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    Default Hoping to lure JR back to NY by signing his brother Chris?

    Apparently, we haven't heard the end of Chris Smith with the Knicks.

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    Anyone see this? Hey, it's creative at least, I'll give 'em that. Question is -- is it worth it? They know that they'll only be able to offer JR a certain number (what is it -- only a little over $5M a yr/4 yrs max or something, right?) and I guess this is something the Knicks hope, along with playing in NY and for a coach he likes, placates him & convinces him to stay. Is it worth tying up salary and a roster spot in an inferior player that probably isn't NBA material, though?? And is bringing JR himself back even worth it anymore at this point?? Been stinkin' up the joint lately and we've heard twice now that he's been out late the night before playoff games boozin' it up.

    Can't help but wonder if we'd be better off re-tooling the SG position with much cheaper alternatives -- i.e. bargin bin types like Jermaine Taylor/Jamelle Horne/Scotty Hopson/Derrick Byars/Chris Douglas-Roberts through FA; Reggie Bullock or Carrick Felix late in the draft with a 2nd round pick we could hopefully acquire; maybe picking up a guy like Dwayne Davis outta Southern Miss. or Durand Scott outta Miami if they go undrafted and inviting them to SL/training camp (both guys just excelled at Portsmouth), etc...

    What do you guys think of this move with Chris Smith and is JR even worth it anymore? Discuss..
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    I probably shouldn't be talking about this right now since we're in the middle of the playoffs but I have a strange feeling the Knicks are going to pull some strings to get Chris Paul. If you look at the salaries on Hoops Hype its obvious that the Knicks are trying to get under the 74 Million dollar threshold to be able to do sign and trades. In order to get to that point, the Knicks need to let JR (approx. 3M$) go. JR has a lot of talent but he can be very inconsistent and unreliable. I don't think he has the desire or dedication to win the championship personally. I doubt JR is going to take that 3 Million player option and he will probably get offered much higher by a different team. Honestly, It's hard to imagine how it will all play out because a couple of the guys on the Knicks payroll are at the brink of retirement so the Knicks might let some guys go and resign JR to either keep or use as a bargaining chip. I think the Knicks will try to get Chris Paul this year or next year depending on what happens this offseason and once the Knicks have the main pieces (in this theoretical scenario), CP3, Melo, Stat, Tyson (Maybe), and Shump, we can add other cheaper pieces. If we keep Tyson, Chris Paul will have to accept less than a max deal this first year (approx. 2-3 Million). The team we have is awesome and I'm content with it but it's just this hunch that doesn't seem to go away about Chris Paul. Personally, I believe we can win the championship this year with Amare coming back and if he is 100%. I'm obviously not an expert with all the stipulations in trading so I know whoever reads this will take what I've said with a grain of salt, hopefully. I think Raymond Felton fits this team real well but if we don't win the championship, I have a feeling major changes are going to place because that's the urgent goal of the Knicks.

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    Originally Posted by NewYork
    I probably shouldn't be talking about this right now since we're in the middle of the playoffs but I have a strange feeling the Knicks are going to pull some strings to get Chris Paul. If you look at the salaries on Hoops Hype its obvious that the Knicks are trying to get under the 74 Million dollar threshold to be able to do sign and trades. In order to get to that point, the Knicks need to let JR (approx. 3M$) go. JR has a lot of talent but he can be very inconsistent and unreliable. I don't think he has the desire or dedication to win the championship personally. I doubt JR is going to take that 3 Million player option and he will probably get offered much higher by a different team. Honestly, It's hard to imagine how it will all play out because a couple of the guys on the Knicks payroll are at the brink of retirement so the Knicks might let some guys go and resign JR to either keep or use as a bargaining chip. I think the Knicks will try to get Chris Paul this year or next year depending on what happens this offseason and once the Knicks have the main pieces (in this theoretical scenario), CP3, Melo, Stat, Tyson (Maybe), and Shump, we can add other cheaper pieces. If we keep Tyson, Chris Paul will have to accept less than a max deal this first year (approx. 2-3 Million). The team we have is awesome and I'm content with it but it's just this hunch that doesn't seem to go away about Chris Paul. Personally, I believe we can win the championship this year with Amare coming back and if he is 100%. I'm obviously not an expert with all the stipulations in trading so I know whoever reads this will take what I've said with a grain of salt, hopefully. I think Raymond Felton fits this team real well but if we don't win the championship, I have a feeling major changes are going to place because that's the urgent goal of the Knicks.
    JR is "SICK" for game 3. Tranlation..he's pissed at WOODSON for publiclly embarrassing him and the PRESS for VILIFYING him. He will test the FREE AGENCY but his value has been reduced. For him to quit on the KNICKS here will not stand him in good stead with the KNICKS and so say goodbye to JR.

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    Originally Posted by DrB
    JR is "SICK" for game 3. Tranlation..he's pissed at WOODSON for publiclly embarrassing him and the PRESS for VILIFYING him. He will test the FREE AGENCY but his value has been reduced. For him to quit on the KNICKS here will not stand him in good stead with the KNICKS and so say goodbye to JR.
    Really? I doubt that. JR is a grown man and Woody didn't seem to say those things with bad intentions. There is no reason to think JR is putting up an act like he's sick because of that. I think he really is sick and has a fever. I'd be surprised to think JR would do that, he deserves more respect than that.

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    Originally Posted by NewYork
    Really? I doubt that. JR is a grown man and Woody didn't seem to say those things with bad intentions. There is no reason to think JR is putting up an act like he's sick because of that. I think he really is sick and has a fever. I'd be surprised to think JR would do that, he deserves more respect than that.

    Dude your giving JR too much credit.....Woodsons remarks is not what JR wants to hear.....He could not even deal with the negative tweets he gets from Knicks fans and usually answers in a childish way.......If his minutes are reduced he will be a total pain in the ass....

    With that said I do not believe he would fake an illness to protest playing in a game....I do think if he is at all sick he will not step up to play in fear another crappy game will put him in the doghouse with less minutes,,,,,,

    JR for the price the Knicks pay ( 3 times the amount of Nate Robinson ) is what makes sense for JR.......
    Next year 4-5 per at best......anything more let him go he is a royal pain in the ass.

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    Dude your giving JR too much credit.....Woodsons remarks is not what JR wants to hear.....He could not even deal with the negative tweets he gets from Knicks fans and usually answers in a childish way.......If his minutes are reduced he will be a total pain in the ass....

    With that said I do not believe he would fake an illness to protest playing in a game....I do think if he is at all sick he will not step up to play in fear another crappy game will put him in the doghouse with less minutes,,,,,,

    JR for the price the Knicks pay ( 3 times the amount of Nate Robinson ) is what makes sense for JR.......
    Next year 4-5 per at best......anything more let him go he is a royal pain in the ass.
    For what JR brings to the table, he definitely deserves more than what he gets paid. He'll probably opt out of the contract for a little more than what you said we should bring him back for, IMO. And about JR copping out, I'm just saying this is the playoffs. This is what every basketball player dreamt of growing up. It just doesn't make any sense to me that anyone would throw a fit on the biggest stage of the game and a time as important as this. I definitely agree with you that he wouldn't play tonight to the detriment of the team. I also think he should take the night off if he can't contribute to the team because of his illness.
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    Chris Paul would only be wanting to come to NY because of Melo so trading Melo is out of the picture too. So Tyson is the only person I see we can trade to be under the cap but I don't see that happening either. Personally, I feel we are going to be releasing the older players or trading them off. Once we have CP3, we might sign up the cheaper players like Copeland, Prigioni, etc.There are so many possibilities. Chris Paul might have to settle for something like 16 Million the first year instead of 19 Million. (I think its only the first year?) If Chris Paul REALLY wants to come to NY, and NY REALLY wants CP3 here, then it'll happen.
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    Originally Posted by NewYork
    Chris Paul would only be wanting to come to NY because of Melo so trading Melo is out of the picture too. So Tyson is the only person I see we can trade to be under the cap but I don't see that happening either. Personally, I feel we are going to be releasing the older players or trading them off. Once we have CP3, we might sign up the cheaper players like Copeland, Prigioni, etc.There are so many possibilities. Chris Paul might have to settle for something like 16 Million the first year instead of 19 Million. (I think its only the first year?) If Chris Paul REALLY wants to come to NY, and NY REALLY wants CP3 here, then it'll happen.

    Lets see what JR does the rest of the payoffs before we bring him and his brother back or let him go....

    If we get no where this year and Indiana knocks us out the Knicks will need to revamp the team or settle for what we got.

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    Originally Posted by NewYork
    Chris Paul would only be wanting to come to NY because of Melo so trading Melo is out of the picture too. So Tyson is the only person I see we can trade to be under the cap but I don't see that happening either. Personally, I feel we are going to be releasing the older players or trading them off. Once we have CP3, we might sign up the cheaper players like Copeland, Prigioni, etc.There are so many possibilities. Chris Paul might have to settle for something like 16 Million the first year instead of 19 Million. (I think its only the first year?) If Chris Paul REALLY wants to come to NY, and NY REALLY wants CP3 here, then it'll happen.
    What the...?

    Ok so we're not trading Tyson, STAT or Melo for CP3. Who are we trading for CP3?

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    Originally Posted by smokes
    What the...?

    Ok so we're not trading Tyson, STAT or Melo for CP3. Who are we trading for CP3?
    Big Apple and KimJchief for C-paul

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    I don't see STAT going anywhere because of how injury prone he was these past couple of years. He has a 20+ Million dollar contract per year for the next few years and I doubt any other team would want any part of that.

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    Shump + CP3 = lots of steals.

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    My guess is if one of them had to go it would be Tyson but if none of those guys go, the combine salaries of Melo, Stat, Tyson, and Shump would be 59 Million dollars which leaves about 14.5 million dollars for Camby, Novak, Felton, and Kidd. Altogether, the combined salaries would add up to 73.5 million dollars, which would be under the 74 million dollar threshold if JR doesn't pickup the player option. Someone in another forum mentioned a CP3 + Deandre for Tyson, Shump, Camby, Novak, Felton, and Kidd but I don't see the Clippers doing that. Honestly I don't know the rules of the CBA enough to see what could happen. I'm just looking at the numbers and the contracts and it seems like the Knicks have been making major cap space for big changes. Hypothetically, would the Knicks be able to let some of the guys go in or to make enough cap space to bring in CP3? If that were the case we could bring in younger guys or players willing to take less money. If that were the case, the penalty for exceeding the 70 million dollar threshold would effect the Knicks as much.
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