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    I honestly don't mean to insult anybody, but the Bargnani trade would be extremely idiotic.

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    what do you guys think of adding rudy gay instead of bargs??

    melo obviously would become our permanent pf, gives us another good shooter on the wings

    doubt tor wud part with him

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    I honestly don't want to see Melo at PF anymore...if it happens again, Mike Woodson should be fired.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    I honestly don't want to see Melo at PF anymore...if it happens again, Mike Woodson should be fired.
    +1 I totally agree

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    I honestly don't want to see Melo at PF anymore...if it happens again, Mike Woodson should be fired.
    I'm feelin the same.

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    Originally Posted by knicksince 93
    kiya you've lost it.... first off the new york knicks sold out every game when they were terrible, so they dont need stat to fill seats. he didnt play this year and they sold out every game... no team will take stat to fill up seats because he isnt a superstar anymore. he is only paid like one.... you've completely lost it smh

    Your past-tense statement "no team will take stat to fill up seats because he isnt a superstar anymore.", says different.
    Stat is not Stat .. when on the court with two selfish BALL-HOGGERS, where passing to moving players are forbidden. Stat big hands catch the ball while slashing to the hoop. Stat & Nash pick n roll comes with a screener too.
    Allen Iverson is no longer in the league after doing a couple of seasons with the two selfish BALL-HOGGERS.
    u do remember Iverson last season with Denver Nuggets, its the season JR came close to winning the 6th man award.
    When Iverson signed with Memphis in the offseason, Memphis season ticket-buyers tripple to the teams highest ever sold.

    And the Knicks decade of being a 23 win season team MSG was the third or fifth highest in ticket sells each season.
    New York Knicks fans kept MSG seats full throughout Sprewell & Marbury era
    The Knicks automatically became a playoff team at the signing of Stat...

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    I honestly don't want to see Melo at PF anymore...if it happens again, Mike Woodson should be fired.



    Melo TRIED to be the PF and the Point-foward this season .. RIDICULOUS!

    I recall the Denver Nuggets having a couple of season-injuries to Nene & Kenyon Martin, which somehow Melo became Denvers PF .. Im sure u recall Denver lineups of Camby & Melo, or K-Mart & Melo, or Nene & Melo, or Birdman & Melo as Denver two bigmen in a lineup.
    It was Chauncey Billups that made Melo go back to the SF spot for one season, when they sign Birdman, and both Nene & K-Mart became healthy with Billups at the point running the entire show.
    Melo wanted to prove he could play the PF in our weak small-ball eastern conference, which was all good in the regular season.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    I honestly don't want to see Melo at PF anymore...if it happens again, Mike Woodson should be fired.
    Yeah I said it all along that it is gimmicky..I wouldn't mind seeing him as a backup PF but not full time...it reminds me of David Lee playing Center for us

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    Yeah I said it all along that it is gimmicky..I wouldn't mind seeing him as a backup PF but not full time...it reminds me of David Lee playing Center for us
    What's funny is that Melo is better defensively at the 4 than he is at the 3...he's a good post defender, just has JR Smith moments at the perimeter.

    If we can somehow keep Martin and get another PF to hold us down(I rather spend 5 mil on Tiago Splitter over JR Smith), we would really help out Melo's game...this team should be built around Melo, but Melo building himself around this team.

    Melo is a SF

    PG(hopefully Schroeder or Larkin)
    Shumpert
    Anthony
    Martin/Splitter
    Chandler/Splitter

    Amare...don't see him getting traded so he'll add to our "depth"
    nor will Felton...so hopefully we can use Felton in a Jarett Jack role...don't think Felton is suited to run the PG position as a starter...he plays best when Melo isn't dominating the shot attempts. Felton is a solid scorer, average passer...does nothing great. Best to see him go up against the reserves of the opposition.

    Defense is the priority, so this lineup makes most sense

    PG - Prigioni (so underrated in many ways. his 2nd NBA season he will be HUGE since he's adjusted)
    SG - Shumpert (Going to break out and average 17-18 points)
    SF - Anthony
    PF - Martin (best defender on the team in the 2013 season...he's earned the PF role, no one played harder than Martin)
    C - Chandler (I would bench him for Splitter if he doesn't get back to form)

    with a bench of

    1. Felton (Spark plug off the bench, total oppositie of Prigioni, will confuse the defense. Prigioni is a change up, Felton is a fastball)
    2. (Drafted PG Schroeder/Larkin)
    3. Copeland (2nd season in the NBA, just like Shumpert and Prigioni, you can only expect BIG THINGS)
    4. Stoudimire (A lot of hope here)
    5. Splitter (two way big man who can do everything except shoot)

    Novak/Kidd can be the 11th and 12th men.

    13, 14, 15 should go to younger players with energy and quickness. We got enough vets.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    What's funny is that Melo is better defensively at the 4 than he is at the 3...he's a good post defender, just has JR Smith moments at the perimeter.

    If we can somehow keep Martin and get another PF to hold us down(I rather spend 5 mil on Tiago Splitter over JR Smith), we would really help out Melo's game...this team should be built around Melo, but Melo building himself around this team.

    Melo is a SF

    PG(hopefully Schroeder or Larkin)
    Shumpert
    Anthony
    Martin/Splitter
    Chandler/Splitter

    Amare...don't see him getting traded so he'll add to our "depth"
    nor will Felton...so hopefully we can use Felton in a Jarett Jack role...don't think Felton is suited to run the PG position as a starter...he plays best when Melo isn't dominating the shot attempts. Felton is a solid scorer, average passer...does nothing great. Best to see him go up against the reserves of the opposition.

    Defense is the priority, so this lineup makes most sense

    PG - Prigioni (so underrated in many ways. his 2nd NBA season he will be HUGE since he's adjusted)
    SG - Shumpert (Going to break out and average 17-18 points)
    SF - Anthony
    PF - Martin (best defender on the team in the 2013 season...he's earned the PF role, no one played harder than Martin)
    C - Chandler (I would bench him for Splitter if he doesn't get back to form)

    with a bench of

    1. Felton (Spark plug off the bench, total oppositie of Prigioni, will confuse the defense. Prigioni is a change up, Felton is a fastball)
    2. (Drafted PG Schroeder/Larkin)
    3. Copeland (2nd season in the NBA, just like Shumpert and Prigioni, you can only expect BIG THINGS)
    4. Stoudimire (A lot of hope here)
    5. Splitter (two way big man who can do everything except shoot)

    Novak/Kidd can be the 11th and 12th men.

    13, 14, 15 should go to younger players with energy and quickness. We got enough vets.
    They won't bench Felton for no youngbuck pg

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    Some of you have short memories when Woody went big against the Pacers with Melo back at SF with Kmart. That didn't work out so well and had everyone second guessing Woody about why he abandoned that small ball lineup.

    And we didn't do great last season with Stat, Melo and TC at their natural positions. Melo plays the 4 better than Stat imo and until we get a better PF or Stat is resurrected Melo may be at the 4 for the rest of the time he's with the Knicks. And don't blame it on the coach because D'Antoni was here last year and Woody this year.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman


    Melo TRIED to be the PF and the Point-foward this season .. RIDICULOUS!

    I recall the Denver Nuggets having a couple of season-injuries to Nene & Kenyon Martin, which somehow Melo became Denvers PF .. Im sure u recall Denver lineups of Camby & Melo, or K-Mart & Melo, or Nene & Melo, or Birdman & Melo as Denver two bigmen in a lineup.
    It was Chauncey Billups that made Melo go back to the SF spot for one season, when they sign Birdman, and both Nene & K-Mart became healthy with Billups at the point running the entire show.
    Melo wanted to prove he could play the PF in our weak small-ball eastern conference, which was all good in the regular season.
    Denver ran out a combo of Elson, Evans, Najera when Nene or KMart were both unavailable. I doubt Melo had much time as a PF those couple years when Nene missed the season nor KMart the next season. If he did you didn't see him there more than 5 minutes a night, I think Karl would have thrown Kleiza, Ruben Patterson at the 4 first before he put Melo in that spot. Woodson put Melo at the spot, I doubt Melo cares where he plays as long as he's getting his minutes and shots.

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    If you move Melo back to the SF spot then you MUST have a consistent inside threat to balance the offense since you're moving him away from the basket. The downside of going with Martin and Chandler is that although your defense is going to be solid your offense is going to consist a lot of standing around and moving bodies out of the way for Melo(plus Melo working too hard all season long). You neeeeeeeeed to keep the defense honest so it doesn't just stay home on shooters or clog the paint. If they stay at home on shooters then that's when our inside game needs to take over a la Stat or someone else(not sold on Stat's post game just yet)... or they clog the paint and Melo+ punishes them. A combo of K-Mart and TC doesn't scare anyone come playoff time and is looked at more as a weakness then strength.

    Now we can ask Chandler to develop some go to moves but they won't be natural by next season so we need a more consistent and offensively sound PF to go with him(maybe Andrea MAYBE a Pau Gasol....Hmmmm idk). We can't have a center who defends(TC) and a PF who defends(K-Mart) or a PF who kinda defends and is just now learning to post up(Amar'e) and a defensive center(TC). PLUS neither can pass well.

    The combo Denver had of K-Mart and NeNe is more sound then a TC and K-Mart or TC and Amar'e. Those front courts work in the regular season but not in the post. We can't go small like MIA cause Lebron is Lebron but think of Indiana's structure and add Melo instead of Paul George at the SF and Indy is 10x scarier then what they are now. Indy just happens to have a nice combo of A PF and C who have post up games, rebound and defend. I'm just not sold yet on Amar'e being our lone post guy and hoping he stays healthy all year next year plus postseason.

    Now if we do trade Amar'e for another PF i'd rather it be a Pau Gasol type. Strictly back to the basket with eyes open for shooters and TC on the weak side. THAT's movement and THAT's balance.
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    We need a Ryan Anderson type 4 for the Melo-Tyson lineup to be at it's full potential. If we could somehow get Anderson,Ilyasova,Milsap,Aldridge,or Love that would be the final piece of a championship puzzle.

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    Originally Posted by Rob Low
    We need a Ryan Anderson type 4 for the Melo-Tyson lineup to be at it's full potential. If we could somehow get Anderson,Ilyasova,Milsap,Aldridge,or Love that would be the final piece of a championship puzzle.
    Tyson and Melo don't play enough defense to have Anderson play the 4 and expect us to be success. We'll get raped by Indiana again.

    We got to beat them with defense.

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