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    Originally Posted by smokes
    Wut?

    He's good at putting back his own misses, that's about it.

    50% at the rim is trash.
    FOH he's a put back monster

    50% at the rim for a player who gets no calls and is good at getting his own misses is fine

    stop nit picking, respect his ****ing game

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    Nit picking? You call out one guy for having no proof to back up their claims and then you say Melo is a "one of the best offensive rebounders" (he isn't even in the top 50) and that he scores 50% at the rim which is good (??????).

    Lol.

    Sorry I forgot, only the people who criticize Melo have an agenda. Clearly the guy who's forum name is named after him and signed up to the forum shortly after he was traded to the Knicks is as impartial and unbiased as it gets.

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    Originally Posted by pat
    Technically possible, but your No 1 on a team has to have some kind of say in what you are doing on court. Additionally what the Nuggets play under George Karl without Melo differs a lot from what they were doing when he was on the team (with J.R.).
    Because a coach adjusts to his star players strengths. People say they want melo to be this team player and completely change his game did yall not see how his production died when he tried that when lin was here. His scoring was stuck in the teens and it didn't work. Build the team around his skillset... Thank u ca7 its crazy how people think melo really controls everything that they do on offense

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    Insightful interview for those who haven't listened in. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

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    Is it really a sin to say the man needs to improve on his game to elevate his team? Not sure why a lot of you guys are taking offense. He's a grown man, I'm sure he realizes by now everyone can improve on their game. Lebron has been improving and been getting better. Melo needs to improve too. If he remains the same he ain't going no where.

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    Originally Posted by knicksince 93
    Because a coach adjusts to his star players strengths. People say they want melo to be this team player and completely change his game did yall not see how his production died when he tried that when lin was here. His scoring was stuck in the teens and it didn't work. Build the team around his skillset... Thank u ca7 its crazy how people think melo really controls everything that they do on offense

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    Then, I am afraid, we'll have to accept not being a contender. Because what we are doing now (system wise) isn't going to take us to the promised land.

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    Originally Posted by smokes
    Nit picking? You call out one guy for having no proof to back up their claims and then you say Melo is a "one of the best offensive rebounders" (he isn't even in the top 50) and that he scores 50% at the rim which is good (??????).

    Lol.

    Sorry I forgot, only the people who criticize Melo have an agenda. Clearly the guy who's forum name is named after him and signed up to the forum shortly after he was traded to the Knicks is as impartial and unbiased as it gets.
    I honestly never knew about forums up until that point, I came along KO on google

    anyway, I explained why 50% was good for "him" not everyone, how many fouls get passed by when he's taking. Melo is one of the best offensive rebounders in the league, I really cant see how you can dispute that, he should however attack the glass more

    as far as your agenda, you've never had one so dont call me about my ****ing username, WTF does it matter. Challenge my fan hood if you want but my knowledge of the game far exceeds most on this forum and thats not a shot at you

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    I honestly never knew about forums up until that point, I came along KO on google

    anyway, I explained why 50% was good for "him" not everyone, how many fouls get passed by when he's taking. Melo is one of the best offensive rebounders in the league, I really cant see how you can dispute that, he should however attack the glass more

    as far as your agenda, you've never had one so dont call me about my ****ing username, WTF does it matter. Challenge my fan hood if you want but my knowledge of the game far exceeds most on this forum and thats not a shot at you
    Melo might be one of the better offensive rebounders at his position.. might.

    But he def aint one of the best in the league. Where are you getting that crap CA7? Do you have anything to back that statement up other than your opinion??

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    I honestly never knew about forums up until that point, I came along KO on google

    anyway, I explained why 50% was good for "him" not everyone, how many fouls get passed by when he's taking. Melo is one of the best offensive rebounders in the league, I really cant see how you can dispute that, he should however attack the glass more

    as far as your agenda, you've never had one so dont call me about my ****ing username, WTF does it matter. Challenge my fan hood if you want but my knowledge of the game far exceeds most on this forum and thats not a shot at you
    I just don't think 50% at the rim is good for anyone playing PF let alone the best scorer in the league. I wonder what Lebron's % at the rim is probably like 60-70%?

    And as far as o-rebounding goes I just dunno where you get the idea that he's so good at it as I said he's good at getting his own misses but if he's not the one shooting he's usually not in a position to challenge for boards hence Tyson Chandler being top 3 in o-rebounds this year.

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    Melo might be one of the better offensive rebounders at his position.. might.

    But he def aint one of the best in the league. Where are you getting that crap CA7? Do you have anything to back that statement up other than your opinion??
    I watch the games and when he usually attempts to attack the glass Melo walks away with tons of rebounds, what do you want an advanced stat

    Originally Posted by smokes
    I just don't think 50% at the rim is good for anyone playing PF let alone the best scorer in the league. I wonder what Lebron's % at the rim is probably like 60-70%?

    And as far as o-rebounding goes I just dunno where you get the idea that he's so good at it as I said he's good at getting his own misses but if he's not the one shooting he's usually not in a position to challenge for boards hence Tyson Chandler being top 3 in o-rebounds this year.
    I'm not saying its elite but the way he plays and the attacks you take it, sure he could finish the first time better but again we're getting into specifics

    pay attention the stats all you want if you dont think he's a good offensive rebounder thats your opinion Im not going to turn this into a federal case but if anyone knows I do

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    I honestly never knew about forums up until that point, I came along KO on google

    anyway, I explained why 50% was good for "him" not everyone, how many fouls get passed by when he's taking. Melo is one of the best offensive rebounders in the league, I really cant see how you can dispute that, he should however attack the glass more

    as far as your agenda, you've never had one so dont call me about my ****ing username, WTF does it matter. Challenge my fan hood if you want but my knowledge of the game far exceeds most on this forum and thats not a shot at you

    Honestly .. No one give a F where u cum from or how u got here, your one-sided view of B-Ball is welcome for rec in the offseason. Keep up the good work LOL

    ur opinion compared to Phil Jackson who took a consistent first-round selfish Kobe & Shaq team to championship level with a similar comment in 1996 & 1997 when the Lakers kept getting blown out in the first round b/c two star-players refuse to play defense.

    O'Yeah, ur so-call best offensive-rebounder did not average 1 offensive-rebound in 12 postseason games averaging 40 minutes per game. K-Mart average 2 offensive-rebounds per 24 minutes this season.
    However, Melo did average 35 shot attempts per 12 games in playoffs .. the NBA stats dont count a shot when a player is foul shooting.
    A super-star player dont complain when fouled and no call are made when the ball is still in play during the postseason games...

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    I watch the games and when he usually attempts to attack the glass Melo walks away with tons of rebounds, what do you want an advanced stat
    Yea that's kinda where i was going when i asked for back up. You said he was one of the best offensive rebounders in the league. Well if that assessment on your part is accurate you should be able to back it up statistically, or else it's not really valid.

    I think the above post from Kiya begins to get us closer to the truth. I'd like to see his reg season off reb numbers and how they rank also. Got no time look up crap like that though.

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    yo CA7, you took the loss in this one man.

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    Yea that's kinda where i was going when i asked for back up. You said he was one of the best offensive rebounders in the league. Well if that assessment on your part is accurate you should be able to back it up statistically, or else it's not really valid.

    I think the above post from Kiya begins to get us closer to the truth. I'd like to see his reg season off reb numbers and how they rank also. Got no time look up crap like that though.
    I got u ca7.... Yall fall into stats too much, our offensive rebounding stats don't tell the whole story. Here's a stat for u, the knicks were 3rd in offensive efficiency this year. so because our offense was so efficient they're weren't as many missed shots for melo to get alot of offensive rebounds. Melo isn't the highest jumpers but he is one of the fastest as far as leaving the ground and reaching the apex of his jump in the quickest manner. I can see why ca7 believes he is one of the better offensive rebounders and after watching him horse people in ny i have to agree. Maybe the stats are gonna say differently but when factor in our offensive effeciency that changes it all... Now if we could find advanced statistic that could indicate his opportunities to get one on a miss then it could reveal melo as a very well off rebounder. Its not his fault the teams offense was efficient.

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    Originally Posted by knicksince 93
    I got u ca7.... Yall fall into stats too much, our offensive rebounding stats don't tell the whole story. Here's a stat for u, the knicks were 3rd in offensive efficiency this year. so because our offense was so efficient they're weren't as many missed shots for melo to get alot of offensive rebounds. Melo isn't the highest jumpers but he is one of the fastest as far as leaving the ground and reaching the apex of his jump in the quickest manner. I can see why ca7 believes he is one of the better offensive rebounders and after watching him horse people in ny i have to agree. Maybe the stats are gonna say differently but when factor in our offensive effeciency that changes it all... Now if we could find advanced statistic that could indicate his opportunities to get one on a miss then it could reveal melo as a very well off rebounder. Its not his fault the teams offense was efficient.

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    You made very convincing argument there..

    No seriously, there's something to be said for watching a player everyday, but it's close to ludicrous to call Melo a top off rebounder. I'm Melo fan too but I try to be objective.

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