!!!!!play against the miami heat... kmart or copeland should have had novaks minutes

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Woodson took Priglioni spot-minutes and gave them to White so Jason Kidd could enter the game during the 2nd Quarter to build us a 14 point lead by Halftime .. Jason Kidd gets BIG-Props for taking over the 2nd Quarter!
    Everyone stepped up this game EXCEPT ......

    Felton's two-assist in 31 minutes, and
    JR 18 shots for 13 points without getting to the foul line once .. plus taking 14 3-ball shots

    I suppose I am missing the logic.........Why start White if the truth is you have no faith in him and he will never see past the 4 minutes of the first and 3rd quarters........Is there someone who can serve us better ....
    I do not think there is another NBA team who uses a guy solely to start a game in the first and 3rd quarter and then never enter back into the game and better yet when he does not start he see zero playing time.

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    I do not understand Woodson's starting line-ups and in game player rotations. As someone already noted, we certainly have enough proof that Novak is useless agianst Miami. Why did he get so much time? Prigioni has had two DNPs Coach's Decision. Felton had 2 assists and although he had two nice drives at the end, I do not like him playing hero-ball. We must et the ball to Melo, even if he is eing guarded by Le Bron. JR might as well have handed the ball to LeBron on at least two occasions -- the last one a killer. But we do need JR. At least he is capable of getting off a shot.

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    And STAT can't handle more than 20 minutes? Really? Shouldn't we be working him towards 28-30 minutes a night so he and the team are comfortable with that in the playoffs? Or are we seriously using STAT in a less than 6th man role from now on? :S

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    I think STAT should be getting more minutes

    But anyway, why are you guys so upset? I didn't expect the current Knicks to beat the Heat..99-93 isn't a blowout

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    Originally Posted by smokes
    And STAT can't handle more than 20 minutes? Really? Shouldn't we be working him towards 28-30 minutes a night so he and the team are comfortable with that in the playoffs? Or are we seriously using STAT in a less than 6th man role from now on? :S
    Well, the rumor has it Amare is on the verge of demanding a bigger role/more PT.

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    This was a very exciting game not only bc the Heat won (on my side) but the back and forth baskets was just really good.

    Anyways,
    Im looking at the boxscore and many of you guys asked how did yall lose and I see that jr took 14 3s and made 3 and shot 5-18 overall. Then to add insult to injury the bone head pass right in the hands of lebron for the dunk that iced the game. You guys could have cut the lead and made it a realllllllll close ball game. He just has to be more versatile. He had a sequence when he shot a pull on the break.....bricked it...then got raped by Lebron at the basket. Jr is one of my fav Knicks. He needs to be better than that. Srsly
    On a good note, he had 12 rebounds. More than the girly Bosh
    Shumpert just isnt himself and I really feel for the kid. More time he needs and patience.
    Felton is just ehhhhh. I really dont know if the pinky injury can make him look so bad on defense. He's not playing well and thats hurting you guys too. He doesnt even bring the ball up that much anymore. Whats up with that?
    Amare had some nice glimpses but is still a body on defense and only had 2 boards.

    Coming into the game I knew what Melo was gonna bring. He brings it every time. But does anyone else have a issue with him only having 3 ast and 2 rebounds? He carried the team almost the whole game and by time the 4th quarter crunch time is here, he's worn down.

    Issues still persist with the knicks. Living and dying by the 3 ball is a tricky game. And i cant believe Miami beat yall in the rebounding battle. 41-40 isnt much but should it even have been tht close on the boards?

    March is a tough month for you guys. I dont see ATL passing yall and I hope yall get above Indy for the 2 seed tho.

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    Originally Posted by smokes
    And STAT can't handle more than 20 minutes? Really? Shouldn't we be working him towards 28-30 minutes a night so he and the team are comfortable with that in the playoffs? Or are we seriously using STAT in a less than 6th man role from now on? :S
    Yeah Im lost on this one. I thought he should be goin on 30 minutes by now or damn near. This whole month should be used for him playing extended minutes esp if hes going to be a big part in the Knicks post season success.

    sidenote, what was up with James White starting? I really did not understand that move.

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    Originally Posted by REALHEAT
    Yeah Im lost on this one. I thought he should be goin on 30 minutes by now or damn near. This whole month should be used for him playing extended minutes esp if hes going to be a big part in the Knicks post season success.

    sidenote, what was up with James White starting? I really did not understand that move.
    James "flight" White started to be "athletic" against CrybabyBron....Instead he was an "epic fail" like his debacle dunk contest picking up 3 quick fouls in five minutes....I don't want hear anymore "we need more than Melo-Iso" and "Melo needs to share the ball more...." Question of the day: Share the ball with WHO???? JR with a very game 7 John Starks like performance???? Or Novak who needs to "double-check" his own jumper like in the three point contest??? Even our 20 million $$$$$ man STAT barely got to double figures and rode the BENCH down the stretch because he is a liability on the defensive end. If MELO gets half those shots JR bricks up we win by 10!!!! Better to lose with the ball in the hands of your best player!!!! Outside of MELO/KIDD nobody else showed up and on a side note: LEbron is a bigger crybaby/FLOPPER than Reggie Miller EVER was....He cries all game to the officials, then CLIMBS Chandler for a no-call block, crucial 4 point swing....Bring a pacifier to the court when playing with Crybaby Bron I can't stand the dude for being so talented but a SPOILED CRYBABY when he doesn't get his way

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    I suppose I am missing the logic.........Why start White if the truth is you have no faith in him and he will never see past the 4 minutes of the first and 3rd quarters........Is there someone who can serve us better ....
    I do not think there is another NBA team who uses a guy solely to start a game in the first and 3rd quarter and then never enter back into the game and better yet when he does not start he see zero playing time.

    There were some logic in starting White ..
    1) Lebron & D.Wade average 20+ plus points from the foul-line per game.
    2) White's role was to defend and pickup early fouls (Brewers role in our two 20 point wins).
    3) The Heat outscored us in the first qtr. by 1 point (23-22), because Woody's philosophy has been all season to bring NO-DEFENSE JR.smith into the game with 8 minutes remaining in the first qtr., which was way to early to take White out, while we owned a 4 to 5 point lead while White was on the court.
    4) White & Shump tandem defense were an unexpected team-defense than Lebron & Wade were prepared for, our tandem were always back on defense providing STOPS.
    5) Plus assistant coach Jason Kidd wanted to come off the bench with Stat to add fire in the 2nd qtr., and not be taken out of the game 4 minutes into the first qtr. to be replace by JR.

    The last time Detroit won the Championship they started C-Cambell for 6 minutes throughout the regular-season, and thats all the playingtime C-Cambell receive, the first 6 minutes of the game. A strategic-strategy.

    Did u notice the Miami Heat had NO-Answer to stop Stat from scoring inside, after Stat got his shot block?
    But we would rather have JR.smith shoot 5-18 and not go to the foul line, rather than Stat shooting 5-7 plus two trips to the foul line.
    And to all the Novak-haters, get it right 85% of all Melo, JR, and Felton shots are from the peremeter.
    Right now Ray Allan is averaging 7 to 9 shots per game as the Heats peremeter shooter .. Novak is our peremeter shooter averaging 3 to 4 shots per game, think Woodson-Woodson-Woodson for not forcing players to set up plays in certain places for a catch n shoot Novak, like we did for Allan Houston.
    Last edited by Kiyaman; Mar 04, 2013 at 09:37.

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    Originally Posted by Ghostowl
    I think STAT should be getting more minutes

    But anyway, why are you guys so upset? I didn't expect the current Knicks to beat the Heat..99-93 isn't a blowout
    When you're up by 16 at the half it's worse than a blowout.

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    I liked the way we played in the 1st half from an effort standpoint. The ball was moving nicely and aside from a few questionable 3s, it was good. I knew that 14 point lead wasn't going to last because MIA is just too good right now. HOWEVER, it didn't help that the knicks came out in the 3rd quarted living from the perimeter and launching 3s when they should have been trying to get easier baskets near or inside the paint. When MIA was making their comback, all I wanted was for Woodson to make it a priority to keep pressuring them with drives to the basket. Novak for whatever reason keeps seeing playing time against this team when it has been proven that he's just not effective. Kidd played great but once again too many 3s for my taste.

    JR Smith was his usual low basketball IQ self. He's high risk / high reward as we all know but when he took that contested 3 when were only down 2, I knew that was the game. During that point, both teams were trying to keep or break ahead on a 2 point lead. The temperature of the game called for well executed shots, or at least shots to be taken by your finisher. This is something JR didn't understand and it cost us the chance to win the game. On the other end, the Heat were very disciplined and knew who they wanted to finish the game with when it mattered. I'm still a JR fan but he can't be the robin to Melo's batman. He just doesn't have the IQ to thrive in a close game that requires execution.

    Woodson is making a big mistake with Amare. You have a talented guy whose efficient and apparently feeling great and you use him like a role player??? His confidence is extremely high right now and you have to allow him to become Amare again. He made some nice defensive plays yesterday and even though his rebounding was weak, he's still our best low post threat. On the other hand, JR was able to shoot whenever he wanted without consequence. The fact that Camby or Martin didn't see any minutes for defensive purposes is also weird. Kidd shouldn't be playing more minutes than Amare nor Shump.

    The game was very winnable but this just proves that we aren't there yet. Also, Woodson is showing a lot of weakness in his coaching ability to get players to understand situations, possessions, and time management. Woodson said in the post game interview that JR needs to have better shot selection. REALLY?? Where was that talk DURING the game when he was on his way to 14 3 pt attempts???

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    I liked the way we played in the 1st half from an effort standpoint. The ball was moving nicely and aside from a few questionable 3s, it was good. I knew that 14 point lead wasn't going to last because MIA is just too good right now. HOWEVER, it didn't help that the knicks came out in the 3rd quarted living from the perimeter and launching 3s when they should have been trying to get easier baskets near or inside the paint. When MIA was making their comback, all I wanted was for Woodson to make it a priority to keep pressuring them with drives to the basket. Novak for whatever reason keeps seeing playing time against this team when it has been proven that he's just not effective. Kidd played great but once again too many 3s for my taste.

    JR Smith was his usual low basketball IQ self. He's high risk / high reward as we all know but when he took that contested 3 when were only down 2, I knew that was the game. During that point, both teams were trying to keep or break ahead on a 2 point lead. The temperature of the game called for well executed shots, or at least shots to be taken by your finisher. This is something JR didn't understand and it cost us the chance to win the game. On the other end, the Heat were very disciplined and knew who they wanted to finish the game with when it mattered. I'm still a JR fan but he can't be the robin to Melo's batman. He just doesn't have the IQ to thrive in a close game that requires execution.

    Woodson is making a big mistake with Amare. You have a talented guy whose efficient and apparently feeling great and you use him like a role player??? His confidence is extremely high right now and you have to allow him to become Amare again. He made some nice defensive plays yesterday and even though his rebounding was weak, he's still our best low post threat. On the other hand, JR was able to shoot whenever he wanted without consequence. The fact that Camby or Martin didn't see any minutes for defensive purposes is also weird. Kidd shouldn't be playing more minutes than Amare nor Shump.

    The game was very winnable but this just proves that we aren't there yet. Also, Woodson is showing a lot of weakness in his coaching ability to get players to understand situations, possessions, and time management. Woodson said in the post game interview that JR needs to have better shot selection. REALLY?? Where was that talk DURING the game when he was on his way to 14 3 pt attempts???


    Woodson is fool of crap ..........He talks out of both sides.....JR shouldnt take those shots is one side but then he leaves him in to continue to do so...........Woodson did this in the playoffs last year............
    Woodsons philsophy is maybe JR will get hot ....its like 5th grade bball coaching.....

    Kiya Thank you for the White explanation. Wish we has ronnie brewer for that role....

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    Originally Posted by Lercher
    At some point we were leading by 16 [or maybe even more] and what happened? Melo folded once Spo put LeBron on him, Woody took Chandler out of the game while we were in desperate need of defensive stops and then JR took over and started chucking as expected... well done coach Woodson, well done!

    That lazy crosscourt pass from JR sealed the deal. Kidd fouled Lebron, refs didn't think it was a break away and I have never seen Lebron so demonstative when talkign to the refs, believing he should have gotten the breakaway call. Refs were correct in the assessment, Lebron never had possession, even though, he would have thrown it down without the foul....probably league will have rework the wording on that rule. But that woke Lebron up, the guy was on a different planet after that. we didn't make any adjustments that worked when they worked on Melo. I thought Kidd got too much burn in the 2nd half, what he came in with 6 left in the 3rd and had no time off. I think they could have interchanged him and Amare at least a few minutes down the stretch. Our offense died for what a 3 minute stretch late, Amare would have helped. Also with Kidd's quick hot streak, Woodson, left him in too long, there was no Felton until his last 2 driving lay ups. Like I said Kidd needed to see the bench with about 8 left in the 4th....leaving a return with 4 minutes left a possibility, allow Felton to run the offense.

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