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    Originally Posted by NY17KNICKS
    Originally Posted by skisloper

    You're out of your mind if you'd rather have Jeremy ****!ng Lin over Raymond Felton
    There are a lot of things I may be out of mine for but LIN over Felton would not be one of them....listen I could understand how you would want felton but I promise you the difference either would make to the team is very little....I do find lins open game a step up for ISO melo....
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    Lin has done nothingggggggg. not.even talking about Felton I was talking about the OP claiming melo pushed Lin out of here. we wanted to resign Lin btw. fools. but that poison pill contract ended those plans.



    its funny. with potentially 60 million wrapped up in four players if we had resigned Lin. Chandler amare and Lin would be the biggest waste or 45 mil ever. and we would lose shump because of it. every single person on this forum would throw a hairy fit and whine. whyyyy did we give Lin that contract. you're all so near sighted and obtuse its ridiculous. open your eyes.

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    Originally Posted by NY17KNICKS
    Originally Posted by skisloper

    You're out of your mind if you'd rather have Jeremy ****!ng Lin over Raymond Felton
    Lin is a much better pick and roll player and a better defender. Felt had the leagues worst average points scored against him last season. He's a terrible defender and an average playmaker. He only averaged 5.5 assists per and was 30th in assist to turnover ratio.

    Ray is an average point at best. Numbers don't lie.
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    In my opinion both Lin and Felton are average borderline starter/backup point guards. Anyone still hung up on Lin not being here at this point should probably consider moving on

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    [QUOTE=ronoranina;276634]
    Originally Posted by NY17KNICKS

    Lin is a much better pick and roll player and a better defender. Felt had the leagues worst average points scored against him last season. He's a terrible defender and an average playmaker. He only averaged 5.5 assists per and was 30th in assist to turnover ratio.

    Ray is an average point at best. Numbers don't lie.
    Ekhm, assist/turnover ratio:
    Raymond Felton: 2.39
    Jeremy Lin: 2.10

    IMO a very comparable score, but in the playoffs:

    Raymond Felton: 2.76
    Jeremy Lin: 1,00

    Moreover, also in the playoffs:

    Raymond Felton: 14.1 ppg, .444 FG%, 3.4 trb, 4.7 ast
    Jeremy Lin: 6.9 ppg, .250 FG%, 3.4 rpg, 3.4 ast

    Felton is a way better PG, especially playing under pressure, Lin lost his starting spot during the playoffs for a reason. And to make it even more complete:

    Ramond Felton: $8.54M remaining on his contract through 2014/15
    Jeremy Lin: $20.12M remaining on his contract through 2014/15

    You do the math. Felton may not be an all-star caliber point guard, but he simply outplays Lin... and all that for much much less $$$.

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    [QUOTE=Lercher;276767]
    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    Ekhm, assist/turnover ratio:
    Raymond Felton: 2.39
    Jeremy Lin: 2.10

    IMO a very comparable score, but in the playoffs:

    Raymond Felton: 2.76
    Jeremy Lin: 1,00

    Moreover, also in the playoffs:

    Raymond Felton: 14.1 ppg, .444 FG%, 3.4 trb, 4.7 ast
    Jeremy Lin: 6.9 ppg, .250 FG%, 3.4 rpg, 3.4 ast

    Felton is a way better PG, especially playing under pressure, Lin lost his starting spot during the playoffs for a reason. And to make it even more complete:

    Ramond Felton: $8.54M remaining on his contract through 2014/15
    Jeremy Lin: $20.12M remaining on his contract through 2014/15

    You do the math. Felton may not be an all-star caliber point guard, but he simply outplays Lin... and all that for much much less $$$.


    Lin is just more fun to watch then the ISO slow moving Melo ball...

    With that said Felton's explosiveness in game 1 was a thing of beauty....

    All Money being equal I do not think Lin or Felton would change the win loss ratio for the Knicks if they were swapped.....It does not matter as we all know........

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    [QUOTE=NY17KNICKS;276545]
    Originally Posted by skisloper

    You're out of your mind if you'd rather have Jeremy ****!ng Lin over Raymond Felton
    Jeremy Lin's defense is lightyears ahead of Felton's.

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    [QUOTE=metrocard;276773]
    Originally Posted by NY17KNICKS

    Jeremy Lin's defense is lightyears ahead of Felton's.
    I agree Lin is a better individual defender, his opponent counterpart PER last year was 16.9 while Felton's was 19.7. But, the Knicks performed way better with Felton in the lineup than the Rockets with Lin. IMO they're both very comparable PGs, but considering that a) Felton's way cheaper and b) he has the ability to play under pressure (so when it really counts) makes him a better option than Lin. I gotta admit, I'm not 100% impartial in this dispute, but claiming that Lin's better overall PG and that he's much more fun to watch is just an opinion without any supporting evidence.

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    Originally Posted by DontForgetDerekHarper
    Lin has done nothingggggggg. not.even talking about Felton I was talking about the OP claiming melo pushed Lin out of here. we wanted to resign Lin btw. fools. but that poison pill contract ended those plans.


    its funny. with potentially 60 million wrapped up in four players if we had resigned Lin. Chandler amare and Lin would be the biggest waste or 45 mil ever. and we would lose shump because of it. every single person on this forum would throw a hairy fit and whine. whyyyy did we give Lin that contract. you're all so near sighted and obtuse its ridiculous. open your eyes.

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    In June 2014 .. u will have to admitt that Jeremy Lin took his Houston teammates with two-Star Players to the WCF .. before Felton took his Knicks teammates with 3 to 4 star players to the ECF ....
    u could also put this as one of the reason Dolan gave the Knicks front-office an altermatum .. "Win it all"

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    [QUOTE=Lercher;276778]
    Originally Posted by metrocard
    I agree Lin is a better individual defender, his opponent counterpart PER last year was 16.9 while Felton's was 19.7. But, the Knicks performed way better with Felton in the lineup than the Rockets with Lin. IMO they're both very comparable PGs, but considering that a) Felton's way cheaper and b) he has the ability to play under pressure (so when it really counts) makes him a better option than Lin. I gotta admit, I'm not 100% impartial in this dispute, but claiming that Lin's better overall PG and that he's much more fun to watch is just an opinion without any supporting evidence.

    If the Knicks wouldve offered Lin a 4 year contract (worth $16M or $20M) on July 1st 2012.
    Jeremy Lin wouldve resigned on July 10th 2012.
    A blind man couldve seen the $25M per in "LinSanity" endorsements waiting on the table for Lin to receive, after resigning with the Knicks. That's every proffesional athlete dream.

    If Jeremy Lin wouldve resigned with the Knicks, which Knicks player wouldve made the most money from endorsements that year?

    A) Melo
    B) Amare
    C) Chandler (DOY)
    D) LinSanity

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    Right now any talks Lin vs Felton r pointless Lin is bench player poor everything scoring % poor d but last two games vs Knicks Lin outplayed Felton . So next game will answer some questin



    btw STAT wont player vs T'Wolves its means that he wont b in shape completely and no b2b games limited mins 10-15.

    JR will b back in 2 games [counting T'Wolves]

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    Kidd was really good at:
    - Rebounding
    - 3 point shooting/floor spacing
    - Extremely low turnover rate
    - Leadership
    - Ball movement

    Note that these were the things (3 pt shooting, ball movement) that made us good last year.

    Bargnani's good at:
    - Being a b****
    - Rebounding worse than Tim Thomas
    - Turning over the rock
    - Bricking 3 pointers Which are basically all problems for the team as a whole


    People who ****ted on Kidd last year are blowing up right now.

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    look @ Sheed and Kidd they made diffrences now no Kidd no Sheed n half season no Shump

    not a mention beggining of season was vs heat vs Spurs both victrious now slump

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    We'll finish 43-39. the worst record you can have as an NBA team. Treadmill team. not high lottery pick, free to another team for a playoff win.

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    How is this shiiiitty restriction decision working-out for the Knicks Team?
    Six games into season .. 2-4 record

    Woodson.... put Amare and Martin on 41 game, 10 minute per game, restrictions this season.
    Amare declared himself ready to play opening night, Woodson told him to sit out.
    This isn't the way to do things.

    No player can give you anything playing every other game PUS just 10 minutes a game. Com'on
    I always thought under 10 minutes per game by medical-staff meant REHAB.
    What can Tim Duncan, Bosh, Ibaka, give to their teams under the same circumstance?

    Whats going on?

    Oh Shiiiiit! WTF do Amare & K-Mart got in common?
    1) Both are PF,
    2) both are superior in a push-ball transition,
    3) and both had their lockerroom dispute with our 40 minute super-star PF ISO-Melo.


    Oh Shiiiit! Karma .. C-Tyson Chandler is out for the next 20 games.
    Will the Knicks uplift these restrictions? making their so-call medical-staff look like SHIIIIIIT?
    Or will they rest their faith on 7.0 Bargani, 6.9 ISO-Melo, and 6.6 JR.smith, win/loss record the next 20 games???
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