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    Nyk Logo Plea to the Knicks: Trade Novak

    FG% .414
    1.8 Three Point Makes
    4.3 Three Point Attempts
    6.6 pts/gm

    Weíre paying a guy 4 million dollars who has no impact on the game whatsoever. His value comes in the form of 3pt makes and heís only giving us about 2 of those a game and that number gets even smaller in the postseason. Iím just not sure why we need to keep a guy on the bench who can only do one thing; and that one thing can be mitigated by just staying in front of him. Game 2 was a perfect example of how his value is nullified too easily to justify his salary. Sometime in the 3rd quarter with a double digit lead, Woodson decides to play Novak. This quickly leads to a Celtics 6-0 run and Novak is immediately replaced. Keep in mind that the shots were made by Crawford, who was being loosely guarded by NOVAK!

    I just donít see why the FO canít put Novak on the trading block and see what offers we get. I mean we donít need his two 3s per game to be good. Hell, heís really only effective against the crappy teams anyway. Iíd be just fine replacing him with a 35% 3 point shooter and tough defender with slashing ability. Heís also the reason why JR Smith will want at least 6-7 mil as a base salary next season. Iím sure we can deal with a team loaded with PGs SF or PFs.

    For those of you who adore Novak, I employ you to think about our real needs. A stand still sometimes knock down shooter isnít one of them. Sure, in a Dantoni system heís fine but this version of the Knicks have gone back to their roots and are defensive minded. The Celtics donít even use Courtney Lee. Iíd trade Novak for him in a second!

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    indeed he is just task man playing no D catching stupid fouls but he can be still needed.

    I think he need just to be coached no one simply care for him as he plays just garbage minutes

    but he still can shoot ft's which are most important part of even games.

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    I have to agree with you. He is a terrible defender, and now that i think of it i would say he's one of the worst defenders i've ever seen. He's only effective when they run plays for him (which woody didn't do at all this year). I wouldn't mind dumping him and picking someone up who actually can guard other players.

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    Other than shooting 3's, he can also stretch the floor.

    Thats about it, I have nothing else nice to say about him LOL

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    My momma always said if you got nothing good to say about someone then don't say anything so

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    FG% .414
    1.8 Three Point Makes
    4.3 Three Point Attempts
    6.6 pts/gm

    We’re paying a guy 4 million dollars who has no impact on the game whatsoever. His value comes in the form of 3pt makes and he’s only giving us about 2 of those a game and that number gets even smaller in the postseason. I’m just not sure why we need to keep a guy on the bench who can only do one thing; and that one thing can be mitigated by just staying in front of him. Game 2 was a perfect example of how his value is nullified too easily to justify his salary. Sometime in the 3rd quarter with a double digit lead, Woodson decides to play Novak. This quickly leads to a Celtics 6-0 run and Novak is immediately replaced. Keep in mind that the shots were made by Crawford, who was being loosely guarded by NOVAK!

    I just don’t see why the FO can’t put Novak on the trading block and see what offers we get. I mean we don’t need his two 3s per game to be good. Hell, he’s really only effective against the crappy teams anyway. I’d be just fine replacing him with a 35% 3 point shooter and tough defender with slashing ability. He’s also the reason why JR Smith will want at least 6-7 mil as a base salary next season. I’m sure we can deal with a team loaded with PGs SF or PFs.

    For those of you who adore Novak, I employ you to think about our real needs. A stand still sometimes knock down shooter isn’t one of them. Sure, in a Dantoni system he’s fine but this version of the Knicks have gone back to their roots and are defensive minded. The Celtics don’t even use Courtney Lee. I’d trade Novak for him in a second!

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    Lol

    I know his poor showing last night provided the impetus for this.

    You already know my stance on this:

    Rule #1 if you can't guard your man at minimum you don't play. I don't care if you can go 100 for 100 from half court.

    You see everyone forgets their playoff mentality until Apr - Jun. Then the magnifying glass comes out, and now people see what I was saying (because I'm always in playoff mode)- and just as you said he comes in and we go down 6. Not the end of the world but 6 points in the playoffs mind as well be 12. That's how important every possession is.

    He's useless; it's like 5 on 4 with him in. The sad thing is after noticing this last year you'd think he could improve by now.

    keep up the real talk.

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    Novak is typical regular season guy. Come play off time and he is invisible.

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    Originally Posted by LeFlume
    Novak is typical regular season guy. Come play off time and he is invisible.
    Yeah. The Knicks might trade him but realistically his game and that contract makes him a perfect piece to add onto a bigger deal as a way to match salaries. I like Novak but who knows maybe we do it just to try to pay JR more. Maybe we keep him because he does open games up during the regular season and usually
    Is really helpful for drawing out a defender for tiger pick and roll. I leave it up to grunnie to decide. One thing you got to realize.

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    I woulda loved that Brewer/Novak for Metta Ron Peace deal that some of u were talking about earlier in the season.

    Peace would give maxed out physicality, Id love to see him playing at the 4 for us

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    I don't understand how he gets a second of time on that floor during the playoffs. Cope should get all his minutes

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    This is the postseason, Woody suppose to know his players strength & weakness
    Novak is useless in a ISO offense, and man to man defense

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    Well Boston are good at running you off the 3pt line and guarding Crawford with Novak is a joke so just taking that specific example I'd disagree. Game was in hand, sure we took a timeout and adjusted and put the brakes on them but we were never in a position to lose that game.

    I'm sure Novak would have his uses as the playoffs continue. I just dunno who we could get for Novak that would be as useful as him. He spreads the floor, keeps his defender honest and when he plays PF he keeps his man out of the paint and frees up the lane.

    I don't really expect a whole lot more from the 10th/11th guy on the roster.

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    AGREED! most playoff teams play good D, that's how they got there.
    nullifying Novakaine's 3-pt shooting makes him useless.
    trade him, free up some dough and sign JR next year.

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    Originally Posted by CoolClyde
    AGREED! most playoff teams play good D, that's how they got there.
    nullifying Novakaine's 3-pt shooting makes him useless.
    trade him, free up some dough and sign JR next year.

    Lets see how JR finishes the playoffs before we look to sign him.....remember not about regular season its about crunch time and what happens....his silly elbow, partying the night before the game and his inability to hustle back in game 5 is what got us to a 6 game series with the celtics.....which in turn lead to Melo having his shoulder hurt by KG

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    Originally Posted by smokes
    Well Boston are good at running you off the 3pt line and guarding Crawford with Novak is a joke so just taking that specific example I'd disagree. Game was in hand, sure we took a timeout and adjusted and put the brakes on them but we were never in a position to lose that game.

    I'm sure Novak would have his uses as the playoffs continue. I just dunno who we could get for Novak that would be as useful as him. He spreads the floor, keeps his defender honest and when he plays PF he keeps his man out of the paint and frees up the lane.

    I don't really expect a whole lot more from the 10th/11th guy on the roster.

    Good point .. we are not playing Novak to his best talents, which is providing Novak with a decent pick/screen to go around for a catch n shoot play (this was the design-play for so many famous peremeter shooters before and after the 3-point line was put in the NBA). When we do this play 3 to 5 times per game with Novak, oponents will put their 2nd best defender on Novak during a series, which would stop the double-teams on Melo, or JR, or Felton's slashing.

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