Agreed..... Woodson has created the most idealistic situation possible for JR and look how JR repays that by being an ass during playoff time........Maybe the guy cant help himself and maybe one day he will grow out of it but we need to develop players and JR will never enhance that...........
I would not waste 36 minutes a game on JR. Please nobody suggest he play less because if he does he will be a disgruntled player on the team and that will just make things worse....
For those who say we are better with him..please look at the Celtics and Pacers series and tell me how we were better ........
I don't get how people want to lose the 6th man of the year... I mean losing him is contingent on shump taking a MAJOR step next season and maybe signing nate to replace him. You take jr off our roster we don't win 50 games this year.
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winning 50 games and losing in the playoffs is not my aspiration..........
Hidden Gems ........Look at Copeland, Nate , Blair..........players are out there....
JR is a waste of time for this organization....we have Melo taking 28 shots we do not need JR doing the same...
it makes us very predictable and easy to defend.....
why in the world would u want a team where 2 players take over 50% of the shots....unless its durant and westbrook
During our 18-5 run Raymond Felton made himself our 2nd option on offense averaging 16.5 shots per game for 19 pts, 7 ast, 1 stl, and 1 turnover .. the best part of Felton being our 2nd option was Tyson Chandler were averaging 10 or more points per game. Recall Kidd & Brewer were starters with Felton during our 18-5 run when we were playing team-ball with ball-movement in every game (we were hitting the 3-ball because everyone was given a shot to shoot the 3-ball). What happen?
Originally Posted by skisloper
I think what laughabe is that you want to sign a player who was a no-show for the playoffs based on a multiple number of reasons i do not need to explain....
So you ar correct i do NOT think we will be a better regular season team without JR.
I do think we will be a better playoff team without JR.
With or without JR the chances of the Knicks getting by the Bulls, Heat or Pacers is not good.
I think Woodson bows down to JR. His 36 minutes of playing time despite what his game is like is ludicrous.
Now we can say thats on Woodson but if playing time goes down we will have a disgruntled JR who be a complete ass as a teammate....I mean look how crappy of a teamate he was in the playoffs with his committment.
I think its best the Knicks start creating some team play and start finding pieces that will work for Melo following next season......Give Copeland JR's minutes......Give Stat JR's minutes.......We have draft picks and Vet min....find guys that will give their heart and soul.....lets get team ball....JR is not that....
I 100% agree JR is as athlectic as they come but what I do not buy into is his selfish play on and off the court....I cannot watch another season of 36 minutes for JR whether his is 16 for 16 or 2 for 16 ..............its wrong and for sure not good for team morale...
so in the longrun I think Knicks are a better playoff team without JR
I also dont see any reason to resign JR.Smith, other than being the only Knicks teammate that will accept ISO-Melo ball-hogging for 4 quarters of the game.
JR.Smith action with a minute left in our 3rd winning-postseason game vs Boston 90-76, when JR elbow Terry's face for no reason when JR couldve dribble the clock out. That act put the icing on the cake on whether we resign JR.Smith in the offseason .... JR gets no-pass on that act.
Especially when Terry's outstanding performance receive the MVP for beating us in game-4 and game-5 of the series.
I liked JR rookie season, I dont know what JR did his 2nd season that pissed off his headcoach to bar him from the lockerroom when CP3 was a rookie, but when NO traded JR to the Chicago Bulls for Tyson Chandler, the Bulls also didnt allow JR in their lockerroom, and traded JR nine days later to the Denver Nuggets.
I was happy we sign JR lastseason, until JR got on the court to do nothing on defense, receiving 30 minutes his first game as a Knicks to be the 3rd or 4th player back on Lin's uptempo transition-offense to do what? stand in one-spot on the perimeter begging for the ball to dribble 5 feet to take a jumper!
In Denver, every defender new where JR & Melo would be when Iverson ran an uptempo transition play (on the perimeter).
So Jeremy Lin's uptempo transition plays we got used to became dead when Jr's & Melo's defenders were all over him, and the passing lane to Tyson Chandler. At one time Lin had everyone running back fast in his transition for an easy basket, when Novak's defender started doubling on Lin the ball went to Novak for a 3.
We were all o.k. with Jeremy Lin's 3 turnovers per game, when we added a 30 minute JR.Smith, and Melo came back from a groin injury to play 38 minutes per game, Lin's turnovers increased to 5 or 7 per game.
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For some reason I see GM Grunwald resigning JR .. how much? how long? is a mystery.
JR's type of performance makes him a starter, not a finisher next season .. if JR's hot early in the game ok let him finish ..
JR have to start moving without the ball, and learn how to catch the ball while moving.
I do know Shump's performance this season makes him the ideal 34 minute 6th-Man off the bench next season.
JR lost that job...
I agree, odds favor Grunny reupping JR just because he can with his early bird rights. The question to me is does Grunny make the max offer he can to JR to keep him from testing FA or does he let JR test FA and risk losing him to a better offer?
What do you guys think Grunny will do?
Last year everyone said JR agreed to the Knicks even though he could have gotten more money......BUT there was not a single rumor of a bigger contract offered......
There are so many reason NOT to take JR....36 minutes of play and he is semi-happy....let him see 20 and you will have a ruckus
JR is one of those players you would hate to not have as a regular team but at this point of his career I don't think he fits on a team gunning for a championship. His style of play, temperament, and level of commitment just doesn't fit the goals of the Knicks. The way the Knicks as a team has played in the last playoffs was definitely not championship caliber. The offense is segmented and doesn't flow. People don't know their part in the system and it just seems players are taking whatever random shots are available most of the times instead of having plays set up and mixing it up. Talent alone allowed the team to get as far as they did but if there was more chemistry Knicks would have made it further. There are players that help with team chemistry and players that aren't. JR is one of those players that everyone has to slow down and watch what JR is going to do and make a guess as to what his play is going to be. It can be nice for JR because he has the ability to make in some incredibly difficult shots and tough plays but his offense can be predictable and the rest of the players become stagnant. We need to have a team predicated on ball movement and offensive flow. We need different people setting screens, and people scoring in the post and even passing out of the post. We need gritty players who will fight for rebounds and smother their man on defense.
JR Smith's character is just not a good fit for this team. We need a more serious team. Spurs like.
Funny huh.. JR.plays 82 great games and wins NBA Sixth Man of the Year...nope we don't want him...But Linsanity plays 20 good games in the regular season...sits out the playoffs(2 years in a row) and he is the second coming...So goes the groupthink on KO.COM. Don't let a couple bad playoff games ruin a whole season(which is why d-leaguer Lin sits out so as not to get exposed). Playoff maturation is a process...all teams must go through it.