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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    Great points. I think Melo ultimately means well but he just doesn't see the big picture. His cure-for-all is just to score. I personally think he has a low basketball IQ. YOu should be able to properly adjust your game by the 3rd quarter if you're really in tune with the game. The help defense closed in hard on Melo's drives but not once did he decide to use that opportunity to create shots for someone else. I also blame this on Woodson. Hibbert constantly left TC open to help on drives to the basket.
    Yeah but any pass below the waist, this dude has butter-fingers. The team except for Felton don't have confidence in dumping it off to him.

    Melo's IQ is not an issue. He's a Gold Medalist, NCAA Champ, and perennial all-star. We win as a team and lose as a team. And in a team players have roles and responsibilities; Melo is a primary scorer and he actually did drive the rock. The pacers killed us on the boards because we don't rebound; because we're used to being jumpshot and tap-out happy. This was the culmination to what happens with our style, going cold, and being denied inside.

    The answer is simple because it's mostly offensive, yet elusive. Either we:

    1. calm down and hit our jumpers consistently (we lost the 2nd and 4th qtrs on Sun).

    2. TC wakes up and invigorates the P&R game.

    3. We get hungry, adapt to a tough inside game, start rebounding, and grind-it-out.

    or we lose.

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    Dude you just dont get it.
    How was Melo's surroundings in Denver ?

    We all agree Melo is a great scorer.........
    is he a Great Defender ? is the answer no because he is not capable OR no because some games he just doesnt put all the effort in ???

    U BTW are 100% right,,,,in ISO play I want Melo...
    Melo and any team he is on will NEVER win with ISO play......I wish you could see that...

    are u watching the Heat game ...Lebron is mic'ed up....First words.....: just keep the ball moving keep it moving "

    safe bet Melo have never uttered those words.
    They lost. Nate was isolated to win the game.

    The point should be primarily...

    GET MELO GOING

    EVERYTHING works from there. Fundamentals.

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    If anyone thinks "ISO-ball" is why we lost game 1 you have no understanding of the game of basketball

    Melo not only had the highest +/- but when he went out in the 3rd quarter the Pacers lead shot up to 16 points

    Melo had 1/3 of our rebounds, got no help on the glass, we had no help side defense and sucked in transition

    but if you guys wanna blame iso-ball then go ahead, hope it makes you feel better

    because Miami the best ball moving team in the league just lost, guess it was because of iso-ball too

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    Originally Posted by Red
    They lost. Nate was isolated to win the game. The point should be primarily...GET MELO GOINGEVERYTHING works from there. Fundamentals.
    Nate got it great being on a 48 minute ball-movement team .... The Bulls great ball-movement from small & bigs beat Miami in Miami .. Derek Rose have to bow to this Bulls team .. Noah got his teammates playing like winning playoff-teammates

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    If anyone thinks "ISO-ball" is why we lost game 1 you have no understanding of the game of basketball

    Melo not only had the highest +/- but when he went out in the 3rd quarter the Pacers lead shot up to 16 points

    Melo had 1/3 of our rebounds, got no help on the glass, we had no help side defense and sucked in transition

    but if you guys wanna blame iso-ball then go ahead, hope it makes you feel better

    because Miami the best ball moving team in the league just lost, guess it was because of iso-ball too
    this....

    And if memory serves me correct this was not the first time we played iso-ball. I believe the last scoring champ from Ny was primarily iso ball. The King would carry the team literally on his back to win games. Georgetown's favorite man P Ewing played iso ball as Mark Jackson would do nothing but feed Patrick and watch him work. Iso-ball works when you have a prolific scorer and we have that guy. We are also blessed with some good role players who unfortunately did not show up on Sunday (TC, JR). Once they wake up we will forget this conversation and this thread. And ohh let's not forget the hidden gem which will be STAT when he returns on Saturday. This is going to be good my friends... real good!

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    If anyone thinks "ISO-ball" is why we lost game 1 you have no understanding of the game of basketball

    Melo not only had the highest +/- but when he went out in the 3rd quarter the Pacers lead shot up to 16 points

    Melo had 1/3 of our rebounds, got no help on the glass, we had no help side defense and sucked in transition

    but if you guys wanna blame iso-ball then go ahead, hope it makes you feel better

    because Miami the best ball moving team in the league just lost, guess it was because of iso-ball too
    This...+1 agreed and repped; and the ironic part of your post IS: Miami did lose because of.....Iso-ball...Chicago ran gasp....iso plays to Krytonate down the stretch who in turn got to the rack and led all scorers with 27, while Miami "shared the ball" and Wade and Co. Shot enough bricks to build the third pigs house....lesson: the TEAM has to knockdown shots or even the"MVP" will lose. I bet Crybaby is more "selfish" in game 2
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    Originally Posted by KnickfanaticinGA
    this....

    And if memory serves me correct this was not the first time we played iso-ball. I believe the last scoring champ from Ny was primarily iso ball. The King would carry the team literally on his back to win games. Georgetown's favorite man P Ewing played iso ball as Mark Jackson would do nothing but feed Patrick and watch him work. Iso-ball works when you have a prolific scorer and we have that guy. We are also blessed with some good role players who unfortunately did not show up on Sunday (TC, JR). Once they wake up we will forget this conversation and this thread. And ohh let's not forget the hidden gem which will be STAT when he returns on Saturday. This is going to be good my friends... real good!
    Someone who remembers "the good old days" repped

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    If anyone thinks "ISO-ball" is why we lost game 1 you have no understanding of the game of basketballMelo not only had the highest +/- but when he went out in the 3rd quarter the Pacers lead shot up to 16 pointsMelo had 1/3 of our rebounds, got no help on the glass, we had no help side defense and sucked in transitionbut if you guys wanna blame iso-ball then go ahead, hope it makes you feel betterbecause Miami the best ball moving team in the league just lost, guess it was because of iso-ball too
    uh thats the same type of help Melo always get from his teammates in the playoff .... Melo's 82 games of iso-ball has a strange effect of taking Melo's teammates out of the playoff games .. the writing is on the wall .. 10 seasons with this being his 2nd time winning in the first-round. When Melo sat on the bench JR went ISO, thats how the Pacers lead went up to 16 We dont have any structure design plays on offense b/c of Melo & JR ISO, wanting the 1st or 2nd touch on every offensive-possession, Melo dont screen or pick for any of his teammates, plus Melo & JR shot-attempts total to 65% of the team shot attempts. Remember the NBA dont count the shot-attempt when fouled, and the only good-thang about Melo is he live on the foul line. When u mention Melo's poor defensive-effort it seems like every announcer response is Melo is injured or covering from a injury. Carmelo Anthony is just a BIG NAME product in the NBA. Some peeps dont understand Melo's stats in the 7 postseason games .. 40 min, 6 rbd, 1 ast, 1 stl, 3 TO, 3 fouls, shooting 37% I would expect better stats then that from White, Copeland, and Novak in the playoff per 40 min

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    uh thats the same type of help Melo always get from his teammates in the playoff .... Melo's 82 games of iso-ball has a strange effect of taking Melo's teammates out of the playoff games .. the writing is on the wall .. 10 seasons with this being his 2nd time winning in the first-round. When Melo sat on the bench JR went ISO, thats how the Pacers lead went up to 16 We dont have any structure design plays on offense b/c of Melo & JR ISO, wanting the 1st or 2nd touch on every offensive-possession, Melo dont screen or pick for any of his teammates, plus Melo & JR shot-attempts total to 65% of the team shot attempts. Remember the NBA dont count the shot-attempt when fouled, and the only good-thang about Melo is he live on the foul line. When u mention Melo's poor defensive-effort it seems like every announcer response is Melo is injured or covering from a injury. Carmelo Anthony is just a BIG NAME product in the NBA. Some peeps dont understand Melo's stats in the 7 postseason games .. 40 min, 6 rbd, 1 ast, 1 stl, 3 TO, 3 fouls, shooting 37% I would expect better stats then that from White, Copeland, and Novak in the playoff per 40 min


    EXACTLY!! Bottom line is this is how the sixers played with AI,this is how the cavs played with James,this is how Denver played with Melo,this is how the knicks are playing now with melo and smith.Add all of that together and you have ZERO championships. Teams cannot win titles playing that way and that's a fact!!

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    Originally Posted by rady
    Welcome to KO, buddy! What problems did you have with your account? I usually approve all registrations that are not duplicated within just 2-3 days
    It just continued to tell me that my account was not approved

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    Originally Posted by KnickfanaticinGA
    this....And if memory serves me correct this was not the first time we played iso-ball. I believe the last scoring champ from Ny was primarily iso ball. The King would carry the team literally on his back to win games. Georgetown's favorite man P Ewing played iso ball as Mark Jackson would do nothing but feed Patrick and watch him work. Iso-ball works when you have a prolific scorer and we have that guy. We are also blessed with some good role players who unfortunately did not show up on Sunday (TC, JR). Once they wake up we will forget this conversation and this thread. And ohh let's not forget the hidden gem which will be STAT when he returns on Saturday. This is going to be good my friends... real good!
    u dont play ISO-Ball in the 1st qtr. u dont have your top scorer (Melo) doing all the scoring in the 1st qtr. u want ur top scorer (Melo) doing the majority of his scoring in the 2nd half of the game. There aint any FFing awards for being the highest-scorer in the playoffs .. I just gave u the reason why Melo got swept in the first-round 8 times. Back then the Knicks played ISO ball in the 4th qtr. especially in crunchtime games .. thats when u play Iso-ball.Bill Cartwright average 21-12 each season alongside of 50 point Bernard King .. no ISO Mark Jackson average 10 assists as a Knicks, Ewing were a back to the basket scorer, dont get Ewing later years mix with his early years. Back then Gerald Wilkins & Starks were the only Knicks that favored playin ISO-Ball, then came Marbury. hold-ball dribble-dribble then shoot.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    uh thats the same type of help Melo always get from his teammates in the playoff .... Melo's 82 games of iso-ball has a strange effect of taking Melo's teammates out of the playoff games .. the writing is on the wall .. 10 seasons with this being his 2nd time winning in the first-round. When Melo sat on the bench JR went ISO, thats how the Pacers lead went up to 16 We dont have any structure design plays on offense b/c of Melo & JR ISO, wanting the 1st or 2nd touch on every offensive-possession, Melo dont screen or pick for any of his teammates, plus Melo & JR shot-attempts total to 65% of the team shot attempts. Remember the NBA dont count the shot-attempt when fouled, and the only good-thang about Melo is he live on the foul line. When u mention Melo's poor defensive-effort it seems like every announcer response is Melo is injured or covering from a injury. Carmelo Anthony is just a BIG NAME product in the NBA. Some peeps dont understand Melo's stats in the 7 postseason games .. 40 min, 6 rbd, 1 ast, 1 stl, 3 TO, 3 fouls, shooting 37% I would expect better stats then that from White, Copeland, and Novak in the playoff per 40 min
    Kiya what about our defense, rebounding and flat our effort

    ball movement had nothing to do with this loss, at all, we actually moved the ball pretty well but Indiana really locked up on our guys in the 2nd half so we have to go to Melo

    We all know you hate Melo and thats fine but this is a Knick issue not a Melo issue and we play nothing like the Sixers in 2001

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    Kiya what about our defense, rebounding and flat our effortball movement had nothing to do with this loss, at all, we actually moved the ball pretty well but Indiana really locked up on our guys in the 2nd half so we have to go to MeloWe all know you hate Melo and thats fine but this is a Knick issue not a Melo issue and we play nothing like the Sixers in 2001
    None of our players have Melo's back in winning any more games .... our players may win one or two when Camby & Amare gets some playingtime in the playoffs. We all know HOF Jason Kidd's game after 18 seasons in the NBA .... Kidd average 10 assist his first 15 seasons from team-ball & ball-movement. Every team Kidd was on average 20 points or more from fastbreak baskets .. this Knicks team cant complete a fastbreak basket .. we average 4 points per game on fastbreak baskets .. we are clueless on running an uptempo transition off of a steal by Pablo or Shump .. we havnt thrown a lob-pass downcourt this season unless it was to Melo or JR .... do u want more? Melo & JR dont run back on offense or defense .. how do u think Melo & JR teammates feel about them? dont be suprise about the Indiana series being a dublicate of last year series with Miami 1-4 .... Kidd probably get every Knicks player involve in the offense during practice throwing alleyoop dunk passes and give n go passes .. but in a game Kidd just throw the ball to Melo everytime on offense .. Kidd dont throw any alleyoops to Tyson, Martin, JR, or Shump.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    None of our players have Melo's back in winning any more games .... our players may win one or two when Camby & Amare gets some playingtime in the playoffs. We all know HOF Jason Kidd's game after 18 seasons in the NBA .... Kidd average 10 assist his first 15 seasons from team-ball & ball-movement. Every team Kidd was on average 20 points or more from fastbreak baskets .. this Knicks team cant complete a fastbreak basket .. we average 4 points per game on fastbreak baskets .. we are clueless on running an uptempo transition off of a steal by Pablo or Shump .. we havnt thrown a lob-pass downcourt this season unless it was to Melo or JR .... do u want more? Melo & JR dont run back on offense or defense .. how do u think Melo & JR teammates feel about them? dont be suprise about the Indiana series being a dublicate of last year series with Miami 1-4 .... Kidd probably get every Knicks player involve in the offense during practice throwing alleyoop dunk passes and give n go passes .. but in a game Kidd just throw the ball to Melo everytime on offense .. Kidd dont throw any alleyoops to Tyson, Martin, JR, or Shump.
    never mind dude, I dont even know why I try

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    never mind dude, I dont even know why I try

    Do you not realize the consequence of Melo/JR Iso Ball....

    . We are so predictable.
    We do not wear the defense down.
    . Melo/JR put so much energy into scoring we lose their best effort on defense....remember these are 40 and 36 minute players.....we need them 100% on the defensive end.

    There is no doubt at the end of the game you want the Ball in Melo's hand BUT only if we have spent the first 3 quarters wearing down the defense and wearing down Melo with all this ISO ball.......

    When you look back at a few games this season Melo was just unbelievable.............Look back on the boards and you would hear " Melo was a Beast on the boards " and " If Melo plays Defense like that he is the MVP " this is stuff Melo needs to do every night....
    Now the question for you guys is why does Melo not do it ????? Or JR ???

    My answer is that when you spend too much time of each shot clock playing ISO ball it wears down 1 defender only and at the same time totally wear down the ISO Player. You have seen time and time again Melo and JR not sprinting back and you need to say either they do not care or they are just wiped.....has to be something....

    Last night Noah sprinted back on every possession.....Is it too much to ask Melo and JR to do the same ?
    Last night you saw Nate breakdown an exhausted Miami team at the end.....Do you think they got exhausted by the Bulls playing ISO ? or better they were exhausted from the bulls ball movement and tough defense...

    **** Big Chief .......look at the Bulls scorers.......please do not tell me Melo has nobody to pass too.....This is the NBA ...find an open man for an easy shot.............*********

    I 100% want the ball in Melos hands at the end....after we have played 3 quarters of moving the ball and wearing down our opponent both on the offensive end with ball movement and on the defensive end with pure hustle and never allowing an open shot......

    Its so simple.........Dont be so sensitive Melo......I at least agree he is a super ball player........

    Could anyone imagine Melo or JR playing in Chicago under Their coach...........

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