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    The reason I even suggest Bargnani is simply b/c he's one of the most realistic options there are this Summer if the Knicks are to get out from under Amar'e contract. As mentioned above, STAT is the better player, and if healthy gives TOR way more value. TOR is done with Bargnani. I even believe it's possible to believe TOR might view it's better to bring Amar'e in for 2 years (even with the risk) then to keep Bargs, or give him away for pennies on the dollar. TOR had to overpay to bring in Landry Fields, so it is obvious free agents aren't running to Canada right now. TOR is under the cap and has some money to spend, so they'll first try to dump Bargs to free up even more cash then make a run at a Paul Mislap or something... But I think they swing and miss, and this is where NY comes in. Our main motivation to do this trade is to get cap relief. Even if it is only 4 or 5 million. It would be a huge relief next season. About 11 million will be cleared. If even given the choice that it means Bargnani plus 1 other useful player or STAT, the Knicks will attempt to make this move. It might mean keeping Copeland or not.

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    ANYWAY... Bryan Colangelo is out as general manager of the Toronto Raptors. This means that the players he brought in last year (Landry Fields and Amir Johnson) might be moveable, as the new GM looks to get rid of future commitments and build the team in his own image. I did this trade and it worked: Amar'e & Novak for Bargnani, Fields & Johnson ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]). This would free up nearly 2 mil for the Knicks (probably enough to sign 1st round pick and get under the Apron). TOR gets STAT, an upgrade over Bargs plus they get a shooter. Knicks get a defensive big in the paint to help TC along with some cap relief next season). NYK will keep Copeland, so have little use for Novak. TOR gets to get out of the Fields deal.

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    Im hearing this Kevin Love to the Knicks trade. I know it's just a rumor but it's been floating around all over.

    Kevin Love, Alexi Shved and Derrick Williams

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    Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert and Steve Novak


    id hate to lose shump, but wed be getting klove, a rebounding beast, and 2 good players with potential

    thought we are shiping out our only 2 defensive players

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    Originally Posted by bluechox2
    Im hearing this Kevin Love to the Knicks trade. I know it's just a rumor but it's been floating around all over.

    Kevin Love, Alexi Shved and Derrick Williams

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    Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert and Steve Novak


    id hate to lose shump, but wed be getting klove, a rebounding beast, and 2 good players with potential

    thought we are shiping out our only 2 defensive players
    Shump is future he is the youngest the fastest best D player from all Knicks roster

    Forget Shved and Williams K Love went down after his 20/20 unstoppable series.

    No one will get Stat with his conctract


    most alerts is MELO's contract wich will expire in 2014 this is really scary

    this team need better roster for MELo

    this team need shooters and D like Pacers and Heat combined LOL

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    Originally Posted by bluechox2
    Im hearing this Kevin Love to the Knicks trade. I know it's just a rumor but it's been floating around all over.

    Kevin Love, Alexi Shved and Derrick Williams

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    Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert and Steve Novak


    id hate to lose shump, but wed be getting klove, a rebounding beast, and 2 good players with potential

    thought we are shiping out our only 2 defensive players
    That's an interesting trade, got a link for it? What would they do with Pekovic?

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    No one is trading for Amare maybe until he's in his last year. His salary is basically an on going joke in the league.

    He would literally have to beast for full season before anyone is willing to absorb that salary with these new strict luxury tax provisions. Sadly, we're stuck with him. Our only hope is that he can be a solid 17 and 8 guy. Those numbers still wouldn't justify his salary but at least its something.

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    Originally Posted by bluechox2
    Im hearing this Kevin Love to the Knicks trade. I know it's just a rumor but it's been floating around all over.

    Kevin Love, Alexi Shved and Derrick Williams

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    Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert and Steve Novak


    id hate to lose shump, but wed be getting klove, a rebounding beast, and 2 good players with potential

    thought we are shiping out our only 2 defensive players
    Man that trade looks good but I would do everything in my power to keep Shump. Love really wants to leave MN so they should offer them Tyson,Felton,Novak, and Jr for Love and Pekovic and see if they bite

    Throw in some picks and Copeland and Camby if u have to, I don't care. Anybody but Shump or Melo

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    id try to keep shump as well, throw in felton, draft a pg

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    Just tried this trade on ESPN with Fields as the other player. According to Hollinger, it makes the Knicks 8 games worse and Toronto 8 games better. WTF, is Bargnani that bad??

    Amare would make Toronto a 5 seed playoff team .. Bargani, Melo, and JR would make the Knicks a 8th seed team to sweep .. absolutely NO-Defense from the 3 players.

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    Yeah because if there's one thing we know about Amare it's the fact that he can defend.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    No one is trading for Amare maybe until he's in his last year. His salary is basically an on going joke in the league.

    He would literally have to beast for full season before anyone is willing to absorb that salary with these new strict luxury tax provisions. Sadly, we're stuck with him. Our only hope is that he can be a solid 17 and 8 guy. Those numbers still wouldn't justify his salary but at least its something.

    Stop repeating the hype .. alot of teams will take Amare's $42M contract off our hands this offseason to fill their stadium for the next 2 seasons. Cheap owner MJ would take Amare in a heart beat.
    Dolan could trade Amare next week if he wanted, but season-tickets go on sell in Oct.

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    Originally Posted by bluechox2
    Im hearing this Kevin Love to the Knicks trade. I know it's just a rumor but it's been floating around all over.

    Kevin Love, Alexi Shved and Derrick Williams

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    Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert and Steve Novak


    id hate to lose shump, but wed be getting klove, a rebounding beast, and 2 good players with potential

    thought we are shiping out our only 2 defensive players
    Dont do this too me, i love Kevin Love.

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    In my opinion, the issue is the coaching and leadership. The leadership has to make everyone on the team feel like they are an important piece to the puzzle. If the Knicks learn to function as a team, trust each other to put in the work, then there should be no problems in team work between the people we have. The Knicks are going to have to learn how to make their offensive system work because it seems like we are stuck with the players we have. Woody should allow Stat be a starter and finally let Melo, Felton, Tyson, Stat, and Shump to mesh together. Once the offense becomes free flowing they will be naturally cohesive on defense as well. For some people its hard to be motivated to play defense when you feel that you're not trusted on the offensive scheme of things. Players are motivated to play on both ends of the court when they are rewarded with trust in the offense. Some players take it for granted and other players lose morale because its like, "why should I break my back on D when the other dude gets to chuck up 18 shots and miss 85% of the time without worrying about losing their offensive role on the team and also when they don't put much into defense themselves". A lot of players will obviously get offended and will lose motivation. The whole team's morale will go down. Melo wants JR back but I don't think JR should come back because he doesn't seem serious about winning a chip. Stat and Tyson along with everyone else will play better D in my opinion when the leadership knows how to be fair to all the players and get everyone involved in the offensive scheme of things. When there are players who are only depended on offense, and others who are only depended on defense, the team morale will be skewed. If you look at the winning teams everyone is depended on playing offense AND defense. It ain't fair for someone like JR to have free reign on offense and have others out there only for defense. First of all, whoever isn't getting a chance to contribute offensively will lose morale. Secondly, the offense will be too predictable and will make players like Melo and JR resort to making those impossible shots. Even though they might be good at making those kind of shots, the Knicks will never be taken seriously that way. If Melo don't learn quick that it takes more than trusting in his own or JR's abilities to win a championship we're in for some more depressing seasons to come. I don't question Stat's ability to contribute on both ends of the floor, although I do question his durability. He will be more inclined to contribute on defense if Woody learns how to incorporate everyone on offense. I mean EVERYONE. Tyson needs to be getting his looks, Felton needs to score, Melo needs his lions share but needs to know how to trust others and pass when its obviously the better choice. Stat needs to get his too. He needs a lions share too. Him and Melo need to find a way to trust each other and pass the ball out to make the offense flow better. These past few years they haven't had much of a chance to gel much but the leadership needs to step up and allow them to get things to flow whether any particular player likes it or not. We have our pieces and now we need to trust them. The organization is throwing down too much money to not trust the pieces we have. We need to let JR go. Him going out and getting drunk late during the playoffs should piss every knick fan off. He has the talent to be a superstar but doesn't have the discipline. Stat gets paid much more and deserves the role that JR received.
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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Stop repeating the hype .. alot of teams will take Amare's $42M contract off our hands this offseason to fill their stadium for the next 2 seasons. Cheap owner MJ would take Amare in a heart beat.
    Dolan could trade Amare next week if he wanted, but season-tickets go on sell in Oct.
    kiya you've lost it.... first off the new york knicks sold out every game when they were terrible, so they dont need stat to fill seats. he didnt play this year and they sold out every game... no team will take stat to fill up seats because he isnt a superstar anymore. he is only paid like one.... you've completely lost it smh

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    Originally Posted by bluechox2
    Im hearing this Kevin Love to the Knicks trade. I know it's just a rumor but it's been floating around all over.

    Kevin Love, Alexi Shved and Derrick Williams

    for

    Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert and Steve Novak


    id hate to lose shump, but wed be getting klove, a rebounding beast, and 2 good players with potential

    thought we are shiping out our only 2 defensive players
    i will pass. love is gonna be injury prone... he gets boards but who is our center then? a front court of stat and love would be horrible. he plays no d and gets empty stats... if they could keep shump then go for it

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