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    Default The real reason the Knicks were instantly better within the last couple of years.

    When Stat came to New York, the Knicks instantly got better but they weren't a playoff caliber team and many sports writers point that out when talking about how great Melo is. Although Melo is a great championship caliber piece for offense in the Knicks, the biggest upgrade was Shumpert and Tyson Chandler and no one talks about those guys as much. Everyone forgets DEFENSE wins championships. Melo didn't single handedly make this team better. The year when Melo came to NY, A LOT of changes were made. We got Shump and Tyson Chandler that 2011-2012 season which improved our defense a lot. IMO those other two pieces were bigger than getting Melo because we already had STAT and Felton as offensive pieces. It turns out getting Melo was vital because STAT would be injured most of the time here but if STAT wasn't injured, and along with Raymond Felton, the Knicks would still have been one of the top teams in the NBA with the defensive pieces put into place. The only reason it wouldn't be a championship caliber team would be because of teams that have 2-3 all stars like Heat, Celtics, Spurs, Thunder. The only way we would be able to contend, now that we were instantly better defensively (because of Tyson Chandler and Shump), would be if we had consistent scoring which would mean an All-star scorer and a competent PG. We had STAT and Melo which means we had the scoring available but no PG to distribute and organize the offensive plays (we lost Felton in the Melo trade). A lot of emphasis is put on Melo for making this team better and rightly so because he put the team on his back and takes the blame along with the accolades but Stat is an awesome leader too and hes able to shoulder the same pressure Melo does, the biggest difference is Melo is able to stay healthy. But honestly Melo alone can't win the championship, I'm not putting him down but he wasn't able to do it alone in Denver. Simply put, its DEFENSE that wins championships and the biggest upgrade we had wasn't Melo since we already had STAT and Felton before for scoring, the biggest upgrade was actually Tyson Chandler for interior defense and Iman Shumpert for his all around defense. IMO we still wouldn't be able to beat the Heat without Melo though and that's where he's so important to the team. He's the factor that allows us match head to head against a top tier team like the Heat. However, we also need Amare. We need him to be back 100% because we need more interior presence for rebounding and points in the paint. Without any ONE of these guys we won't be able to contend against the heat in a playoff series. So when I hear people who say Stat isn't needed, I really do wonder if they think we could beat the Heat without STAT. Even offensively, Melo alone can't do it. Lebron can't even do it alone. As good as the Heat are, I believe the Knicks are a more balanced team. The only reason I see the Heat being a better team is because the main players (starters) have played together enough to gel. Our "starters" Melo, Stat, Felton, Shump, and Tyson hasn't been able play together enough to gel because of STAT'S injuries which is why Stat is a much better option to come off the bench at this point in time because they haven't figured how they would flow offensively and defensively together.
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    Originally Posted by NewYork
    When Stat came to New York, the Knicks instantly got better but they weren't a playoff caliber team and many sports writers point that out when talking about how great Melo is. Although Melo is a great championship caliber piece for offense in the Knicks, the biggest upgrade was Shumpert and Tyson Chandler and no one talks about those guys as much. Everyone forgets DEFENSE wins championships. Melo didn't single handedly make this team better. That year when Melo came to NY, A LOT of changes were made. We got Shump and Tyson Chandler that 2011-2012 season which improved our defense a lot. IMO those other two pieces were bigger than getting Melo because we already had STAT and Felton as an offensive pieces. It turns out getting Melo was vital because STAT would be injured most of the time here but if STAT wasn't injured, and along with Raymond Felton, the Knicks would still have been one of the top teams in the NBA. The only reason it wouldn't be a championship caliber team would be because of teams that have 2-3 all stars like Heat, Celtics, Spurs, Thunder. The only way we would be able to contend, now that we were instantly better defensively because of Tyson Chandler and Shump, would be if we had consistent scoring which would mean an All-star scorer and a competent PG. We had STAT and Melo which mean we had the scoring available but no PG to distribute and organize the offensive plays (we lost Felton in the Melo trade). A lot of emphasis is put on Melo for making this team better and rightly so because he put the team on his back and takes the blame along with the accolades but Stat is an awesome leader too and hes able to shoulder the same pressure Melo does, the biggest difference is Melo is able to stay healthy. But honestly Melo alone can't win the championship, I'm not putting him down but he wasn't able to do it alone in Denver. Simply put, its DEFENSE that wins championships and the biggest upgrade we had wasn't Melo since we already had STAT and Felton before for scoring, the biggest upgrade was actually Tyson Chandler for interior defense and Iman Shumpert for his all around defense. IMO we still wouldn't have been able to beat the Heat without Melo though and that's where he's so important to the team. He's the factor that allows us match head to head against a top tier team like the Heat. However, we also need Amare. We need him to be back 100% because we need more interior presence for rebounding and points in the paint. Without any ONE of these guys we won't be able to contend against the heat in a playoff series. So when I hear people who say Stat isn't needed, I really do wonder if they think we could beat the Heat without STAT. Even offensively, Melo alone can't do it. Lebron can't even do it alone. As good as the Heat are, I believe the Knicks are more balanced team. The only reason I see the Heat being a better team is because the main players (starters) have played together enough to gel. Our "starters" Melo, Stat, Felton, Shump, and Tyson hasn't been able play together enough to gel because of STAT'S injuries which is why Stat is a much better option to come off the bench at this point in time because they haven't figured how they would flow offensively and defensively together.
    great post

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    thanks. I know its pretty random but I've been watching these videos on youtube, not sure if anyone else has seen them but some of them are pretty funny, especially the chris bosh and LeBron ones. the titles are under "NBA UNCENSORED TRASH TALK"
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    Originally Posted by NewYork
    thanks. I know its pretty random but I've been watching these videos on youtube, not sure if anyone else has seen them but some of them are pretty funny, especially the chris bosh and LeBron ones. the titles are under "NBA UNCENSORED TRASH TALK"
    Great post NewYork, you're emerging as rookie of the year in 2013 thus far.

    NBA UNCENSORED is some good stuff.


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    By the way in respect to this thread...I believe Prigioni and Martin have been the core of this team's defense which leads to easy points on offense. When we play defense, we look a lot better an offense.

    Prigioni/Shumpert/Martin have been huge. along with Melo when he's on and Chandler when he plays more physical and with intensity...Chandler right now looks like he's trying not to get hurt.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Great post NewYork, you're emerging as rookie of the year in 2013 thus far.

    NBA UNCENSORED is some good stuff.

    thanks. LMAO. The last one in that video crackin me up. "Techinical foul. Excessive gayness... excessive gayness.."

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    Originally Posted by metrocard


    By the way in respect to this thread...I believe Prigioni and Martin have been the core of this team's defense which leads to easy points on offense. When we play defense, we look a lot better an offense.

    Prigioni/Shumpert/Martin have been huge. along with Melo when he's on and Chandler when he plays more physical and with intensity...Chandler right now looks like he's trying not to get hurt.
    Yeah definitely agree with those points, the amount of intensity and skills they bring to the Knicks is unbelievable considering how little in monetary value the knicks are spending on them. Prigioni was an awesome pickup, I can't believe no other teams looked into prigioni and that we picked up Kmart when we did considering we needed a big. The two biggest factors about amare I believe the Knicks need to work on is offensive flow between Melo and STAT and the defensive flow between Tyson and STAT.

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    If Felton finds a way to not only score himself but to facilitate the ball between Melo and Stat without taking anything away from them, it would be very hard to stop the Knicks offense. And defensively, if Stat and Chandler know how to space themselves for blocks and rebounds, they can be like the "twin towers" that David Robinson and Tim Duncan was back then, and with Shump too... man ... I know that's what everyone was hoping for in the beginning but lost hope as the injuries started taking place but hopefully its still something that can take place with more time.
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