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    Default Three Aces: Which Knicks Stepped Up Against The Pelicans?

    By Ben Horney, Knicks fan since '94



    After each game during Summer League, we'll choose the three best performances as the Three Aces of the game and break down what made them successful. There were plenty of positive signs in today's loss to the Pelicans, but the following three really stood out.



    Tim Hardaway Jr.: 13 points (4-of-12 shooting, 1-6 from three), 5 rebounds, 3 assists.

    Hardaway burst out of the gate aggressively, scoring 10 first half points. His first bucket came on a catch-and-shoot from the right baseline off of an inbounds play. As the game continued, Hardaway, perhaps due to fatigue, began relying on his outside shot rather than attempting to attack the rim. It was an up-and-down performance that should ultimately leave Knicks fans hopeful. His game seems NBA-ready, he just needs more reps.

    Jeremy Tyler: 10 points (4-of-9 shooting), 11 rebounds

    Tyler was very active in the paint, grabbing 11 total rebounds, five of which were offensive. He exuded a strong inside presence, something that the varsity Knicks might even be able to use once the regular season begins. He was third on the team with 10 points, and appeared to become more comfortable with his role as the game went on. If Tyler can keep this sort of play up, his future can be bright.

    Toure Murry: 11 points (4-of-6 shooting), 3 rebounds, 2 assists.

    Scoring 11 points in just over 12 minutes of action off the bench, Murry dazzled in his Knicks debut. Particularly awe-inspiring was a drive midway through the third quarter, when Murry split a pick-and-roll, drove to the lane and pump-faked before finishing with a beautiful finger roll to give the Knicks a two-point lead. Murry may have earned himself some more minutes going forward in this one.


    Its encouraging to see that the Knicks aren't looking to acquire wheel chair granny players like last year and are hoping that some steady play from these youngins to earn a shot at this years current roster... I really do hope that Tyler is consistent, he could have massive role behind Chandler... T.H. Jr. & Leslie need to continue to elevate their game to be ready to compete for an 82 game season, but so far so good...

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    ^totally agreed, Horney dude! good posts all around....

    I thought Iman was def coasting, not really cutting it as PG, other than alley-oop to Timmy JR.
    I'd rather see I-man doing what he does best, driving and thriving, then dishing...

    Leslie showed some athleticism, but not much else. looks like a young Scottie Pippen, long and lean.
    he had one great play where he motored to the basket, so he's got potential...

    I liked Tyler's game, seems to be a bruiser, he picked it up as game progressed, he's got the
    body and the skills to make training camp for sure.

    Toure Murry had one of the best moves of the game, he was scoring and I wasn't even aware of it,
    as the announcers were bullsh*tting left and right and not providing commentary, but it was great
    to hear Clyde and Breen again on MSG. I'd like to see more Toure.

    I liked Alan Hahn talking to Doc Rivers, his son Austin was easily the best player on the floor, that
    kid's got game. i expect him to be a major player this year with greater bulk and confidence, too
    bad he's not on the Knicks.

    the other bigs made their presence felt, that guy McMorrow (sp?) is a fu*cking mountain of a man,
    and Eloy (Leroy?) Vargas had a nice touch, but I don't think either one's making training camp, unless
    their game improves threefold the next few days.

    Expect Jerome James to play next few games, I'm exciting to see if he's improved and can be the #1
    bruiser backup behind Chandler. I think he's better than Jeremy Tyler, but we shall see...

    a shame how the squad kinda punked out towards the end of the game and let the Pelicones win.
    i know these games don't mean squat, but i hated watching summer Knicks shoot and miss and lose,
    reminds me of NBA team. hardly any passing the whole game, everyone thinks they're Melo.
    guess everyone wants to make the team, but sometimes passing the ball and making the right
    play is really the way to make everyone better, and get noticed. IMHO.

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    Originally Posted by CoolClyde

    I liked Alan Hahn talking to Doc Rivers, his son Austin was easily the best player on the floor, that
    kid's got game. i expect him to be a major player this year with greater bulk and confidence, too
    bad he's not on the Knicks.

    Expect Jerome James to play next few games, I'm exciting to see if he's improved and can be the #1
    bruiser backup behind Chandler. I think he's better than Jeremy Tyler, but we shall see...

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    not sure, but i feel like the msg broadcast doubles up as the nba tv broadcast because why would hahn be interviewing guys who don't really matter to the knicks like monty williams or doc.

    also it's jerome jordan. don't even remind of that fat slob jerome james.

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    Jerome Jordan, like Chris Smith is trash. I pray that Tyler and McMorrow take his minutes.


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    Originally Posted by erivera
    also it's jerome jordan. don't even remind of that fat slob jerome james.
    ahahahaha.... wtf was i thinking? damn! too many jeromes and jeremy's, tyler's and tyson's.
    my mind is blown! i don't think Jerome Jordan is trash, but i agree Chris Swish is total trash,
    who's not even worth getting garbage time... we'll see to(mc)morrow.

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    Would have loved to see TH have a more efficient scoring game. My fear in drafting him was he was going to be a high volume low efficiency scorer and his first game did not dispel that.

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    Originally Posted by DaTPRiNCE
    I guess but at this point I feel playing him out of position is stunting his potential. He needs to play his natural position so he could blossom to the superstar we know he is/will be.

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    Thanx for the update on summer league stats, but NBA.com and Knicks.com ussually never have them.

    Woodson's foolishness has been stunting the growth of Iman Shumpert by playing him out of position for two straight seasons .. this is one of the reason I want to see the SL games stat-sheet to see the strong & weak areas of each SL team .. which SL team are strong at the guard position, or foward position, or center position.

    I recall the Knicks SL games in the 2005 to 2008 where the Knicks always had the top-3 PG in the SL games in Nate Robinson, but in the regular season games the Knicks forced Nate Robinson to play all his minutes at the SG position. Making the Knicks a consistent 23 win season team playing all its players out of their natural position.

    This past regular season we forced Shump to play at the SF position, when Shump rehab training last offseason was strictly as a combo-guard after his ACL surgery. bc during Shump rookie season we were weak at the PG spot with Douglas, Bibby, and Davis playing sloppy in the ISO-Melo system.

    Shump played his best NBA basketball as a
    backcourt SG next to PG-Lin running the point.
    This makes Shump a NBA SG, not a G/F or a Combo-guard early in his career.
    Rookie Hardaway JR, is a SG the first 3 seasons of his NBA career.
    For Shump & Hardaway to become decent G/F, the Knicks should have a primary PG on the court in the SL games when both Shump & Hardaway are in the same lineup .. this way Shump & Hardaway get a chance to communicate and GELL as Defensive-G/F in a lineup during the few SL games.

    The 2 future draft picks the Knicks gave away to Toronto, couldve been used on draft night to get us a decent young primary PG out of the 2013 draft class for Shump & Hardaway growth as Knicks.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Thanx for the update on summer league stats, but NBA.com and Knicks.com ussually never have them.

    Woodson's foolishness has been stunting the growth of Iman Shumpert by playing him out of position for two straight seasons .. this is one of the reason I want to see the SL games stat-sheet to see the strong & weak areas of each SL team .. which SL team are strong at the guard position, or foward position, or center position.

    I recall the Knicks SL games in the 2005 to 2008 where the Knicks always had the top-3 PG in the SL games in Nate Robinson, but in the regular season games the Knicks forced Nate Robinson to play all his minutes at the SG position. Making the Knicks a consistent 23 win season team playing all its players out of their natural position.

    This past regular season we forced Shump to play at the SF position, when Shump rehab training last offseason was strictly as a combo-guard after his ACL surgery. bc during Shump rookie season we were weak at the PG spot with Douglas, Bibby, and Davis playing sloppy in the ISO-Melo system.

    Shump played his best NBA basketball as a
    backcourt SG next to PG-Lin running the point.
    This makes Shump a NBA SG, not a G/F or a Combo-guard early in his career.
    Rookie Hardaway JR, is a SG the first 3 seasons of his NBA career.
    For Shump & Hardaway to become decent G/F, the Knicks should have a primary PG on the court in the SL games when both Shump & Hardaway are in the same lineup .. this way Shump & Hardaway get a chance to communicate and GELL as Defensive-G/F in a lineup during the few SL games.

    The 2 future draft picks the Knicks gave away to Toronto, couldve been used on draft night to get us a decent young primary PG out of the 2013 draft class for Shump & Hardaway growth as Knicks.
    Agreed. Shumpert is our future. I see what woodson and the staff are doing though,; getting shump reps at the pg so he could handle it in games in spurts-- which I don't mind. Shump, Jr and hardaway for a stretch run is a good look. But at the same time I want to see shumpert play his natural position so his offensive game can really blossom.

    Btw, if you want stats on the summer league games there's NBA gametime app that you can download on your phone.

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    Tim hardaway is nice! Say what you guys will. I'm still a like skeptical of his shot selection but his game is oozing with talent. Saw a couple of dunks and a 3 finished with 9 through the first quarter. Dudes gonna have an important role for us this season I like em

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    T.H. Jr. injured??? Left Wrist???

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    Originally Posted by gmf1369
    T.H. Jr. injured??? Left Wrist???
    Its a bruise. Won't be returning to the game -- its a sahem he was on his way to a great game-- that being said I think hell be good to go. Doesn't seem serious

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    Originally Posted by DaTPRiNCE
    Its a bruise. Won't be returning to the game -- its a sahem he was on his way to a great game-- that being said I think hell be good to go. Doesn't seem serious

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    ok cool thx for the update

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    X-rays came back negative on hardaway's wrist, so its just a bruise. Remains to be seen if he plays again in summer league

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    What a waste of $15...

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    My new favorite player on our roster has to be toure . a little background on him, he's a converted pg ( originally a SG ) and he has real pg skills. Sees the court exceptionally well. Get good pace and is a good finisher. Could improve his shot ( as could almost all rookies). Woodson raved about him and seems like hell be in camp with the big dawgs come Oct.

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