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    man o man. Kiya needs to start the Hatin on Melo thread.

    really nice piece Loco Ochos, worthy of the O&B Globalization personification.
    so much information, too much information, info overload load!

    but interesting to check out nonetheless...

    I believe Melo's game can and will change with significant scorers around him
    (healthy Bargnana/STAT/Shump/Chandler/JR), where he does NOT have to feel
    as if he's the only one who can carry the team on his back. Most of the assists
    were to a moving Chandler, a moving STAT, open Felton, etc., players not just
    standing there watching the ISO, but in motion.

    This could be a Wood Son problem to deal with, keeping the team in motion,
    where Melo could be the P&R initiator, or more of a point forward.

    just like Melo played phenomenal at the beginning of 2012 season, with
    defensive blocks, unselfish passing, so goes his unselfish playing at the
    beginning of games, (as Kiya says), petering out to ISO-hell at the end
    of games, and playoffs. could be mental.

    as long as MELO (and Woodson) is aware of the problem, and willing to
    work on a play like the P&R that is the opposite of ISO-ball, there is a way
    to make it happen and incorporate it into the Knick method of play.

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    Did you write this article Crazy? Nice job if you did.

    Melo is just using his cap when he says he wants to run more PnR, the 3 pt shot and jump shot can come and go, just ask Novak who went from 1st in the league in 3pt shooting in 2011 to 11th in 2012. If you want consistency and chances at scoring titles every year you have to use a high percentage staple like the PnR to get your points.
    I wrote it, yeah.

    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    u joking right ....

    I doubt, Kiya is interested in a nonleadership ISO-Melo best u-tube P&R highlights are practically all in the first quarter of the game. Now u know why ISO-Melo rarely gets highlights on ESPN and NBA TV

    Low-Low IQ ISO-Melo as a P&R player .... LMAO
    Hint: Birdman scored more points off of P&R in one season in Miami, than he did in all 3 to 4 seasons with Melo in Denver. I dont think ISO-Melo 2 seasons with Tyson Chandler, can compare with the Tyson & Linsanity 3 months of P&R and relentless TEAM-DEFENSE.
    P.S. Melo's selfishness never took advantage of having some of the leagues best P&R players on the roster lastseason in "Camby, Rasheed, Kurt, Amare, K-Mart, and Tyson".
    Did you just call Melo a low IQ baller? Kiya, you need to form opinions out of what you see. Don't form opinions out of what you want to say.

    Originally Posted by CoolClyde
    man o man. Kiya needs to start the Hatin on Melo thread.

    really nice piece Loco Ochos, worthy of the O&B Globalization personification.
    so much information, too much information, info overload load!

    but interesting to check out nonetheless...

    I believe Melo's game can and will change with significant scorers around him
    (healthy Bargnana/STAT/Shump/Chandler/JR), where he does NOT have to feel
    as if he's the only one who can carry the team on his back. Most of the assists
    were to a moving Chandler, a moving STAT, open Felton, etc., players not just
    standing there watching the ISO, but in motion.

    This could be a Wood Son problem to deal with, keeping the team in motion,
    where Melo could be the P&R initiator, or more of a point forward.

    just like Melo played phenomenal at the beginning of 2012 season, with
    defensive blocks, unselfish passing, so goes his unselfish playing at the
    beginning of games, (as Kiya says), petering out to ISO-hell at the end
    of games, and playoffs. could be mental.

    as long as MELO (and Woodson) is aware of the problem, and willing to
    work on a play like the P&R that is the opposite of ISO-ball, there is a way
    to make it happen and incorporate it into the Knick method of play.
    A lot of initiative to put forward on Woodson's behalf. He has a lot of quality players to incorporate and keep happy, and other players - Beno, Bargnana - to mould in to a new team ethic.

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    Originally Posted by Crazy⑧s
    A lot of initiative to put forward on Woodson's behalf. He has a lot of quality players to incorporate and keep happy, and other players - Beno, Bargnana - to mould in to a new team ethic.
    you said mould

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    u joking right ....

    I doubt, Kiya is interested in a nonleadership ISO-Melo best u-tube P&R highlights are practically all in the first quarter of the game. Now u know why ISO-Melo rarely gets highlights on ESPN and NBA TV

    Low-Low IQ ISO-Melo as a P&R player .... LMAO
    Hint: Birdman scored more points off of P&R in one season in Miami, than he did in all 3 to 4 seasons with Melo in Denver. I dont think ISO-Melo 2 seasons with Tyson Chandler, can compare with the Tyson & Linsanity 3 months of P&R and relentless TEAM-DEFENSE.
    P.S. Melo's selfishness never took advantage of having some of the leagues best P&R players on the roster lastseason in "Camby, Rasheed, Kurt, Amare, K-Mart, and Tyson".
    Kiya forget watching melo in the vids. Watch what they are doing around him and then watch a playoff game and those people aren't cutting and spacing the floor the same way.... did u really say that melo has a low b ball iq? That shows your basketball iQ. He's one of the more intelligent players in the league, easily a top 10 on just playing smart..... here's something smart. I'd rather melo take 10 shots then him taking 6 and Ronnie brewer taking 4. I'd rather melo taking a contested shot then most of our whole team taking a wide open shot. He's a lethal scorer a great passer. You build up amare but do u not realize that everything melo is doing stat was doing his first year here too. But melo is much more smarter player then stat.... how do u hate on a future hall of famer the way u do. Smh

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    Crazy⑧s after seeing this all vids have u realaized that MELo is simply doin to much ?


    for me upcoming season if final "judgment" time for Tyson unless Andrea will surpass him.

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    Originally Posted by Crazy⑧s
    Did you just call Melo a low IQ baller? Kiya, you need to form opinions out of what you see. Don't form opinions out of what you want to say.
    Thats not an opinion that's a FACT!

    A few u tube videos of Melo passing the ball suppose to make me believe Melo has great passing skills?
    Is it an opinion that Melo get a touch of the ball on practically 80% of our offensive-possessions?
    Only the PG suppose to touch the ball on 80% of a teams offensive-possession in a 48 minute game.
    After watching Iverson average 8 assist in all 82 games to lead Denver to a 50 win season, making Kleiza look like a young star, and JRsmith the 2nd runner up for the 6th man award, while Camby average 9 pts, 3 ast, 13 rb, and damn near 4 blocks per game ..
    All my luv for ISO-Melo went out the door when Denver traded Camby & Iverson that offseason (2008).

    u have to be a very low IQ player when ur down by one point, and u hold & dribble the ball for 8 seconds then throw the ball to Jared Jefferies on the perimeter with 2 seconds left in the game.
    Thats not an opinion those are facts...

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    Originally Posted by knicksince 93
    Kiya forget watching melo in the vids. Watch what they are doing around him and then watch a playoff game and those people aren't cutting and spacing the floor the same way.... did u really say that melo has a low b ball iq? That shows your basketball iQ. He's one of the more intelligent players in the league, easily a top 10 on just playing smart..... here's something smart. I'd rather melo take 10 shots then him taking 6 and Ronnie brewer taking 4. I'd rather melo taking a contested shot then most of our whole team taking a wide open shot. He's a lethal scorer a great passer. You build up amare but do u not realize that everything melo is doing stat was doing his first year here too. But melo is much more smarter player then stat.... how do u hate on a future hall of famer the way u do. Smh

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    how do u hate on a future hall of famer the way u do?

    1) I dont see Melo as a future HOF
    2) Melo's action & personality has made Melo's teammates play without effort in 9 of his postseason appearances.
    3) Melo is an individual player like Marbury (and Marbury average 8 ast)
    4) Melo do not have half of the skills & talent as ex-Knicks Bernard King

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    how do u hate on a future hall of famer the way u do?

    1) I dont see Melo as a future HOF
    2) Melo's action & personality has made Melo's teammates play without effort in 9 of his postseason appearances.
    3) Melo is an individual player like Marbury (and Marbury average 8 ast)
    4) Melo do not have half of the skills & talent as ex-Knicks Bernard King
    NCAA National Champion
    All-American
    Big East Freshman of the Year
    2 Olympic Gold Medals
    6 time all star, likely ends up with 10
    Scoring Champ
    HOF averages 25-6-3 for his career not bad

    This man just needs to get to the Finals and win a ring and his ticket is booked

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    NCAA National Champion
    All-American
    Big East Freshman of the Year
    2 Olympic Gold Medals
    6 time all star, likely ends up with 10
    Scoring Champ
    HOF averages 25-6-3 for his career not bad

    This man just needs to get to the Finals and win a ring and his ticket is booked
    and he should have won rookie of the year too

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    Originally Posted by knicksince 93
    and he should have won rookie of the year too
    dont even get me started on that screw job

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    Melo Muppets.

    Caring about whether he should have won ROY, smfh.

    This is Melo paying lips service (again) to the media about what he is "going to do", lol......

    Melo simply isn't good enough to maintain the type of playing style and ego that he demands. He isn't Lebron. He is writing checks that he won't be able to cash. Every year it is same **** with Melo; no matter who his coach his, who is teammates are.

    How about Melo just shuts the **** and acts like the superstar he wants to be. Make players around him better, win at all costs.

    He's a greatly talented all-star, but he is playing in a league that is in a GOLDEN AGE of basketball talent. And he isn't talented ENOUGH to maintain the type of game and style and ego that he has, w/o constantly falling short when compared to the true contending teams of the NBA.

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    Default A couple of reason why I did not want the Knicks to get involve in the Melo-Trade ...

    In the past two season the majority of Knicks forums put up Threads comparing Carmelo Anthony on the same pedestal as Kevin Durant. Durant won by 68%

    Here is an article on Carmelo vs Harden ....

    When the New York Knicks acquired Carmelo Anthony from the Denver Nuggets a few years ago, many Knicks fans believed they finally had the star player the franchise had been lacking.

    Similarly, the Houston Rockets celebrated when they traded for James Harden, who has been the star the team has not had since Tracy McGrady. Both players have proven to be dangerous scorers who account for many of their team's points.

    As two of the top scorers in the NBA, it's only natural to compare Melo and Harden. Despite being a few years younger, Harden is the better player for a few reasons.

    Harden's facilitating skills are superior to Melo's

    At 6 feet 5 inches, James Harden is essentially a giant pick-and-roll point guard. Houston runs its offense through him with plenty of high pick-and-roll sets, where he is usually the ball-handler. Harden averaged 5.5 assists per 36 minutes last season. In a year many claimed Melo had "changed" his offensive ways, he averaged just 2.5 assists per 36 minutes last season. As a matter of fact, 2.5 assists per 36 minutes is still below his career average of 3.0.

    Harden is clearly the better and more willing passer, a skill that makes a great scorer even more dangerous. It's hard to say Melo is necessarily a bad passer, as we simply haven't seen him facilitate an offense enough to know.

    Melo is more of an "ball stopper"


    A major knock on Melo has been he is a selfish offensive player. Although selfish is probably too harsh of a word, it's easy to see what the critics mean by it.

    Melo loves to isolate, particularly from the wing. The Knicks' offense stops flowing when he does this, and they are at the mercy of whether or not his shots are falling. Isolation takes players out of the game, and it becomes very hard to keep teammates engaged when they aren't seeing the ball.

    Much like Harden, Anthony has the potential to be a very good pick-and-roll player. We just haven't seen Melo commit to this, and, at this point, it's hard to believe he'll change much. Even when Harden isn't scoring, the way he runs an offense at least keeps the rest of his team engaged.

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    It's easy to look at Melo's scoring numbers and be blown away. He averaged 28.7 points per game last season, which is certainly a number that can't be laughed at. However, when you dig a little deeper, it's easy to become critical.
    Melo averaged a little less than three points per game more than Harden last season. To get these points, Anthony required a staggering five more shot attempts per game and posted a usage rate more than six percentage points higher than Harden. For those who may not know, usage rate is an estimate of team plays used by a player while he is in the game.
    Should you really need five more shot attempts to score less than three more points?

    Efficiency, thy name is Melo.
    Harden does a better job at getting to the line

    As one of the most dangerous pick-and-roll men in the league, Harden is a threat from anywhere on the floor coming off of a screen. This is evident from the fact that he got to the free-throw line a whopping 10.2 times per game last season, and he converted at an 85-percent clip. Even when his shot isn't falling, it seems that Harden can piece together a decent game from getting to the stripe.

    Melo is no scrub at drawing fouls and getting to the line, either, as he attempted 7.6 free throw attempts per game last season, finishing at an 83-percent rate. However, nearly three more attempts per game is a significant difference, and one that cannot be ignored. Not only do free-throw attempts mean easy points for your team, but it also often means foul trouble for your opponent. Being able to have an opponent's backups in the game longer due to starters being in foul trouble is a huge advantage.


    Age

    In many ways, Harden appears to be the more polished player. So, isn't it hard to believe that Harden is five years younger than Melo? This helps tilt the scale even more toward Harden, who is perhaps just beginning to enter his prime. Scary, right? At this point, we probably know what we're getting out of Melo.

    Both the New York Knicks and Houston Rockets are surely happy to have their scoring machines. But if I have to pick between the two, give me James Harden over Carmelo Anthony.
    ........................
    In 2010-11 Feruary deadline the Knicks starting lineup "Amare / W.Chandler / Gallo / rookie / Felton" needed a starting SG .. not a roster change for a Ball-Hogger SF that wants to play at PF.
    What do u think?
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    ^bravo Kiyaman. one of your best posts! bashing Melo with stats vs Harden! brilliant!
    as much as I cringe when you bash the NYK, especially Melo, I have to agree with your
    comparison/assessment. matching him up against James Harden was a great way to prove
    your point. I believe Melo is a much better shooter (and ISO player..bleh), but Harden has
    him beat in every other aspect of the game. I commend you for a well-thought out,
    well-written post.

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    Originally Posted by CoolClyde
    ^bravo Kiyaman. one of your best posts! bashing Melo with stats vs Harden! brilliant!
    as much as I cringe when you bash the NYK, especially Melo, I have to agree with your
    comparison/assessment. matching him up against James Harden was a great way to prove
    your point. I believe Melo is a much better shooter (and ISO player..bleh), but Harden has
    him beat in every other aspect of the game. I commend you for a well-thought out,
    well-written post.
    honestly I dont agree with him for obvious reasons but besides that Harden is an exceptional basketball player but the same criticisms he gives Melo, Rockets fans were giving Harden

    he took the ball out of Lin's hands and played a lot of one on one basketball

    in context his assist numbers are better but Melo faced way way way more double teams leading to outlet passes rather than passes for shots

    8's posted a video of Melo's assists, he's a great facilitator but the offense has to be designed around that

    Melo thrives off of screens and quick decisions but is his own worst enemy in taking too much time

    the problem I have with Kiya is he never gave him any credit for improving as a player this past year, he just looks at Melo's numbers and uses the cliches the media uses and Melo shut that up this past season

    However Melo needs to be more consistent and make quicker and smarter decisions to help the team grow

    but taking Harden and the pre-Melo Knicks over what we have now is agenda driven as **** and only shows deep down that he will only support the team if they do things the way he wants it done

    no disrespect just calling it how I see it

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    Originally Posted by CA7
    honestly I dont agree with him for obvious reasons but besides that Harden is an exceptional basketball player but the same criticisms he gives Melo, Rockets fans were giving Harden

    he took the ball out of Lin's hands and played a lot of one on one basketball

    in context his assist numbers are better but Melo faced way way way more double teams leading to outlet passes rather than passes for shots

    8's posted a video of Melo's assists, he's a great facilitator but the offense has to be designed around that

    Melo thrives off of screens and quick decisions but is his own worst enemy in taking too much time

    the problem I have with Kiya is he never gave him any credit for improving as a player this past year, he just looks at Melo's numbers and uses the cliches the media uses and Melo shut that up this past season

    However Melo needs to be more consistent and make quicker and smarter decisions to help the team grow

    but taking Harden and the pre-Melo Knicks over what we have now is agenda driven as **** and only shows deep down that he will only support the team if they do things the way he wants it done

    no disrespect just calling it how I see it
    Omg perfect word when describing kiya CLICHE in regards to melo but the people saying it on t.v. don't watch him play every day so they just say the status quo about him. Crazy thing is I'm not even a melo fan and the person that kiya gives all of melos credit to happens to be my favorite of all time in Jason kidd but the truth is we went as far as melos bum shoulder took us and if his shoulder was healthy he would have single handedly beat the pacers but kiya says most of our wins came from a 40 year old, that won't happen in the history of sports.

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