Not just Francis and Kidd, but BILLUPS. I mean the guy wasnt even on the radar until post-season last year. I didnt even know his name until I bought NBA Live 2004. And Wade. Dwayne Wade is one of the best and he's just in his second year; but his ball-handling, playmaking skills aren't even up to All-Star point guard standards. And his 3-pointers aren't very consistent. I think for PG Marbury should be holding the #1 spot, and for overall guards in the East he should be holding #3 spot, behind Iverson and James.