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Thread: 2013 Playoffs - Round 2 Game 3 / Knicks @ Pacers - 05/11 8:00 pm

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    ^^^^^ Very Good post^^^^

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    Originally Posted by ThunderThighs
    NYK need hard assed, talented bigs and/or a playmaker from point who can control an offense to maximize potential.

    Unfortunate injuries robbed the frontcourt. Backcourt is a chronic problem with Woodson-Melo dynamic.

    Can win a chip around Melo, but must be built like recent Pistons championship team and be well-built from top to bottom around an identity. Unselfish, good/borderline-star players who play good (team) defense, and an offense focused THROUGH Melo but in control of itself so the offense isn't run BY Melo.

    JR is a poor guard, due to the fit and negative aspects of Melo + Woodson. NYK need a Klay Thompson-type 2-guard, and a veteran 1 who knows how to play team D, run an offense, and is mature enough to work with Melo.

    Melo's #1 issues of inefficiency and out of control games can be corrected, but not when you have a guard rotation like NYK (and a coach like Woodson).

    I blame James White lol

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    But as bad as I want to win the whole thing, I'm just glad we beat Boston....damn I hate that team

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    Sadly lazy philosophy by our coach leads to lazy players. Even against Rondoless Celtics how many games did we play balls out for 4 quarters...Game 3 and that was it. Also we're team that can be arrogant as fook. Think we're a team full of 'greats", noway the 'simple' hard hat Pacers can beat the 'all time great' 2012/2013 Knicks'.

    Good news is we tend to react well after a humbling, even ego maniacs like Woodson and Melo know NYC does not accept losers, NYC does not accept excuses...can save that ****e for City's with zero ambition. Team will put in a real shift tonight and should do enough offensively and on the glass to nick a victory.

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    Originally Posted by ThunderThighs
    At the Knicks best they ran a hybrid D'antoni offense. But it wasn't really, because there was still lots of iso/lack of ball movement by JR and Melo...

    Yes, when they were hitting 3's at a historic pace nobody complained, and the 3's gave it the appearance of MDA. (which is funny because the people who love Woodson/hate D'antoni, always talked of the 3 ball....yet, the Knicks surged in the first half of the season due to the 3 ball, and set records)

    Did you see Tyson's comments? "Good offenses let the flow of the game dictate it", not doggedly running it through a cookie cutter formula (aka what Woodson has mostly been about in his career; and what Melo has mostly been about in his career).

    This is why the current NYK team is so dangerously built -- to do self harm. Melo is talented enough that it masks the potentially fatal flaws of his game, and seduces fans into turning blind eyes because he has otherworldly talents.

    Note: Tyson Chandler's offense was better than it's ever been in his career, when Lin was guiding the offense and the team was playing team ball. It shouldn't surprise anyone that Chandler's offense has slacked/he's now frustrated.

    Can replace Chandler with Amare, too, for that matter....he's been neutered, as well.

    When Chandler said the game can only run through and by one man and one man alone....when they are "great great great great" players. He wasn't referring to Melo. He was referring to the Jordans and Lebrons, and they are few and far between.

    This is the danger in giving Melo that kind of clout. And why I picked beef with people comparing Melo to Durant, it's not even a matter of of it's true or not...just a slipper slope of making him more than he is and feeding into fatal flaws.
    Chandler needs to shut up, cut that Chiapet off his grill, and worry about Hibbert giving him the business real talk

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    I agree we should play bigger. We should have been doing this the whole season though. I don't know if we can just switch up now. Playing that way goes against what we've been doing all year.

    Frankly we've been running Mike D'antoni's offense, using his small ball philosophy, and we combined it with Woodie's defensive scrupples and it has gotten us this far.


    I doubt Woodson will make any major changes, but we will see.
    Great Post
    If Woodson dont make some major changes in Game-4 .. then Woodson is not a legit playoff head-coach.

    A legit Postseason head-coach should have various strategic-plans for the many different star-base players teams in a 7 game series:

    How do u defeat a Big-man team like: Gasol / Hibbert / Noah / Duncan / Tyson
    How do u defeat a top scorer-player team like: Melo / Durant / Lebron / Kobe / D.Wade / Curry
    How do u defeat an elite playmaker Team like: CP3 / D.Rose / Westbrook / Parker

    Will be continue in Game-4 Game-Thread ....

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