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    I agree if Novakaine doesn't have the best 3pt % year in and year out he's a liability.

    Last year he was numero uno, this year 10th which doesn't make up for his lack of D, specialist role and limited minutes.

    Every team needs a 3 pt specialist but the Knicks overpaid for one with that contract of his.
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    Novak has done nothing this year.

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    Originally Posted by Kidd Karma
    This is more on coaching than Novak. Now with every possession valued as gold, do you set up a play for Novak or allow your 1 and 2 options to fire it up when open. That's the question Woodson is answering. Novak is a specialist at this point, nothing more. The guy can blow open a game with 3 3's, but he can also shoot you out of a game, miss the 3, then his man scores on a drive and a and one. During Dallas' run, there was one game where Peja shot the lights out, I think it was against LA, and he could not miss, it became contagious....that was what one game out of 21 total playoff games for Dallas.


    There are times when we need a 3-ball shot with design-screen-plays during a time-out that has less than 8 seconds on the shot-clock .. these are plays that a contender team have written-up for their top 3-ball shooter (Novak), not their star scorers .. everytime we are in this type of situation we just get the ball in Melo's hand, if Melo's not available JR's hands, where Melo & JR always want to dribble around a pick ........

    I watch Golden State coach Mark Jackson write-up 8 different 3-ball design plays where Stephen Curry came around screens to catch n shoot to score a career high 54 points shooting 11-13 3-ball shots in MSG.
    Woodson has not run a moving without the ball double-screens for Novak to go around for a catch n shoot once since becoming the Knicks headcoach.
    We all should remember the double-screens Tyson/Jefferies/ or Fields would set for Novak during the Linsanity era.

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    Keep him. He spreads the floor.

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    Originally Posted by Knicks32
    Keep him. He spreads the floor.
    So does Copeland, but Chris actually plays defense and knows how to drive to the basket.

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    Originally Posted by LeFlume
    Novak is typical regular season guy. Come play off time and he is invisible.
    Yeah. The Knicks might trade him but realistically his game and that contract makes him a perfect piece to add onto a bigger deal as a way to match salaries. I like Novak but who knows maybe we do it just to try to pay JR more. Maybe we keep him because he does open games up during the regular season and usually
    Is really helpful for drawing out a defender for tiger pick and roll. I leave it up to grunnie to decide. One thing you got to realize.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    FG% .414
    1.8 Three Point Makes
    4.3 Three Point Attempts
    6.6 pts/gm

    We’re paying a guy 4 million dollars who has no impact on the game whatsoever. His value comes in the form of 3pt makes and he’s only giving us about 2 of those a game and that number gets even smaller in the postseason. I’m just not sure why we need to keep a guy on the bench who can only do one thing; and that one thing can be mitigated by just staying in front of him. Game 2 was a perfect example of how his value is nullified too easily to justify his salary. Sometime in the 3rd quarter with a double digit lead, Woodson decides to play Novak. This quickly leads to a Celtics 6-0 run and Novak is immediately replaced. Keep in mind that the shots were made by Crawford, who was being loosely guarded by NOVAK!

    I just don’t see why the FO can’t put Novak on the trading block and see what offers we get. I mean we don’t need his two 3s per game to be good. Hell, he’s really only effective against the crappy teams anyway. I’d be just fine replacing him with a 35% 3 point shooter and tough defender with slashing ability. He’s also the reason why JR Smith will want at least 6-7 mil as a base salary next season. I’m sure we can deal with a team loaded with PGs SF or PFs.

    For those of you who adore Novak, I employ you to think about our real needs. A stand still sometimes knock down shooter isn’t one of them. Sure, in a Dantoni system he’s fine but this version of the Knicks have gone back to their roots and are defensive minded. The Celtics don’t even use Courtney Lee. I’d trade Novak for him in a second!

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    Huge understandable error hiring but not the $ which was rediculous. By the way Camby got some huge money...and he sucks healthy.
    Novak is no RAY ALLEN....but the thought was he would spread the floor and also prevent double teams was the thinking. Why 4 million dollars is a whole other story???????????. Novak can't get his shot off even during the the regular season in many games much less at crunch time or during the playoffs. Add to that he's as SOFT as soft can be on defense. So we now know Novak also is not set up by his teamates...few double screens designed by WOODSON and he can't create off the dribble. He just should be a role player getting 25% of that salary and playing in garbage time or 12 min max per game against under .500% teams. No team will take NOVAK and his CONTRACT. If he were less likeable I would just have said Novak SUCKS.

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    We gotta find a way to get rid of Amare, Novak, and Camby this summer. That's like 30 mill in salaries we can use to sign CP3 and a starting 4

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    Hahahah. I'm not disagreeing with anyone's points here. But I must say its hysterical that only a Knicks fan would create a plea to trade a player thread amidst a first round playoff series against a rival we are up 2-0 on.

    Again I agree w all points.

    Just had to say it.

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    Its so funny I have to post also. I think Melo should wear orange laces instead of blue ones.......

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    Originally Posted by DontForgetDerekHarper
    Hahahah. I'm not disagreeing with anyone's points here. But I must say its hysterical that only a Knicks fan would create a plea to trade a player thread amidst a first round playoff series against a rival we are up 2-0 on.

    Again I agree w all points.

    Just had to say it.

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    I can only speak for myself and I have on the issue of NOVAK. Having said that I am addressing why this came up NOW. 1. We were not 2 games up when Novak entered game 2, Knicks up 12 only to see his crappy DEFENSE lead to Crawford scoring 3 straight baskets on the the TWIG Novak who was immediately seated by Woodson with me and most Knick fans saying he's earned his way out of the rotation at playoff time. 2. Not only do I see every Knick game I review the video's as well. Tell me about a clutch basket in crunch time this season by Novak. Do you know how many games he put up between a GOOSE EGG and 3 points. Put your phone to rest unless you want to defend keeping Novak and his 4 million dollar contract from the point of view of a knowledge fan. I have footage of him running off the court of defense, going through the hand up MATADOR defense the no foot work "softtee" is famous for as he watches his opponent score. Alas, I never do agree with many of your POSTS but I could not let this one go..DERICK. So send me back a nasty response just to show me your basketball illiteracy or NOT. Glad to know know you are what the proto typical KNICK fan should be.

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    why u want CP3 only that he is very close friend to MELO ? look @ game 3 clippers grizzlies and check his stats 5 Tos just 8 pts 4 fouls 0-2 3pt


    i will trade STAT WHITE COPELAND for Curry much more talented.

    Knicks already gave up alot for MELO biggest loos was Wilson.Wilson once shot 31 to help beat heat once @ msg with laundry Folds Douglas

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    Originally Posted by DrB
    I can only speak for myself and I have on the issue of NOVAK. Having said that I am addressing why this came up NOW. 1. We were not 2 games up when Novak entered game 2, Knicks up 12 only to see his crappy DEFENSE lead to Crawford scoring 3 straight baskets on the the TWIG Novak who was immediately seated by Woodson with me and most Knick fans saying he's earned his way out of the rotation at playoff time. 2. Not only do I see every Knick game I review the video's as well. Tell me about a clutch basket in crunch time this season by Novak. Do you know how many games he put up between a GOOSE EGG and 3 points. Put your phone to rest unless you want to defend keeping Novak and his 4 million dollar contract from the point of view of a knowledge fan. I have footage of him running off the court of defense, going through the hand up MATADOR defense the no foot work "softtee" is famous for as he watches his opponent score. Alas, I never do agree with many of your POSTS but I could not let this one go..DERICK. So send me back a nasty response just to show me your basketball illiteracy or NOT. Glad to know know you are what the proto typical KNICK fan should be.
    Dude. What are you even talking about. I didn't disgree with your post at all weirdo. Are you okay. If you need to talk let me know. All I said was its funny. Only a Knicks fan would create a posT like this. And that I agree with everything you said. Lol. This is hysterical. I was simply stating how passionate Knicks fans are that up 3-0 we still find something to knit pick. You know damn well no one in Miami is discussing trade mike miller in forums lol. You gotta relax dude. Go outside and hit a tree with a bat or.something I don't care. Just relaxx

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    Originally Posted by bigapple
    why u want CP3 only that he is very close friend to MELO ? look @ game 3 clippers grizzlies and check his stats 5 Tos just 8 pts 4 fouls 0-2 3pt
    wow, youre insane. how could any team not want Chris Paul. your opions and pathetic English hurt my head

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    I've always felt this way baout Novak. I just finally had the time to make a thread about him. The playoffs were used as an example because that was the most up to date info to reference. Truthfully, you could reference most games he plays and find a reason why he shouldbe traded for a two way player.

    My biggest point was that two 3s per game just isn't enough to justify his salary and putrid defense. He doesn't really add value other than spreading the floor, but does that really make a big difference since we don't even have a post game? Copeland shows that he can score from the 3 all the way to the paint but still can't surpass Novak on the depth chart. Mind boggling.

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