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    Originally Posted by nixon7
    I would think about keeping JR Smith (we have the early Bird rights). I would keep our #1 draft pick. My draft board is Myck Kabongo, Gorgui Dieng, Steven Adams, Shane Larkin (in that order). One of these should be available in the mid-20s, as a backup PG or backup center. I really love Patric Young, but he is staying in school, and Dieng or Adams probably have more offensive upside. I would consider a trade to get another draft pick this year, in addition. Ideally, you fill both the backup PG and backup center positions with draft picks, if possible from the first round. I would definitely like to add Patric Young in the 2014 draft (I see him as a defensive PF in the Anthony Mason mold). I would also try to re-sign Copeland, I really like him. Re-signing Kenyon Martin would also be good, assuming he is not offered a large contract by someone else.
    If we get Dieng, we would be very lucky. He's only been playing basketball for 4 years.

    Consider he already averages double digit points and is a great defensive player and rebounder; he would be a steal for us and a great successor for Chandler. He's 6"11 I believe.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    If we get Dieng, we would be very lucky. He's only been playing basketball for 4 years.

    Consider he already averages double digit points and is a great defensive player and rebounder; he would be a steal for us and a great successor for Chandler. He's 6"11 I believe.
    A bit of luck would be required to score Dieng, but he is ranked 24 on the ESPN big board so it is at least possible.

    Steven Adams is more probable, not the shot blocker or offensive player that Dieng is. Jeff Withey is also possible, good offensively and blocks shots, rebounding is not great but improved every year. Lucas Nogueira is also possible, although he would be better to acquire as a 2nd round pick.

    Dieng is clearly the best option among the bigs for the Knicks because he has upside on the offensive end but is still a monster on the defensive end. We could also end up quite happy with Withey or Adams.

    I really like Kabongo at the PG because of his low turnovers and high IQ/vision/leadership. I like him more (for the Knicks) than some PGs with better stats because of this. Unfortunately, Kabongo may stay in school, although the Knicks should keep him in mind for the 2014 draft, along with Patric Young.

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    Originally Posted by nixon7
    A bit of luck would be required to score Dieng, but he is ranked 24 on the ESPN big board so it is at least possible.

    Steven Adams is more probable, not the shot blocker or offensive player that Dieng is. Jeff Withey is also possible, good offensively and blocks shots, rebounding is not great but improved every year. Lucas Nogueira is also possible, although he would be better to acquire as a 2nd round pick.

    Dieng is clearly the best option among the bigs for the Knicks because he has upside on the offensive end but is still a monster on the defensive end. We could also end up quite happy with Withey or Adams.

    I really like Kabongo at the PG because of his low turnovers and high IQ/vision/leadership. I like him more (for the Knicks) than some PGs with better stats because of this. Unfortunately, Kabongo may stay in school, although the Knicks should keep him in mind for the 2014 draft, along with Patric Young.
    Could we trade Felton for a first round pick?

    I would go with Kabongo and Deng and let them develop under Prigioni/Kidd/Martin/Wallace

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    Of all these bigs how agile/mobile are they meaning how good would they be if they had to come out on the perimeter to guard someone defensively and do they have any form of outside shot. The system the knicks runs requires a guy like Tyson or K-Mart to be able to go to the high post to set up the offensive horns play. To elaborate the knicks system as it is currently set up would be better served by a pau gasol type player (minus the softness of course) than a Dwight type player (once again minus the softness. Also I wonder will they bring up Sims who has averaged 14/9 in the D League.

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    Originally Posted by Wargames
    Of all these bigs how agile/mobile are they meaning how good would they be if they had to come out on the perimeter to guard someone defensively and do they have any form of outside shot. The system the knicks runs requires a guy like Tyson or K-Mart to be able to go to the high post to set up the offensive horns play. To elaborate the knicks system as it is currently set up would be better served by a pau gasol type player (minus the softness of course) than a Dwight type player (once again minus the softness. Also I wonder will they bring up Sims who has averaged 14/9 in the D League.
    14/9 in the D-League is pretty low production.

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    As far as the bigs, what I am looking for is toughness, as in Anthony Mason, Charles Oakley, and Kenyon Martin. The Knicks do not need more of the same role players they already have. They need toughness, shot blocking, and rebounding. All the bigs I mentioned fit that bill, first and foremost.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    14/9 in the D-League is pretty low production.
    Your right but he's had some really good games so I expect him to get another summer league look

    Originally Posted by nixon7
    As far as the bigs, what I am looking for is toughness, as in Anthony Mason, Charles Oakley, and Kenyon Martin. The Knicks do not need more of the same role players they already have. They need toughness, shot blocking, and rebounding. All the bigs I mentioned fit that bill, first and foremost.
    They might but a lot of teams need that I don't think any of the decent centers fall all the way down to 24. This is going to be a center heavy draft but there is only about 8 good center with potential that look like they can contribute anytime soon.

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    Originally Posted by Wargames
    They might but a lot of teams need that I don't think any of the decent centers fall all the way down to 24. This is going to be a center heavy draft but there is only about 8 good center with potential that look like they can contribute anytime soon.
    I am going by the ESPN draft big board. According to that, Withey, Dieng, and Adams are 6, 7, and 8 on the center rankings and 23, 24, and 28 on the overall rankings. The Knicks would currently pick 24th (25th if they pass the Clippers) so I think that there is a good chance to at least score Adams, if Withey and Dieng are gone. In any case, I would fill the PG with Kabongo if he is available first. It is possible that he will go back to school and that all three of my target centers are also gone, in which case I probably go with Shane Larkin, or the best player available at any position otherwise.

    I suppose that a trade up or trade to score an additional pick is also possible, but not clearly needed at this point. I would hesitate to trade anyone currently signed for next year for a draft pick unless it were a lottery pick. Getting another pick below #20 for a current proven player is not a clear win, although I can see the argument for Camby or Kidd for a pick in the #14 to #25 range, but this is more compelling to me only if it meant a clear upgrade in both the backup PG and backup center positions.

    Trading their pick and either Camby or Kidd for a lottery pick I can also see. I would not trade Felton or any of the other guaranteed contracts for less than a top ten pick. Even in the top five there have been plenty of draft busts, and below five there have been some jewels (Paul Pierce, etc.) but it really starts to get hit or miss.

    If the Knicks fail to make it to at least game 6 of the second round playoffs this year, then I might reconsider this position.

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    Originally Posted by nixon7
    I am going by the ESPN draft big board. According to that, Withey, Dieng, and Adams are 6, 7, and 8 on the center rankings and 23, 24, and 28 on the overall rankings. The Knicks would currently pick 24th (25th if they pass the Clippers) so I think that there is a good chance to at least score Adams, if Withey and Dieng are gone. In any case, I would fill the PG with Kabongo if he is available first. It is possible that he will go back to school and that all three of my target centers are also gone, in which case I probably go with Shane Larkin, or the best player available at any position otherwise.

    I suppose that a trade up or trade to score an additional pick is also possible, but not clearly needed at this point. I would hesitate to trade anyone currently signed for next year for a draft pick unless it were a lottery pick. Getting another pick below #20 for a current proven player is not a clear win, although I can see the argument for Camby or Kidd for a pick in the #14 to #25 range, but this is more compelling to me only if it meant a clear upgrade in both the backup PG and backup center positions.

    Trading their pick and either Camby or Kidd for a lottery pick I can also see. I would not trade Felton or any of the other guaranteed contracts for less than a top ten pick. Even in the top five there have been plenty of draft busts, and below five there have been some jewels (Paul Pierce, etc.) but it really starts to get hit or miss.

    If the Knicks fail to make it to at least game 6 of the second round playoffs this year, then I might reconsider this position.
    Great post. Love the knowledge and expertise you bring to KOL.

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    God damn Aussies and Kiwis are excelling in bball talent. Smokes, what you guys eating over there? lol
    Lol this guys father had 18 children and their average height (men and women) is like 6 foot 9 inches.

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    2013 DRAFT UPDATE
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    Myck Kabongo is definitely in the draft now (he was undeclared as of the previous posts). I think he should be #1 on our draft board. However, he is rated at #41 on the ESPN big board, so we should also consider trading for a second pick in the 25-35 range, to possibly acquire both Kabongo and a big (see below).

    Patric Young is going back to school.

    Gorgui Dieng has moved up on the ESPN big board (from 24 to 17) so he is probably out of reach for us, unless we trade up.

    Jeff Withey, Isaiah Austin, Steven Adams, and James Michael McAdoo are bigs in the #24-#28 range. Isaiah Austin may be the most intriguing of these from a skill level (elite defender, with offensive game) but he is a bit of a bean pole who lacks toughness and an inside game. Jeff Withey is more of a traditional backup center, Steven Adams is a banger with no offensive skills, and McAdoo is a very good all-around backup big.

    Shane Larkin is rated higher than Kabongo at PG, but I do not like him as much for the Knicks. He is smaller, is more of a scorer, and less of a floor general.

    Do we have the guts to pick Kabongo at #24, passing on the bigs above? Maybe not. So a trade to get two picks under #35 might make sense. To come out with Austin and Kabango would be a great draft for us.

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