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    Default Elton Brand vs KMart

    So it looks like once we sign one of these guys our Free Agency activity will be done for a while if not completley concluded. Of course signing both would just be tedious because one would not play.

    Lets break it down.

    Kmart

    • Fierce competitor
    • Enforcer (probably the best in NBA)
    • Versatile defender (did a decent job on Durant)
    • Playoff expereince
    • Familiar with current Knicks
    • Rebounder
    • Shot blocker
    • finishes with authroity around the rim
    • Limited offensive game
    • faded away in Indy series
    • Free throw shooting

    Brand
    • New York Guy (passion for the Team)
    • 2 way player (more or less)
    • decent back to basket game
    • Can play along side of Tyson and Melo
    • Often injured
    • some playoff experience but not a lot for a player with 10+ years
    • new to team (continuity
    • his perception of his value



    Brand is in the same situation Kmart was in last off season, he may think there is more of a market out there for him! I would love Brand to come but would hate to see Kmart walk as we wait for Brand only to sign him after the season starts. It is imperative that we start this season with all our rotation guys!

    now weighing the plus and minus it seems that Kmart brings more, yet the things Brand brings are more what we need...we'd take a step back defensively, yet we'd improve significantly on the offensive end, Brad's offensive abilities against Indy changes that series dramatically...lets examine possible lineups with both

    Felton
    Shump
    Melo
    Kmart
    Chandler

    To me this should have been our starting 5 yet it fizzled during the playoffs -at least the one game Woody tried it-. Kmart's limited offensive game allows teams to double hard on Melo and/or clog the lanes which also hurts Felton's drives. yet Tyson and Kmart on the floor together is strong! And with Shump guarding his man on perimeter we would be a top 5 defensive team

    Felton
    Shump
    Melo
    Brand
    Tyson

    On paper this is a very solid starting 5. The problem is this pretty much negates the need of either Stat or Bargs...we gave up too much (picks) not to play Bargs and Stat just makes too much to be benched. Brand unlike Kmart does not slide well to the 5 so he presents a potential log jam at 4 not to mention creating an issue in terms of backup Center.


    cast your votes...I'm still deciding

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    So it looks like once we sign one of these guys our Free Agency activity will be done for a while if not completley concluded. Of course signing both would just be tedious because one would not play.

    Lets break it down.

    Kmart

    • Fierce competitor
    • Enforcer (probably the best in NBA)
    • Versatile defender (did a decent job on Durant)
    • Playoff expereince
    • Familiar with current Knicks
    • Rebounder
    • Shot blocker
    • finishes with authroity around the rim
    • Limited offensive game
    • faded away in Indy series
    • Free throw shooting

    Brand
    • New York Guy (passion for the Team)
    • 2 way player (more or less)
    • decent back to basket game
    • Can play along side of Tyson and Melo
    • Often injured
    • some playoff experience but not a lot for a player with 10+ years
    • new to team (continuity
    • his perception of his value



    Brand is in the same situation Kmart was in last off season, he may think there is more of a market out there for him! I would love Brand to come but would hate to see Kmart walk as we wait for Brand only to sign him after the season starts. It is imperative that we start this season with all our rotation guys!

    now weighing the plus and minus it seems that Kmart brings more, yet the things Brand brings are more what we need...we'd take a step back defensively, yet we'd improve significantly on the offensive end, Brad's offensive abilities against Indy changes that series dramatically...lets examine possible lineups with both

    Felton
    Shump
    Melo
    Kmart
    Chandler

    To me this should have been our starting 5 yet it fizzled during the playoffs -at least the one game Woody tried it-. Kmart's limited offensive game allows teams to double hard on Melo and/or clog the lanes which also hurts Felton's drives. yet Tyson and Kmart on the floor together is strong! And with Shump guarding his man on perimeter we would be a top 5 defensive team

    Felton
    Shump
    Melo
    Brand
    Tyson

    On paper this is a very solid starting 5. The problem is this pretty much negates the need of either Stat or Bargs...we gave up too much (picks) not to play Bargs and Stat just makes too much to be benched. Brand unlike Kmart does not slide well to the 5 so he presents a potential log jam at 4 not to mention creating an issue in terms of backup Center.


    cast your votes...I'm still deciding
    Excellent evaluation of KMART...a known quantity. I would like both at Veteran minimums but if I must choose it's K MART who saved our season last year.

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    I would lean towards taking Brand if I had to choose. He's not the defender K-Mart is but he does rebound and can score in the post which are two things the Knicks need. Also in either scenario I don't think K-Mart or Brand are the starters anyway. I think Bargs should start because he would space the floor better and he would not get in the way as much with Melo as K-Mart, Brand, and Stat would. So the question really becomes would you rather have a Brand and Stat or K-Mart and Stat as your bigs coming off the bench. Even in this case I would lean towards Brand slightly. But like DrB said I would love to have both.

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    Originally Posted by KnicksFan4Life
    I would lean towards taking Brand if I had to choose. He's not the defender K-Mart is but he does rebound and can score in the post which are two things the Knicks need. Also in either scenario I don't think K-Mart or Brand are the starters anyway. I think Bargs should start because he would space the floor better and he would not get in the way as much with Melo as K-Mart, Brand, and Stat would. So the question really becomes would you rather have a Brand and Stat or K-Mart and Stat as your bigs coming off the bench. Even in this case I would lean towards Brand slightly. But like DrB said I would love to have both.
    2nd Time today I'm on board with you my man. While K-mart brings that energy that you just cant quantify Elton brings the skills and smarts that we could have really used against indy. The energy thing is so important in the regular season but when in those 7 game battles teams find a way to offset that or flat out shut it down.
    Brand is a solid big defender with a nice jumper and rebounding ability, More of a glue guy with a higher IQ. Kind of a younger Kurt Thomas but more aggressive and slightly more athletic. Also agree either comes off the bench in favor of the Barngburner.

    Something tells me though, as other teams complete their rosters after the Dwight fall-out some team will see brand as a good piece and offer him more money and or years than we can.

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    Not a fan of EB. Never seems to work out when teams bring him in to be a piece in taking a team to the next level, hence you're comment that he doesn't have a lot of playoff experience for a guy with over 10 years experience. His agent said geography is not his big concern at this stage in his career so don't expect him to take the vet's min just to play in NY.

    Much rather have KMart.

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    and we cant have both because why ? it would be equal in terms of attitude and experience at the 4/5 positions as if sheed and kmart were there all year and healthy. brand and kmart together with amare and bargs switching in at the 5 position behind chandler would be a nightmare match up wise; we would have a stretch 4-5 with bargs, we would have an athletic slasher pick and roll player in amare, and we would have rebounding, aggressive veterans in brand and k mart; we learned last year very quickly that you cant have enough bigs going down the stretch, if camby was healthy, sheed was alive and Thomas wasn't damned by the broken foot we probably would have faired much differently against the pacers; to have amare, bargs, brand and k mart as well as chandler to throw against roy hibbert and d west; I think that would work out well---- I say bring em both in some how some way as both are vets and wont get much money on the open market.

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    Originally Posted by DontForgetDerekHarper
    and we cant have both because why ? it would be equal in terms of attitude and experience at the 4/5 positions as if sheed and kmart were there all year and healthy. brand and kmart together with amare and bargs switching in at the 5 position behind chandler would be a nightmare match up wise; we would have a stretch 4-5 with bargs, we would have an athletic slasher pick and roll player in amare, and we would have rebounding, aggressive veterans in brand and k mart; we learned last year very quickly that you cant have enough bigs going down the stretch, if camby was healthy, sheed was alive and Thomas wasn't damned by the broken foot we probably would have faired much differently against the pacers; to have amare, bargs, brand and k mart as well as chandler to throw against roy hibbert and d west; I think that would work out well---- I say bring em both in some how some way as both are vets and wont get much money on the open market.
    The reason we don't get them both is that once we sign one there is no way the other signs because there would be no PT...I mean w the Andrea trade alone minutes at the 4 spot is gonna be hard enough. Consider Woody would rather play Melo at the 4 then that alone represents 3 PFs (Melo, Stat,Andrea) then there is no way we go get 2 more!

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    I'm taking brand. He's bigger and younger. Can guard in the post and won't get horsed by Bigs. I'm not saying k mart did. Brand can hit the mid range too

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    although i was a big KMart shopper and supporter last year, he definitely faded in the playoffs, and that was after playing not many games at all. i don't think he's in great shape and may never be, just good for a short duration. he may be an intimidator, but he's not all that on either offense or defense when you come down to it.

    on the other hand Brand is a much smarter player, can be an offensive weapon as a shooter and inside player, has a complete game, is younger than KMart, and I believe would welcome a return to his hometown playing with Melo and current Knickstape. .

    I remember plenty games when Brand was on Philly where he absolutely scorched the Knicks with rebounding and scoring.

    IMHO, go with Brandy!

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    Brand blocks more shots than Martin, but you failed to it list down in comparisons.

    Weak thread.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Brand blocks more shots than Martin, but you failed to it list down in comparisons.

    Weak thread.
    Such a weak thread you posted twice in it...interesting

    I've never seen someone who craves so much attention!

    SMH.

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    Such a weak thread you posted twice in it...interesting

    I've never seen someone who craves so much attention!

    SMH.

    I posted in it to notify you it was a weak thread.
    Stop crying.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    I posted in it to notify you it was a weak thread.
    Stop crying.
    3rd post and counting in my "weak thread". I read a weak thread everyday I simply don't post is how I let it be known...again you crave the attention so you can't do that


    But I'm going to have to instruct you to kindly hop off my penis, your full cooperation with this instruction is completely necessary and greatly appreciated

    thanks.

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    3rd post and counting in my "weak thread". I read a weak thread everyday I simply don't post is how I let it be known...again you crave the attention so you can't do that


    But I'm going to have to instruct you to kindly hop off my penis, your full cooperation with this instruction is completely necessary and greatly appreciated

    thanks.
    How can I hop off something so small?

    It's against physics. Use your little brain.

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    Martin per 36 (18 games)
    10.8 ppg
    7.9 rpg
    1.3 spg
    1.4 bpg
    5.3 foul per game

    Elton Brand per 36 (72 games)
    12.2 ppg
    10.1 rpg
    1.2 spg
    2.1 bpg
    4.5 fouls per game

    This thread is so pointless.

    Both guys are basically equally good. Who ever we get will help this team, period.

    I rather have both for depth.

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