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    Originally Posted by Red
    Saying we need to move the ball is like telling a hockey player we have to skate; it's like telling a cyclist he has to pedal; it's like telling a driver he has to steer. DUH! I mean after an analysis this is what people are coming up with? Really?



    In their support, meaning those fans that watch the game and those who've actually played, they haven't had a Melo since forever. They got use to a team of B players overachieving and before that a big-man star in Ewing where the true scoring bigs have been phased out.

    They don't know what a Melo is supposed to do nor a team with him. To them it's either iso or ball movement, both extreme. It's about balance and exploiting match-ups. So forgive them.. for they know not what they say.

    Melo he gutted it out through a serious injury. He's a warrior and that's what you want. We got another warrior trying to make it back off the shelf too, with time to heal up. I'm bout to order some hyperbaric chambers!

    Melo is the only legit shot we got at a chip. Period.

    Ask the Nuggets and Clippers.
    Thanks for the reminder Red(repped). I forget there is a whole generation of Knicks fans that don't remember the great teams of the 90's.

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    Melo played well today the difference was we ran a lot of sets and pick n rolls.

    The game flowed better we got sparks from Shumpert and Prigioni along with Carmelo playing at a high level

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    Melo indicated after the game w Rachel that he understands how he needs to play. He referenced needing to "do other things", and how getting his teammates shots and going early "opens things up" for his offense. He gets it, just a matter of him doing it consistently.

    JR sure stunk it up bad tnite.

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    The main adjustment I saw that Melo and JR made in the second half was that they stopped taking outside shots and actually drove in and got free throws. In game one they kept making those shots and we gave away too many possessions without getting a good chance to score. Scoring inside the paint causes the other team to play softer defense. It makes them worry about foul trouble and it gives us extra scoring opportunities with free throws. Melo seemed to get back in his shooting groove while JR still seemed to be cold but the biggest difference was that they actually drove in to the paint to score rather than rely on that outside shot.

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    Melo played well today the difference was we ran a lot of sets and pick n rolls.

    The game flowed better we got sparks from Shumpert and Prigioni along with Carmelo playing at a high level
    Well and that's the point. Shump and Prigs got involved offensively taking some of the Heat off Melo. And a 30-2 run damn like Woody always says it starts on the defensive end get stops!!!!!

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    Well and that's the point. Shump and Prigs got involved offensively taking some of the Heat off Melo. And a 30-2 run damn like Woody always says it starts on the defensive end get stops!!!!!

    Now what to do with JR.........at some point Woody will have to decide since his 3 for 15 is hurting the Knicks in most games....Safe bet JR and lets hope is locked in the gym until Saturday.........This big break is a blessing for the Knicks and Melo's shoulder.....

    Nice to hear after the game Melo saying He needs to do the other things and get his teammates more involved.....

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    Originally Posted by NewYork
    The main adjustment I saw that Melo and JR made in the second half was that they stopped taking outside shots and actually drove in and got free throws. In game one they kept making those shots and we gave away too many possessions without getting a good chance to score. Scoring inside the paint causes the other team to play softer defense. It makes them worry about foul trouble and it gives us extra scoring opportunities with free throws. Melo seemed to get back in his shooting groove while JR still seemed to be cold but the biggest difference was that they actually drove in to the paint to score rather than rely on that outside shot.
    If the shots don't drop, drive the rock.

    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    Well and that's the point. Shump and Prigs got involved offensively taking some of the Heat off Melo. And a 30-2 run damn like Woody always says it starts on the defensive end get stops!!!!!
    The "2" being the more relevant stat. Offense gets the glory, Defense wins the game. I wish people would understand, it's not about Melo and ball movement... it's about defense!

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    Originally Posted by Red
    If the shots don't drop, drive the rock.



    The "2" being the more relevant stat. Offense gets the glory, Defense wins the game. I wish people would understand, it's not about Melo and ball movement... it's about defense!

    Red that is correct.....
    When u have 2 players playing ISO and not hitting those players defensive efforts goes down the drain. The other players fall out of rythym and thats what leads to the Knicks disaster...

    Everyone involved in the offense makes everyone involved in the defense......

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    Well and that's the point. Shump and Prigs got involved offensively taking some of the Heat off Melo. And a 30-2 run damn like Woody always says it starts on the defensive end get stops!!!!!

    We played winning playoff basketball in game-2 of the Indiana series .. every Knicks player that got on the court put in a strong-effort on the defensive-end when they finally notice our super-star Carmelo Anthony consistently putting in a strong defensive-effort from the start of tip-off (something very rare in Melo's performance).
    Plus Melo did something else unusual by letting his teammates do the majority of scoring in the first-half of the game, which pump-up players to have a winning attitude on both sides of the court in the 2nd-half of the game.
    Melo did the right thang and took over the scoring in the 2nd-half of the game like a real super-star.
    Great Knick WIN!!!

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    Originally Posted by Red
    The "2" being the more relevant stat. Offense gets the glory, Defense wins the game. I wish people would understand, it's not about Melo and ball movement... it's about defense!
    It's all about Melo .. the way Melo BALL-HOG all season taking all the glory for each win, and only letting his ex-teammate side-kick JR get a little glory .... com'on we got "Old-Heads" on this Knicks roster who knows the out-come of selfish ball-hoggin stars .. especially when the playoff arrive.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    It's all about Melo .. the way Melo BALL-HOG all season taking all the glory for each win, and only letting his ex-teammate side-kick JR get a little glory .... com'on we got "Old-Heads" on this Knicks roster who knows the out-come of selfish ball-hoggin stars .. especially when the playoff arrive.
    Actually any credit given to melo is the fault of fans and media and not him taking all the credit.... I'm still wondering if u cheer when we win and score because if so then you're cheering for MELO a majority of the time... U need a new team, if ur gonna just hate on the teams best player. He isn't going anywhere and the,system isn't either so get over it

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    Now what to do with JR.........at some point Woody will have to decide since his 3 for 15 is hurting the Knicks in most games....Safe bet JR and lets hope is locked in the gym until Saturday.........This big break is a blessing for the Knicks and Melo's shoulder.....

    Nice to hear after the game Melo saying He needs to do the other things and get his teammates more involved.....
    That's why I'm not worried; 6th man of the Year and our second leading scorer goes 3-15 and we still win by 20. JR needs to go back to what he was doing during his hot streak: go to the rack instead of settling for jumpers. Get to the rack, get to the line and he will find his outside touch.

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    Originally Posted by knicksince 93
    Actually any credit given to melo is the fault of fans and media and not him taking all the credit.... I'm still wondering if u cheer when we win and score because if so then you're cheering for MELO a majority of the time... U need a new team, if ur gonna just hate on the teams best player. He isn't going anywhere and the,system isn't either so get over it

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    It's all about Melo .. the way Melo BALL-HOG all season taking all the glory for each win, and only letting his ex-teammate side-kick JR get a little glory .... com'on we got "Old-Heads" on this Knicks roster who knows the out-come of selfish ball-hoggin stars .. especially when the playoff arrive.
    let it go Kiya, your agenda has ran its course

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    1. Ball movement to get the scorers good looks and get them going + bouts of iso-ball to keep the defense guessing.
    2. Defense.
    3. Defense.

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