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    Originally Posted by knicksince 93
    Dumb post. If those coaches would scream oof, well the spurs would put him across from Duncan would do basically everything he doesn't do. And no thibs would not have that same approach because he has noah who's waaaaaay better then t.c. him and Jerome Jordan are the same player with different levels of experience. That statement has no weight as the teams you picked have the worst starting centers in the league. Tiago splitter and deandre. Who wouldn't want tyson chandler over them.

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    Saying JJ compares favorably to Tyson is ludicrous. You failed yourself out of this debate smh.

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    Saying JJ compares favorably to Tyson is ludicrous. You failed yourself out of this debate smh.
    That's a typo I def meant deandre jordan because u said doc rivers and he is ya know the coach of the clippers who deandre not Jerome plays for.

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    Sick or not there's no reason Melo can contain West and Tyson can't contain Hibbert. Tyson being all nba 1st team is the biggest travesty since Rose winning mvp

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    Originally Posted by Rob Low
    Sick or not there's no reason Melo can contain West and Tyson can't contain Hibbert. Tyson being all nba 1st team is the biggest travesty since Rose winning mvp
    Complete travesty... bamboozled us all

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    You guys don't understand. See below..


    Tyson Chandlerís Impact on the Knicks.


    Tyson Chandler being on the New York Knicks and his value as a center can bring forth many different opinions.


    Some Knicks fans point to is incredible job of changing the culture in Dallas and being the second best player (sorry Jason Terry) on the only team to beat the Miami Heat in a playoff series in the ďBig 3Ē era as evidence that he is a very valuable cog to a winning team.


    Some Knicks fans will lament that signing him forced the team to amnesty Chauncey Billups, which leaves Amaríe Stoudemireís contract on the books with no escape. And some other Knicks fans believe that he is a good defensive player who doesnít bring too much offensively, citing his total lack of a low post game. Letís find out his real impact on the team.


    Despite a woeful second round of the playoffs for the Knicks, Chandler was at worst the second most valuable Knick this past season.


    He was the teamís best defensive player, the second best offensive player, and at least from the outside appeared to be the team leader. This year Chandler was in the top 10 in a number of statistics. The most surprising ones, aside from is .207 win shares per 48 minutes, fourth in the league only behind LeBron James, Kevin Durant, and Chris Paul and also leading the team in the statistic for the second straight year, to some are the offensive statistics.


    This season Chandlerís offensive rating (133) led the entire NBA. Obviously anyone who watches basketball knows that he isnít the best offensive player in the league but it would be unwise to simply dismiss this statistic. Whether it is his incredibly efficient shooting (.671 True shooting percentage, also led the league), his offensive rebounding (14.1, third in the league), or is excellent pick-and-roll play Chandler really opens things up for offenses.


    In fact the Knicks lineup of Raymond Felton, Jason Kidd, J.R. Smith, Carmelo Anthony, and Chandler ranked sixth in the NBA of all 158 lineups that have played at least 100 minutes together with an offensive rating of 119.3. Considering that for much of the year Felton, Kidd, and Smith were erratic offensively (and just not very good defensively) the burden of creating points fell more so on Chandler and Anthony.


    No, Chandler does not have the low post game of Tim Duncan or even Roy Hibbert but scoring is just one part of offense. As stated before his offensive rebounding (often via tipping the ball out to a teammate) and ability to suck the defense in on pick-and-rolls (38 percent of his shots were dunks and his efg was 1.000% on those shots) make him a real force offensively even with his limited touches.


    But Chandler is better known for his defensive prowess.


    Chandler won DPOY last year and was lauded by many NBA analysts for essentially having to guard all five positions. Stuck with subpar defenders for both of the last two years, Chandler is the defensive anchor who must keep the team from essentially giving up points at will.


    The Knicks overall defense was not very good this year, sporting a defensive rating of 106.3, 18th in the league. When looking at the playerís individual defensive ratings on the team, only one (Kidd with 103) had a lower rating than Chandlerís 104. Anthony, Iman Shumpert, Felton, and Smith all had ratings between 106-108. During the regular season the Knicks didnít see much of a dip in defensive rating when Chandler left the floor (though one has to wonder how almost always sitting against the second unit affects this) but saw an eight point rise (95 to 103) in the statistic when he left the floor in the playoffs, this even against the offensively challenged Celtics and Pacers.


    Overall Chandler these past two years has been of immense value to the Knicks and it would be very difficult to imagine many other centers being able to help bring the success the Knicks have had over the past two years. Is Chandler Dwight Howard? No, heís not but youíd be hard pressed to find many other centers that can both lead a defense and greatly impact an offense without demanding the ball on too many possessions.

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    Originally Posted by knicksince 93
    Dumb post. If those coaches would scream oof, well the spurs would put him across from Duncan would do basically everything he doesn't do. And no thibs would not have that same approach because he has noah who's waaaaaay better then t.c. him and Jerome Jordan are the same player with different levels of experience. That statement has no weight as the teams you picked have the worst starting centers in the league. Tiago splitter and deandre. Who wouldn't want tyson chandler over them.

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    Ummm...I picked Tom Tibbs who had an All Star Center in Noah! So explain how I picked "the worst centers only"

    And the notion that Noah is "waaaaaay better" lacks insight on so many levels. mostly because you a basing it off of what Tyson did in the playoffs against Indy and not what he has done for us the past 2 seasons. Thats the problem with Knick fans, a player has an amazing series he's Shaq 2.0 if he struggles then he is garbage!

    No disrespect to Noah but Tyson on his best day gives a team more than Noah. Noah is a personality and a high energy guy and again I respect that...but he's not better than Tyson....insert Noah on 2010 Mavs in the place of Tyson they don't win a Title! There is more than Basketball than what shows up in box scores

    Further more I picked championship caliber teams to illustrate that Tyson is the type of player who winning teams want!

    and no DeAndre (Jerome is the Jamican dude) Jordan is not a less experienced player. DeAndre lacks Tyson's Defensive IQ/Instincts and Tyson is a better offensive player than him

    Again what sucks is that the Tyson hate is all coming from one bad series and all this Hibbert love is coming from an equally short span of success.

    SMH!!!

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    Ummm...I picked Tom Tibbs who had an All Star Center in Noah! So explain how I picked "the worst centers only"

    And the notion that Noah is "waaaaaay better" lacks insight on so many levels. mostly because you a basing it off of what Tyson did in the playoffs against Indy and not what he has done for us the past 2 seasons. Thats the problem with Knick fans, a player has an amazing series he's Shaq 2.0 if he struggles then he is garbage!

    No disrespect to Noah but Tyson on his best day gives a team more than Noah. Noah is a personality and a high energy guy and again I respect that...but he's not better than Tyson....insert Noah on 2010 Mavs in the place of Tyson they don't win a Title! There is more than Basketball than what shows up in box scores

    Further more I picked championship caliber teams to illustrate that Tyson is the type of player who winning teams want!

    and no DeAndre (Jerome is the Jamican dude) Jordan is not a less experienced player. DeAndre lacks Tyson's Defensive IQ/Instincts and Tyson is a better offensive player than him

    Again what sucks is that the Tyson hate is all coming from one bad series and all this Hibbert love is coming from an equally short span of success.

    SMH!!!
    So deandre isn't less experienced then a player who's been in the league over a decade? Silly response that's an obvious answer. Todays noah on that mavs team, they still win a championship. Noah on our team makes us waaaaaaaay better then tyson chandler. We wouldn't have lost to indy with noah. Tyson chandler isn't a great shot blocker, not a great rebounder, can't score, cant play help defense. In fact the only center he plays well is dwight Howard. But he has major offensive limitations as well. He went out for a substantial amount of time and we not only missed a beat we got better none of our numbers dipped. How is needed then. He's still serviceable and can still be a center on championship caliber teams if they don't have our deficiencies. You picked doc, he'll play him across from blake who will grab all the boards, or across from duncan who again will do the boarding and defense that chandler does. Chicago doesn't need him so pointless to respond to them. I'm not saying he's useless to us but if we could move him We'd be perfectly fine without him

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    And the tc that we have is not the same person who played with the mavs. He's slower rolling to the rim off pick and rolls, doesn't finish how he used to when the lobs come(his only way of scoring) how many times last year (prior to and in addition to) did ray, pablo and kidd lob him stuff that he just totally screwed up? Perfect lobs he would have had when we was good. He gets pushed off the block easier. Slower on rotations. So stop referencing to the mavs title hes not 75 percent that player anymore.

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    Noah is way better than Tyson. There's literally not 1 thing I can think of that Tyson does better than him

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    Originally Posted by knicksince 93
    And the tc that we have is not the same person who played with the mavs. He's slower rolling to the rim off pick and rolls, doesn't finish how he used to when the lobs come(his only way of scoring) how many times last year (prior to and in addition to) did ray, pablo and kidd lob him stuff that he just totally screwed up? Perfect lobs he would have had when we was good. He gets pushed off the block easier. Slower on rotations. So stop referencing to the mavs title hes not 75 percent that player anymore.

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    Again..

    He was the team’s best defensive player, the second best offensive player, and at least from the outside appeared to be the team leader. This year Chandler was in the top 10 in a number of statistics. The most surprising ones, aside from is .207 win shares per 48 minutes, fourth in the league only behind LeBron James, Kevin Durant, and Chris Paul and also leading the team in the statistic for the second straight year, to some are the offensive statistics.


    This season Chandler’s offensive rating (133) led the entire NBA. Obviously anyone who watches basketball knows that he isn’t the best offensive player in the league but it would be unwise to simply dismiss this statistic. Whether it is his incredibly efficient shooting (.671 True shooting percentage, also led the league), his offensive rebounding (14.1, third in the league), or his excellent pick-and-roll play Chandler really opens things up for offenses.


    All you've shown is that you have an incredibly biased opinion re Tyson. I posted evidence of his impact from just last season and all you do is continue to post he same thoughts with nothing to back it up.

    Tyson is still a very effective pick and roll player, also evidenced by Melo's indication he wants to run it more with him. How are you gonna say he doesn't finish around the rim like he used to when his FG % is as high as it's ever been? He doesn't rebound?? Are you kidding me. How many times do we see him tip the ball out to a teammate ala Bill Russell? No other center in the league uses that skill consistently. Tyson has mastered it. That's why his offensive rebound rate is so high. He also averaged double digit rebounds (10.7) last season. That's basically 11 rebounds per. Dude puts in work. He is easily one of the best rebounders in the league.

    I don't know why some Knick fans go out of their way to hate on a guy who does all the dirty work, who reps the team and himself well. Dude did all he could for us with an injury in the playoffs and people don't see that. Can you imagine how we'd of looked without him against Indiana?? We'd of been out in 5.

    And Tyson Chandler is waaaayy better than DeAndre Jordan. That was still a ridiculous comment if you did make a typo.
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    U didn't post any evidence. Did u really say tyson chandler was the mavs second best offensive player? A player who lacks all offensive abilities aside from a very very very rare jump shot. He hasn't been pegged that hi on offense since high school. I'm done. Tyson chandler is not a defensive threat if u wanna base stuff on numbers. He doesn't rebound block shots or get steals and doesn't help defend so where is the proof that he's this defensive juggernaut. Not hearsay and saying oh he's the only defensive player on a team that has none. What does that mean? Our guards got beat and he's supposed to be the protector but more likely then not when our guards got beat so did he because he rotates slow when he tries to contest but our beloved protector will just dodge out of the way and I'm sure opposing guards know he won't contest. It shouldn't be that easy to score on us.

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    Again..

    He was the teamís best defensive player, the second best offensive player, and at least from the outside appeared to be the team leader. This year Chandler was in the top 10 in a number of statistics. The most surprising ones, aside from is .207 win shares per 48 minutes, fourth in the league only behind LeBron James, Kevin Durant, and Chris Paul and also leading the team in the statistic for the second straight year, to some are the offensive statistics.


    This season Chandlerís offensive rating (133) led the entire NBA. Obviously anyone who watches basketball knows that he isnít the best offensive player in the league but it would be unwise to simply dismiss this statistic. Whether it is his incredibly efficient shooting (.671 True shooting percentage, also led the league), his offensive rebounding (14.1, third in the league), or his excellent pick-and-roll play Chandler really opens things up for offenses.


    All you've shown is that you have an incredibly biased opinion re Tyson. I posted evidence of his impact from just last season and all you do is continue to post he same thoughts with nothing to back it up.

    Tyson is still a very effective pick and roll player, also evidenced by Melo's indication he wants to run it more with him. How are you gonna say he doesn't finish around the rim like he used to when his FG % is as high as it's ever been? He doesn't rebound?? Are you kidding me. How many times do we see him tip the ball out to a teammate ala Bill Russell? No other center in the league uses that skill consistently. Tyson has mastered it. That's why his offensive rebound rate is so high. He also averaged double digit rebounds (10.7) last season. That's basically 11 rebounds per. Dude puts in work. He is easily one of the best rebounders in the league.

    I don't know why some Knick fans go out of their way to hate on a guy who does all the dirty work, who reps the team and himself well. Dude did all he could for us with an injury in the playoffs and people don't see that. Can you imagine how we'd of looked without him against Indiana?? We'd of been out in 5.

    And Tyson Chandler is waaaayy better than DeAndre Jordan. That was still a ridiculous comment if you did make a typo.
    You're the one with the biased opinion stating he was second best scorer. Dirk, the matrix, obviously the jet, jkidd and c butler were all better at scoring then him. I don't I even chose to debate that. We swap deandre jordan for dirk we still win 54 games

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    Still no back up to your assertions??

    The post referenced him being our second best "offensive player", not our second best scorer, who 's obviously JR. When you look at everything he does for the offense, in terms of his role as it relates to the high pick and roll (in terms of his threat to roll to the basket, finish and how this factor opens up driving lanes/open shots for teammates) and his offensive rebounding, league best Off rating and high FG/true shooting percentages the reasoning behind this distinction becomes clear.

    The part about him being the second best player was in reference to his time in Dallas:


    Some Knicks fans point to is incredible job of changing the culture in Dallas and being the second best player (sorry Jason Terry) on the only team to beat the Miami Heat in a playoff series in the “Big 3” era as evidence that he is a very valuable cog to a winning team.

    ​He absolutely was their second best player as he is ours.
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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    Still no back up to your assertions??

    The post referenced him being our second best "offensive player", not our second best scorer, who 's obviously JR. When you look at everything he does for the offense, in terms of his role as it relates to the high pick and roll (in terms of his threat to roll to the basket, finish and how this factor opens up driving lanes/open shots for teammates) and his offensive rebounding, league best Off rating and high FG/true shooting percentages the reasoning behind this distinction becomes clear.

    The part about him being the second best player was in reference to his time in Dallas:


    Some Knicks fans point to is incredible job of changing the culture in Dallas and being the second best player (sorry Jason Terry) on the only team to beat the Miami Heat in a playoff series in the ďBig 3Ē era as evidence that he is a very valuable cog to a winning team.

    ​He absolutely was their second best player as he is ours.
    Our second best offensive player? Wow. Ray, and shump, melo, jr. Stat were all superior then him. Rono he doesn't finish how he used to at the rim. Everything you're saying about him is correct but only 2 seasons ago. Saying he's better then our guards offensively is just dumb tryna back it up by fg percentage. Look at his fg attempts n I really cant believe you put him and scoring in the same sentence... if this was 2 seasons ago you'd be right but times change and so did he.

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    I'm sorry my proof is in observation of the game and I watch him game after game after game let people lay up on him, miss lobs that just 2 years ago would have easily got. Catch lobs and then miss the dunk attempt. He got horsed in the playoffs by hibbert who is bigger and kg who actually is smaller. Who had double digit rebounds in the first half of those playoff games

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