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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    After 2 seasons, I dont see Amare & Melo mixing well in 3 or 4 straight games next season, or the future.
    I have to disagree. Imo, we need to put a dynamic player in with Melo and Mare. Someone who can push the ball and attack the basket. In terms of defense, they won't make each other better. But maybe the offense will flow better if we can have someone who can attack and penetrate, as well as finish the fast break to bring another element into our offense.

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    Originally Posted by MeloforMayor
    I have to disagree. Imo, we need to put a dynamic player in with Melo and Mare. Someone who can push the ball and attack the basket. In terms of defense, they won't make each other better. But maybe the offense will flow better if we can have someone who can attack and penetrate, as well as finish the fast break to bring another element into our offense.

    So many may disagree and call me a Melo-Hater .. but Grunwald did a great job by adding Jason Kidd & Felton to our roster to run the point .. when Kidd have trouble getting two players (Melo & Amare) to mix it up in a halfcourt-offense & a uptempo-offense its a rap.

    Do u recall: Felton & Pablo in the same lineup or Kidd & Pablo in the same lineup, but we keep seeing Melo & JR steady bringing the ball up court to run the point with the two PG in the lineup.
    How does Kidd, Felton, and Pablo feel about their PF & SF doing their job, when everyone in the league knows Melo doesnt have the talent to be a point-foward, and JR is the worst combo-guard in the league.
    I guess the no ball movement & non-team-ballin factor is all good when ISO-Melo shots are dropping, and ISO-JR.Smith shots start dropping after JR shoots 1-8

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    I believe the tandem can work, it has more to do with people giving up their egos and believing in the team as a whole. The way Shumpert , Tyson, and Felton plays is prime example. They put the team before their personal stats. Kidd is another example too but his ability is fading. Melo and Stat have big egos and it's hard to blame them when you look at their salaries. It's hard to put players with big reputations side by side and expect them to work together. Some people just don't get it and never learn that even though you're a superstar it takes 5 people to be on a court to win. You have to be willing to let go of getting all the glory in order to gain it in the end. You will put other people in the spot light and give them morale and incentive to play 100% meanwhile you yourself will gain the glory also because you're natural abilities will always be needed as a superstar. If you force yourself to gain all the accolades, in the end you'll end up losing because the other 4 teammates on the court playing with you end up not wanting to put in 100% effort. Jordan is unbelievably lucky that he had Pippen as his teammate because as great as Jordan's ego was, Pippen had ZERO ego to accommodate Jordan. It must've been hard to be in Jordan's shadow as great as a player as Pippen was. IMO, If he decided to go to a different team, he could've rivaled Jordan but then again neither of them would've won those extra 3 rings. The fact is, because of who Jordan was, whoever played with him had to lower his ego. Carmelo isn't the type of player where other stars will lower their ego to play with him because he just isn't as good and complete as Jordan. Jordan gave his 100% on offense AND defense which caused others in his team to basically do the same thing. The personality clashes of the Knicks' players is the downfall of the team. You can add up great talents but with clashes in personality and egos, there can't be great chemistry. I hope i'm dead wrong and the Knicks can get it together over the summer, sort of how the Heat did after losing to the Mavericks in the 2011 finals. However, I seriously doubt it. Pride is the barrier to many great players from winning championships which is why you can build championship teams around great players that have great chemistry rather than a team that stacks up superstars but have no chemistry because each player wants the team to go in the direction their own way. People with egos think they can only win through they way they envision it in their own minds. They don't trust the team's vision as a whole.

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    if amare gives it 100% effort of defense, the tandem can work. the only time he should be thinking about scoring is put backs. but, then again, amare is allergic to defense or mental issue. so, it will probably never work.

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    The problem is that they both play the SAME position: Power Forward. Both like to start their offense facing up at the top of the circle or iso to one side of the floor. So they trip over each other. Solutions: pick and roll using the two. Amare could set a pick and roll or pop while Melo gets to the rack or pulls up. OR, if STAT can pass Hakeem's big mans camp this summer then STAT could slide down the lane and set up low block two man game with MELO. But STAT would have to be effective enough to draw doubles to free MELO...Would be interesting to see the two on the floor together more but STAT needs to stay HEALTHY....

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    The problem is that they both play the SAME position: Power Forward. Both like to start their offense facing up at the top of the circle or iso to one side of the floor. So they trip over each other. Solutions: pick and roll using the two. Amare could set a pick and roll or pop while Melo gets to the rack or pulls up. OR, if STAT can pass Hakeem's big mans camp this summer then STAT could slide down the lane and set up low block two man game with MELO. But STAT would have to be effective enough to draw doubles to free MELO...Would be interesting to see the two on the floor together more but STAT needs to stay HEALTHY....

    Do u see Amare, Melo, Felton, and coach Woody working-out their facilitating problem, and communication problem on defense at the gym during the month of July this offseason?
    Neither do I.

    I see another season of ISO-Melo-Rule not wanting certain teammates in the rotation .. 2013-14 will be another Injury-prone-season .. Kidd's decision to retire 2 weeks after being eliminated from the playoffs with two years left on his contract ......

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Do u see Amare, Melo, Felton, and coach Woody working-out their facilitating problem, and communication problem on defense at the gym during the month of July this offseason?
    Neither do I.

    I see another season of ISO-Melo-Rule not wanting certain teammates in the rotation .. 2013-14 will be another Injury-prone-season .. Kidd's decision to retire 2 weeks after being eliminated from the playoffs with two years left on his contract ......
    Jason Kidd retired because he embarrassed himself in the playoffs being a total no factor on the offensive end 0 points????? In many ways he J Kidd hurt us worse than JR as a total non threat so you can double other guys against good defensive teams you just can't have that it was time J Kidd

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Do u see Amare, Melo, Felton, and coach Woody working-out their facilitating problem, and communication problem on defense at the gym during the month of July this offseason?
    Neither do I.

    I see another season of ISO-Melo-Rule not wanting certain teammates in the rotation .. 2013-14 will be another Injury-prone-season .. Kidd's decision to retire 2 weeks after being eliminated from the playoffs with two years left on his contract ......
    Your posts are very agenda driven, kind of hard to take them seriously.


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    Originally Posted by JaYnYcE
    Your posts are very agenda driven, kind of hard to take them seriously.


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    kiya is slowly turning the forum against him with his hate that blinds his reality. seriously this guy must be in every huddle and in melos mind the way he says what melo does do and want.... melo not wanting people in the lineup???what kind of nonsense is that. i never knew someone could ruin there credibility so bad.

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    Jason Kidd retired because he embarrassed himself in the playoffs being a total no factor on the offensive end 0 points????? In many ways he J Kidd hurt us worse than JR as a total non threat so you can double other guys against good defensive teams you just can't have that it was time J Kidd

    Before u make such a statement u need to check the Game-stats on the first 3 wins vs Boston .. before JR elbowed Kidd's & Tyson ex-teammate Terry.

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    Originally Posted by JaYnYcE
    Your posts are very agenda driven, kind of hard to take them seriously.
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    My post r cartoon now compared to when we had Clueless Isiah, Starbury, Crawful, Q.Brick, Donnie Walshup, and Celebrity coach DNP Damphoney. Sorry u missed it LOL

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    Originally Posted by knicksince 93
    kiya is slowly turning the forum against him with his hate that blinds his reality. seriously this guy must be in every huddle and in melos mind the way he says what melo does do and want.... melo not wanting people in the lineup???what kind of nonsense is that. i never knew someone could ruin there credibility so bad.
    So many members took away ur credibility 4 ur silly jump-on-wagon comments .. why r u asking me to do the same???

    My NBA experience is much longer than yours Knicksince 93 ....
    Do u recall Magic Johnson rookie year winning the FINALS?
    Do u recall rookie Magic Johnson first contract?
    Do u recall how Franchise player Magic Johnson change the Lakers his 2nd season in the NBA?
    Do u recall Knicks Headcoach Pat Riley pulling Starks & Anthony Mason out of the CBA League to take the Knicks to the FINALS?
    Do u recall Oakley's 32 minutes per game dropping down to 12 minutes per game under Pat Riley?
    Do u recall coach Pat Riley giving Oakley's minutes to the new player Anthony Mason?
    Do u recall Pat Riley quit on us in the offseason after taking us to the FINALS?
    Do u recall we hired coach Nelson, who put Anthony Mason in the starting lineup with our Franchise player Ewing?
    Do u recall we Fired coach Nelson after 3 months of service, to let assitant coach JVG take over, and 2 weeks later we traded Anthony Mason who were playing at an All-Star caliber for a $84M Star PF-Larry Johnson (aka Gammama) who sat on our bench injured 4 straight seasons .. and coach JVG gave Oakley back his 32 minutes per game, plus put Oakley back in the starting lineup with our Franchise player Ewing?

    Do u recall what happen when we traded Oakley to Toronto? and Starks to GS in the same offseason?
    We went to the FINALS .. and FRANCHISE-Player Ewing demanded to be traded in the offseason?
    This should explain why owner Dolan never hired Ewing for all the opening on the Knicks coaching-staff during several seasons of opportunities.

    Red Flag ....

    Owner Dolan pulled all the strings to get his new Franchise player (Melo) in a Knicks uniform...

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    So many members took away ur credibility 4 ur silly jump-on-wagon comments .. why r u asking me to do the same???

    My NBA experience is much longer than yours Knicksince 93 ....
    Do u recall Magic Johnson rookie year winning the FINALS?
    Do u recall rookie Magic Johnson first contract?
    Do u recall how Franchise player Magic Johnson change the Lakers his 2nd season in the NBA?
    Do u recall Knicks Headcoach Pat Riley pulling Starks & Anthony Mason out of the CBA League to take the Knicks to the FINALS?
    Do u recall Oakley's 32 minutes per game dropping down to 12 minutes per game under Pat Riley?
    Do u recall coach Pat Riley giving Oakley's minutes to the new player Anthony Mason?
    Do u recall Pat Riley quit on us in the offseason after taking us to the FINALS?
    Do u recall we hired coach Nelson, who put Anthony Mason in the starting lineup with our Franchise player Ewing?
    Do u recall we Fired coach Nelson after 3 months of service, to let assitant coach JVG take over, and 2 weeks later we traded Anthony Mason who were playing at an All-Star caliber for a $84M Star PF-Larry Johnson (aka Gammama) who sat on our bench injured 4 straight seasons .. and coach JVG gave Oakley back his 32 minutes per game, plus put Oakley back in the starting lineup with our Franchise player Ewing?

    Do u recall what happen when we traded Oakley to Toronto? and Starks to GS in the same offseason?
    We went to the FINALS .. and FRANCHISE-Player Ewing demanded to be traded in the offseason?
    This should explain why owner Dolan never hired Ewing for all the opening on the Knicks coaching-staff during several seasons of opportunities.

    Red Flag ....

    Owner Dolan pulled all the strings to get his new Franchise player (Melo) in a Knicks uniform...
    Kiya what did all of that mean? the a very unimportant history lesson. Then u should know more then anyone that melo is the best knick we've had in the last 15 years. Take away pat he's the best knick since our championship run. But u discredit him and thats what i don't get. Give him some credit. He's nice.

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    Default Forget Amare working with anybody...

    Originally Posted by bigapple
    5 years with pringles in SUNS 3 1/2 with prignles with Pringles in Knicks same style for 9 years and u expect that he will change in few games ? In PHX he was main scoring weapn and playing p&r with Nash. Now in Knicks he isnt main power and he dont have PG like Nash so he is lost but i hate his hands down at the glass so ball will be allways stolen from him.
    Absolutely correct..Amare tries to put the ball on the floor and he's immediately stripped. He gets the ball on the block and never thinks PASS...and then defenses collapse on him making him need much more wore with the HOUSTON CENTER...

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    Originally Posted by knicksince 93
    Kiya what did all of that mean? the a very unimportant history lesson. Then u should know more then anyone that melo is the best knick we've had in the last 15 years. Take away pat he's the best knick since our championship run. But u discredit him and thats what i don't get. Give him some credit. He's nice.

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    I'm really trying to understand what this meant. How does this help your arguement about your perception of melo??? Wait maybe to prove that you're a seasoned fan and the listing of some of our key transactions adds weight to u trying to validate that? But how i can google all that. That doesn't mean u know alot. Who doesn't know all of that-and this is where u won't respond(you have a funny way of not responding to certain posts, because u have no answer an obvious answer that u won't share because it goes against your whole stance on the knicks) but no i don't recall any of the things u posted, i have no recollection of any of that. So please explain to me what that post actually meant....

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