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    Originally Posted by bigapple
    some ppl on this board have some metnal problems or just desperations. Knicks lost game 1 which was very crucial. Same with Heat Pacers

    if Knicks would win game 1 series could b very diffrent same with Heat Pacers without game winner by your Letraveller Pacers should have 2-0 goin to Indy.


    Dont forget 1 thing

    NBA allways wants Heat Lebron in finals $tern will allway rig some games
    In a 6 game series, they out rebounded the Knicks 272 total rebounds to 220. Out rebounded us by 52 rebounds in 6 games, 8.6 extra possessions for them on a per game basis.

    Not sure what winning game one does for that..but ok...I guess. This is why the Knicks can put pretty much whoever they want on the court, and because MSG is always going to be packed, they get away with it.

    Whereas a smaller market, like Indy for example, was able to make the organization feel some pressure after that brawl @ The Palace vs the Pistons. The Pacers lost a lot of fan support, and it showed up in ticket sales.

    We don't have that luxury here. You have no idea how many times I've had a convo in MSG with some folks who were from outta town and just there to see a game as a part of their vacay. NYC is a destination for vacation, so Knicks games can become an even for tourists as well as a game for the die-hard season tix holder.

    This team is being mismanaged (as usual) in a variety of ways. Amnesty a player in the last year of his deal, ignoring the fact that all of the data points to you needing that amnesty for one of the highest paid players in the NBA...when you amnesty the contract entering it's last year, you get a player who in his previous 3 seasons played 74, 51, and 45 games, out of 82. But you give him a max deal cause he was just on a team that won a ring.

    Then this season, you trade your only moveable first round pick that you have in the next 5 years, for a player who was literally going to be cut by his team. No reason to give up that pick, other than being straight fleeced.

    But the fans act like it's ok...no worries...we'll be fine....this team is good. And in MSG, there isn't anything but cheers, the loudest ones coming from the people who only know one or two players.

    There's absolutely no pressure on the organization from the fan base. We have to rely on the media, and all they're trying to do is sell papers and ad-space.

    At this rate, when Melo opts out to either re-up with us for 4 more years, or a 5 year max deal elsewhere...it's gonna be up to the team to convince him to stay. And seeing as how Howard set the precedent for leaving real money on the table to go to a "better situation"... REALISTICALLY speaking, there could be some trouble on the horizon.

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    U r talkin bout outrebounding so look @ heat they were outrebounded too thats why they signed Birdman

    with birdman [reserve and 4.1 rebs] they scored historical run lot ppl was talkin bout this run that was with under 0.500 teams + they allways starting game which was on minus with score and then it was mostly chase for tie and then game winning in last secs.

    Heat arent best in Rebs Indy and Memphis are better but Memphis were sweept.

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    Originally Posted by bigapple
    U r talkin bout outrebounding so look @ heat they were outrebounded too thats why they signed Birdman

    with birdman [reserve and 4.1 rebs] they scored historical run lot ppl was talkin bout this run that was with under 0.500 teams + they allways starting game which was on minus with score and then it was mostly chase for tie and then game winning in last secs.

    Heat arent best in Rebs Indy and Memphis are better but Memphis were sweept.
    All of that is fine and good, but the Knicks inability to get rebounds DIRECTLY led to their getting eliminated.

    I don't look at the game in a vacuum, what another teams does or doesn't do well, and how that impacts their success is irrelevant unless they're built exactly the same way the Knicks are. Memphis is a better rebounding team, but when the other team is operating with such efficiency that you don't get as many rebounding opportunities, coupled with the fact that your best scorer can't get his own shot...you're not getting past a team like the Spurs.

    Miami has the ultimate guy who can get his own shot, and the way the team is built (with another player who can get his, on a good night. A stretch 4 to pull bigs outta the paint, and shooters) it fits perfectly for someone with the talents of a LBJ.

    So if Memphis still had Rudy, they have a shot to beat the Spurs, because of his ability to get his from the perimeter where the Spurs D is slightly more vulnerable as opposed to inside; and the Heat have LBJ and the proper components around him.

    The Knicks didn't address their highest paid big needing help on the block, they got Melo no inside offensive presence to help prevent teams from loading his side of the court when he has the ball, taking away driving angles and forcing him baseline and into help at the rim (Hibbert's block on him in the playoffs is a perfect example of this).

    But I'm being told about how the Heat went on a winning streak because of Birdman, and Memphis is a better rebounding team....this is precisely what I'm taking about. This is why the Knicks brass get away with putting whatever they want on the court. Tickets sales aren't going to fall, and fans celebrate every move they make, seemingly incapable of separating the great moves, from the good, and being oblivious to ones that make very little basketball sense.

    Little bit ridiculous.

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    The Knicks tanked a few years, let Lee walk, dumped Zach Randolph and traded picks away for expiring contracts as well as Wilson Chandler and Gallinari to turn around and build the same team they had under Isiah, just with a different cast of players. I'll concede that Melo is a notch above any of the players during the Isiah regime but the tendency to load up on 1 dimensional players is pathological with this franchise! Yes they have a promising defender in Shumpert, who's the best defender on the Knicks but in the past they have had rosters that included a good to great defender; Doug Christie and Trevor Ariza is what comes to mind. Felton/Marbury... Smith/Crawford... STAT/Randolph... Yes STAT is more athletic than Randolph but they both are isolationist scorers, don't pass and don't defend! Hell, at least Randolph would give you 10 plus rebounds a night! This team is built for the regular season... PERIOD! It's built to be exciting enough to put butts in the seats and raise ticket prices. Chandler is on the south side of his career and I doubt Amare makes it past the middle of the season. In fact, I'll wager anything that Melo doesn't pick up his option and walks after this season! Knicks either fail to make the playoffs or are bumped in the first.

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    In a 6 game series, they out rebounded the Knicks 272 total rebounds to 220. Out rebounded us by 52 rebounds in 6 games, 8.6 extra possessions for them on a per game basis.

    Not sure what winning game one does for that..but ok...I guess. This is why the Knicks can put pretty much whoever they want on the court, and because MSG is always going to be packed, they get away with it.

    Whereas a smaller market, like Indy for example, was able to make the organization feel some pressure after that brawl @ The Palace vs the Pistons. The Pacers lost a lot of fan support, and it showed up in ticket sales.

    We don't have that luxury here. You have no idea how many times I've had a convo in MSG with some folks who were from outta town and just there to see a game as a part of their vacay. NYC is a destination for vacation, so Knicks games can become an even for tourists as well as a game for the die-hard season tix holder.

    This team is being mismanaged (as usual) in a variety of ways. Amnesty a player in the last year of his deal, ignoring the fact that all of the data points to you needing that amnesty for one of the highest paid players in the NBA...when you amnesty the contract entering it's last year, you get a player who in his previous 3 seasons played 74, 51, and 45 games, out of 82. But you give him a max deal cause he was just on a team that won a ring.

    Then this season, you trade your only moveable first round pick that you have in the next 5 years, for a player who was literally going to be cut by his team. No reason to give up that pick, other than being straight fleeced.

    But the fans act like it's ok...no worries...we'll be fine....this team is good. And in MSG, there isn't anything but cheers, the loudest ones coming from the people who only know one or two players.

    There's absolutely no pressure on the organization from the fan base. We have to rely on the media, and all they're trying to do is sell papers and ad-space.

    At this rate, when Melo opts out to either re-up with us for 4 more years, or a 5 year max deal elsewhere...it's gonna be up to the team to convince him to stay. And seeing as how Howard set the precedent for leaving real money on the table to go to a "better situation"... REALISTICALLY speaking, there could be some trouble on the horizon.


    I have to agree with u on the Knicks poor-poor mismanagement for 14 years, and the huge load of tourist still filling all the seats in the Knicks n Rangers games each season, plus the Big-Apple media getting all their propaganda imformation about the Knicks/Rangers from James Dolan News 12, and Newsday paper.

    The Knicks had the chance in 2012-13 to go to the ECF with no problem, but HC Woody gave the reigns of the offense to two Halfcourt-set players (Melo & JR) who walk the ball up court on offense for 48 minutes per game for 82 games, only developing a ISO-offense n a 3-ball shooting team.
    HC Woody denied Amare & Camby playingtime throughout the regular-season n postseason for some reason of his own, plus Woody would never put any winning veteran PF (Rasheed, K.Thomas, K-Mart) in a line-up with C-Tyson Chandler throughout the season.

    The Knicks played 12 postseason games, and only 6 Knicks players played in all 12 games.
    RED FLAG on HC Woody!
    Take a good look at our bigman rotation for the 2012-13 postseason games ....
    C-Tyson Chandler avg 29 min in all 12 games.
    PF-Kenyon Martin avg 21 min in all 12 games.
    6.9 Copeland avg 10 min in just 9 games.
    6.10 Novak avg 5 min in just 9 games.
    F/C-Amare avg 8 min in just 4 games.
    F/C-Camby avg 1 min in just 3 games .. Camby was healthy to play 16 min per since December.
    Camby & Amare became healthy to play the same week in December, yet HC Woody refuse to put the two bigmen in the same lineup .. Camby never became Tyson backup, and Amare never became Melo backup. WHY?

    Im still trying to figure-out why Meta World Peace sign with the Knicks?
    The Knicks are a 6 or 7th seed team in 2013-14 with Melo & JR having the Green-Light.
    1) Brooklyn Nets
    2) Heats
    3) Pacers
    4) Pistons (Josh & Jennings)
    5) Bulls (Noah/Booz/Deng/and 2011 MVP)
    6) ???
    7) ???
    8) ???


    Thats being a real optimistic Knicks fan...

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    that could b changed if Knicks will start to play fast break after rebound when times Duhon and now Felton its just pathetic dribbling.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman

    I have to agree with u on the Knicks poor-poor mismanagement for 14 years, and the huge load of tourist still filling all the seats in the Knicks n Rangers games each season, plus the Big-Apple media getting all their propaganda imformation about the Knicks/Rangers from James Dolan News 12, and Newsday paper.

    The Knicks had the chance in 2012-13 to go to the ECF with no problem, but HC Woody gave the reigns of the offense to two Halfcourt-set players (Melo & JR) who walk the ball up court on offense for 48 minutes per game for 82 games, only developing a ISO-offense n a 3-ball shooting team.
    HC Woody denied Amare & Camby playingtime throughout the regular-season n postseason for some reason of his own, plus Woody would never put any winning veteran PF (Rasheed, K.Thomas, K-Mart) in a line-up with C-Tyson Chandler throughout the season.

    The Knicks played 12 postseason games, and only 6 Knicks players played in all 12 games.
    RED FLAG on HC Woody!
    Take a good look at our bigman rotation for the 2012-13 postseason games ....
    C-Tyson Chandler avg 29 min in all 12 games.
    PF-Kenyon Martin avg 21 min in all 12 games.
    6.9 Copeland avg 10 min in just 9 games.
    6.10 Novak avg 5 min in just 9 games.
    F/C-Amare avg 8 min in just 4 games.
    F/C-Camby avg 1 min in just 3 games .. Camby was healthy to play 16 min per since December.
    Camby & Amare became healthy to play the same week in December, yet HC Woody refuse to put the two bigmen in the same lineup .. Camby never became Tyson backup, and Amare never became Melo backup. WHY?

    Im still trying to figure-out why Meta World Peace sign with the Knicks?
    The Knicks are a 6 or 7th seed team in 2013-14 with Melo & JR having the Green-Light.
    1) Brooklyn Nets
    2) Heats
    3) Pacers
    4) Pistons (Josh & Jennings)
    5) Bulls (Noah/Booz/Deng/and 2011 MVP)
    6) ???
    7) ???
    8) ???


    Thats being a real optimistic Knicks fan...
    U said he gave the greenlight to jr and melo. The same ones who had it all season, hello??? We won 54 games moron... how can anyone take u serious u just put the pistons in 4th wow, wow, wow. I wish this site was like survivor and u could be voted off. You'd be first to go, u know nothing...
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    Originally Posted by knicksince 93
    U said he gave the greenlight to jr and melo. The same ones who had it all season, hello??? We won 54 games moron... how can anyone take u serious u just put the pistons in 4th wow, wow, wow. I wish this site was like survivor and u could be voted off. You'd be first to go, u know nothing...
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    Yeah, but Im that guy who knew our roster were going to win the Atlantic Division Title during the preseason games.
    Which was a helluva lot more than u knew by midseason.

    Dont sleep on the 2013-14 Pistons, who signed a great assistant-coach in Billups, to tutor a raw dynamic PG-Jennings performance up a level or 2 to get C-Greg Monroe & All-Star Josh Smith gellin on the same-page. The Pistons might have the fastest 3-guard offense/defense in our conference this season.

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    Originally Posted by bigapple
    that could b changed if Knicks will start to play fast break after rebound when times Duhon and now Felton its just pathetic dribbling.
    That is what bothered me the most about our team lastseason, we had some of the NBA best lob-passing bigmen off of a defensive-rebound on our roster in K-Mart, K-Thomas, Camby, Rasheed, Amare, and Tyson .. all had great careers from their passing IQ off of their defensive-rebounds.
    But lastseason we refuse to run-run on a transition-rebound to beat our oponents back on offense before they could set up their defense.
    We looked pitiful running a fastbreak basket lastseason...

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    Originally Posted by knicksince 93
    U said he gave the greenlight to jr and melo. The same ones who had it all season, hello??? We won 54 games moron... how can anyone take u serious u just put the pistons in 4th wow, wow, wow. I wish this site was like survivor and u could be voted off. You'd be first to go, u know nothing...
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    Actually you would be the first to go.
    Kiyaman is a legendary poster on this site.
    It doesn't matter if the Knicks won 54 games jackass.
    Kiyaman is pointing out how Woodson failed miserably in the playoffs to adjust the Knicks style and they got exposed.

    Knicks won 54 games under gimmick basketball and got exposed by a real basketball team like the Pacers.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Actually you would be the first to go.
    Kiyaman is a legendary poster on this site.
    It doesn't matter if the Knicks won 54 games jackass.
    Kiyaman is pointing out how Woodson failed miserably in the playoffs to adjust the Knicks style and they got exposed.

    Knicks won 54 games under gimmick basketball and got exposed by a real basketball team like the Pacers.
    Go be a pacers fan then....

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    Originally Posted by knicksince 93
    Go be a pacers fan then....

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    You're really really dumb.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    You're really really dumb.

    Dont mind Knicksnonsense93 .. he just likes to post and call peeps out of their name when they dont agree with his theories.

    Metro .... Knicksnonsense93, did not bother to look at the improvement of the EC teams this offseason, so for him to comment on the topic of this thread is to far a reach for him to grab.

    He also dont understand the "power-move" the Miami Heat made in the midseason games (26 game win-streak) to all the GREEDY owners that voted heavy for the new CBA rule. Now they all are willing to spend money this offseason. so all the money they thought they would be robbing from the players are now going to the new CBA luxury-tax rules. Greedy owners that refuse to see the future impact of the 2010-11 Miami Heat.
    There are 30 teams in the league, the NBA wouldve been embarrassed if the Miami Heat went on a 30 game win streak...

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Dont mind Knicksnonsense93 .. he just likes to post and call peeps out of their name when they dont agree with his theories.

    Metro .... Knicksnonsense93, did not bother to look at the improvement of the EC teams this offseason, so for him to comment on the topic of this thread is to far a reach for him to grab.

    He also dont understand the "power-move" the Miami Heat made in the midseason games (26 game win-streak) to all the GREEDY owners that voted heavy for the new CBA rule. Now they all are willing to spend money this offseason. so all the money they thought they would be robbing from the players are now going to the new CBA luxury-tax rules. Greedy owners that refuse to see the future impact of the 2010-11 Miami Heat.
    There are 30 teams in the league, the NBA wouldve been embarrassed if the Miami Heat went on a 30 game win streak...
    Actually I address u within your name. I address u as kiya and proceed to insult your intelligence. However I don't call u out your name, actually calling me knicksnonsense (which is a pretty good insult) is calling me outside my name. You're a victim of your own accusations. And metro actually does that the most.

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    Originally Posted by knicksince 93
    Actually I address u within your name. I address u as kiya and proceed to insult your intelligence. However I don't call u out your name, actually calling me knicksnonsense (which is a pretty good insult) is calling me outside my name. You're a victim of your own accusations. And metro actually does that the most.

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    u like to insult members opinions to much, i dont give a F bout that as long as u have input on their opinion.

    Insulting my intelligence with I dont belong, and Im not a Knicks-fan is nonsense to me (so thats where the name came from).
    Hell No! I dont agree with Owner Dolan's decision-making on the clubs GM, HC, and franchise players.
    I was pissed at Dolan for firing GM Grunfield in 1999.
    Our top assistant HC Herb Williams had 6 different HC bosses in the past 12 years.
    It makes me curious about Herb's (real) role in the Knicks organization.

    I mention my dislike of certain players, HC, and GM, before we sign or trade for them.
    And yes, I made alot of K.O. members angry throughout the years mentioning the FLAWS of players, coaching-staff, and clueless GM's.

    Metro will say some crazy things when the team or player does something crazy or we lose a winning game, but Metro dont insult a member until after that member insult him. Thats why I didnt get into the Metro & Crazy-8 feud, which I shouldve before the **** started flying...

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