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    Haven't seen this guy Brown play yet, but heard he went off for 30 pts and 7 reb the other day on Durants team...don't know how many assist though

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    Originally Posted by petescud
    Haven't seen this guy Brown play yet, but heard he went off for 30 pts and 7 reb the other day on Durants team...don't know how many assist though
    I don't think the Knicks are going to sign him outright, they may give him a camp invite and let him win his job but supposedly he has other international offers paying him over a 1M and other NBA teams may be interested. It was only an exhibition but 30/7 is impressive against NBA pros.

    Just saw the Knicks gave a training camp invite to Toure Murry but he's hesitant to accept because he wants to weigh other options that may give him guaranteed money. Knicks keep screwing around and we will wind up with Alan Iverson as the backup PG.
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    If i was these guys and it meant like $300K difference, i still would taker the lessor money to play in the NBA. If they are young and decent like this kid, they will always be offered 1 mil to play overseas. Just sayin. But your right, we need to commit fairly soon. Some of the sportswriters feel that Grunwald does have time to commit, saying they will always have these type players available, so why the rush

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    The myth continues to grow....

    That is...."Players want to play in New York or at least play for "The Knicks" or "Players will come to play with Melo".....


    I thought the lure of the City/MSG/The NYC Lifestyle/Endorsements/Winning Here vs Elsewhere... would attract all these guys to come here? Vet minimum guys are signing all over the place. Meanwhile we're working out guys like Raja Bell, looking at Delonte West, chasing Bobby Brown...who said China's better....

    and now we're hot after Beno Udrich


    Heck we even had one of the greatest regular season's ever as a franchise in terms of winning last season and most certainly over the past decade, so what gives?

    I don't want to hear this excuse of..."Well we only have the so much to offer players to play here"...because did we not put ourselves in this position and yet the possibility of playing here doesn't trump all other reasons?
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    ^Knicks realize quality PG's are running out, yet the lure of the Benjamins will always play a greater role
    than the opportunity to play in MSG. especially when you're talking a million bucks plus, and the player hasn't
    already made such money elsewhere, or won a championshop. fu*ck the lure of NYC.

    If Knicks can get Beano Udick, I would call that a quality pickup. The Bean took over for p*ssyfoot injured Jameer Nelson last year, and played great PG minutes as a starter. In 27 games for Orlando,
    he averaged 10.2 points, 6.1 assists. He is the man for the job.
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    Beno is a guy we should look at, that was prior to re-signing Pablo...Instead the organization signed Pablo based on emotional attachment and Melo factor instead of making smart business decisions for The Knicks. It not only ate up a good portion of our TPMLE, but cost us Copeland in the process.....

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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    The myth continues to grow....

    That is...."Players want to play in New York or at least play for "The Knicks" or "Players will come to play with Melo".....


    I thought the lure of the City/MSG/The NYC Lifestyle/Endorsements/Winning Here vs Elsewhere... would attract all these guys to come here? Vet minimum guys are signing all over the place. Meanwhile we're working out guys like Raja Bell, looking at Delonte West, chasing Bobby Brown...who said China's better....

    and now we're hot after Beno Udrich


    Heck we even had one of the greatest regular season's ever as a franchise in terms of winning last season and most certainly over the past decade, so what gives?

    I don't want to hear this excuse of..."Well we only have the so much to offer players to play here"...because did we not put ourselves in this position and yet the possibility of playing here doesn't trump all other reasons?

    its not just we are only able to offer vet minimum it's also that we can't offer playing time

    if you sign a vet min deal and then do not play then your market value shrinks tremendously...now if we were offering vet min and first player off the bench at your position you take the money because you have a year to showcase yourself and can re-up for more

    Playing in NY is great still if players know they will indeed play in NY!!!!

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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    The myth continues to grow....

    That is...."Players want to play in New York or at least play for "The Knicks" or "Players will come to play with Melo".....



    and now we're hot after Beno Udrich

    Udrich can make more playing in Europe, doubt the Knicks sign him. Brown signed with a team in China for 1.2M but he has an out if he signs with an NBA team by August. Who's left that you think is worth signing?

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    Udrich can make more playing in Europe, doubt the Knicks sign him. Brown signed with a team in China for 1.2M but he has an out if he signs with an NBA team by August. Who's left that you think is worth signing?
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    Originally Posted by New New York
    its not just we are only able to offer vet minimum it's also that we can't offer playing time

    if you sign a vet min deal and then do not play then your market value shrinks tremendously...now if we were offering vet min and first player off the bench at your position you take the money because you have a year to showcase yourself and can re-up for more

    Playing in NY is great still if players know they will indeed play in NY!!!!

    So let me get this straight..... of all the guards and point guards we've pursued this summer, them not pursuing us...we're pursuing them with the qualification we won't guarantee them playing time?


    So in other words we're intentionally showing up to gun fights with a knife?


    I mean do really you think what you just said has any logic or merit at all?

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    Udrich can make more playing in Europe, doubt the Knicks sign him. Brown signed with a team in China for 1.2M but he has an out if he signs with an NBA team by August. Who's left that you think is worth signing?
    So in other words no matter who's willing to sign here for what we can offer...endorse it? How do we know Brown was worth it? For what it's worth Farmar come back from overseas to sign with the Lakers for less than what Brown is making in China. Although Farmar is no longer available at one point in time he was.

    Should I go through a list of point guards who signed this off-season between $1-3mil, not with us? You think those guys who signed with other teams could have made more playing overseas?

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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    So let me get this straight..... of all the guards and point guards we've pursued this summer, them not pursuing us...we're pursuing them with the qualification we won't guarantee them playing time?


    So in other words we're intentionally showing up to gun fights with a knife?


    I mean do really you think what you just said has any logic or merit at all?

    no you are complelty misinterpreting what I am saying...allow me to break it down for you

    Raymond Felton is our starting PG

    Pablo was re-signed and The Knicks have publicly stated he was an important resigning, thus we know he will be playing

    So no we are not telling prospective PG's there will be no playing time here yet it's pretty damn clear that you come here you are the 3rd string PG...we added two front court players thus Shump slides back to SG and thus likelihood of us using 3 PGs are pretty damn slim, so I don't care what Woody and Glen's pitch actually is the facts suggest that a PG signing here ain't getting a lot of PT


    so why would an agent have his client take min money with there being a risk that they sit out? It again tanks their value, if I'm an agent my thinking is why not just let them just go to Europe play superior ball and then re-pitch my client later this season or next summer rather than have them benched and try to convince a team next summer of how good he was in the 2012 season

    This is why the crop of PGs we are going after is weak...it has nothing to do with our ability to recruit players to NY like you were suggesting
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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    So in other words no matter who's willing to sign here for what we can offer...endorse it? How do we know Brown was worth it? For what it's worth Farmar come back from overseas to sign with the Lakers for less than what Brown is making in China. Although Farmar is no longer available at one point in time he was.

    Should I go through a list of point guards who signed this off-season between $1-3mil, not with us? You think those guys who signed with other teams could have made more playing overseas?
    Farmar wasn't an option. He wanted to go home to LA and called the Fakers to see if they were interested, it was LA or bust for him. I don't even want to mention Delonte West to you but he's a good shooter, more of a combo guard but with the character problems that you hate.

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    Knicks offered Bemo Udick $1.4Mill/1year...

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    Originally Posted by CoolClyde
    Knicks offered Bemo Udick $1.4Mill/1year...
    That's an insult to a guy like Udrih who just came off a 5 year 32M MLE deal .

    Min money and for only one year, some guys would take the year because they don't want to get locked into a min contract for longer than a year but you can bet his agent is looking for a multi-year commitment for more than min money. He might take it if nothing better comes along but any team can pick him up for a 1 yr min money deal.

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