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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    So without Melo, Knicks win this game?

    No I am not saying that at all.. Im saying with a smarter Melo we would have won that game tonight. We seen the melo that playes team ball in the first half and seen the me,myself and I melo in the 2nd half. The guy would be the best player in the league if he used his talent the right way.

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    I still got my Melo jersey on, im not ready to let go haha

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    I cannot fathom how stupid Woodson must be to employ the hack-a-Howard, but then not reiterate, remind, reinforce the fact that you cannot foul him with under two minutes to play.

    I am also sick and tired of playing 82 road games. We are the only team in the NBA, with a true legit star, that gets ZERO hometown calls. For example, Bargs drains a three to tie it with five to play in the fourth, crowd chanting, knicks playing defense. Shot clock down to 1. Parsons takes an off-balanced shot from outside the paint. Whistle blows. Two free throws. Really? A phantom call simply because the defender sort of exhibits a slight downward motion with his hand. This is a second year player, drafted in the second round. This isn't Kobe.

    Meanwhile, on our own home floor, I saw plenty of fouls NOT called on Melo... A star, playing on his home court, who was red hot. One drive in particular stood out: the defender had his hand on Anthony's back and blatantly swiped down on the ball, after raising hand high, then swooping down and missing. I don't recall freaking Steve Kerrr saying something then about forcing the ref to blow his whistle.

    And, on the play the HOU player hurt himself... Melo drives, and this guy isn't planted... Carmelo's lower body is clobbered by this guy, who is jumping in a shifting direction towards where Melo was attacking. He doesnt jump straight up. Melo doesn't jump into him. He shuffles to the middle a bit and even had one foot inside the mini-arc. That much contact has to be a foul.

    Knicks shot 2 Free Throws in the 2nd and 3rd quarters combined. This is why the NBA is a joke. We already know of one ref who rigged games for gamblers. Tonight was the perfect example. A non-call here, a bailout call there, suddenly guess what? Basketball is the only sport where officials actually have the power to award points to a team. In a game where the score is close, and lets be honest... Most NBA games.... it's 83-78 with 7 left in the fourth.

    Melo not getting 4 FT shots and Parsons awarded 2... That's a six point swing right there. I understand refs suck. Officiating is terrible. Worst of all major sports. But after the Ewing era, and now with Melo... We consistently have home court taken away by the refs. When Melo gets no respect and Parsons is treated like an all-star.... Hard to overcome things.

    Now, on to the game, I want to cry after every game.... Just knowing that (in a guard league) we start arguably the worst PG-SG combo in North America, and the just constantly reminds me that this team is going nowhere until we deal Shumpert for a viable PG. Felton-Shumpert were awful once again. HOw many times did Felton basically hand HOU the ball? We should contact Elias, because a world record must've been broken tonight by Raymond, for the most missed layups in a Professional career. We need to trade Shumpert and get a PG. I'll take Vazquez or Dragic plz.

    We are good with JR and Hardaway at SG. We're not winning with defense, so get a true floor general. That means more to our chances than this supposed defense Shump is purported to play.

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    Originally Posted by mafra
    I cannot fathom how stupid Woodson must be to employ the hack-a-Howard, but then not reiterate, remind, reinforce the fact that you cannot foul him with under two minutes to play.

    I am also sick and tired of playing 82 road games. We are the only team in the NBA, with a true legit star, that gets ZERO hometown calls. For example, Bargs drains a three to tie it with five to play in the fourth, crowd chanting, knicks playing defense. Shot clock down to 1. Parsons takes an off-balanced shot from outside the paint. Whistle blows. Two free throws. Really? A phantom call simply because the defender sort of exhibits a slight downward motion with his hand. This is a second year player, drafted in the second round. This isn't Kobe.

    Meanwhile, on our own home floor, I saw plenty of fouls NOT called on Melo... A star, playing on his home court, who was red hot. One drive in particular stood out: the defender had his hand on Anthony's back and blatantly swiped down on the ball, after raising hand high, then swooping down and missing. I don't recall freaking Steve Kerrr saying something then about forcing the ref to blow his whistle.

    And, on the play the HOU player hurt himself... Melo drives, and this guy isn't planted... Carmelo's lower body is clobbered by this guy, who is jumping in a shifting direction towards where Melo was attacking. He doesnt jump straight up. Melo doesn't jump into him. He shuffles to the middle a bit and even had one foot inside the mini-arc. That much contact has to be a foul.

    Knicks shot 2 Free Throws in the 2nd and 3rd quarters combined. This is why the NBA is a joke. We already know of one ref who rigged games for gamblers. Tonight was the perfect example. A non-call here, a bailout call there, suddenly guess what? Basketball is the only sport where officials actually have the power to award points to a team. In a game where the score is close, and lets be honest... Most NBA games.... it's 83-78 with 7 left in the fourth.

    Melo not getting 4 FT shots and Parsons awarded 2... That's a six point swing right there. I understand refs suck. Officiating is terrible. Worst of all major sports. But after the Ewing era, and now with Melo... We consistently have home court taken away by the refs. When Melo gets no respect and Parsons is treated like an all-star.... Hard to overcome things.

    Now, on to the game, I want to cry after every game.... Just knowing that (in a guard league) we start arguably the worst PG-SG combo in North America, and the just constantly reminds me that this team is going nowhere until we deal Shumpert for a viable PG. Felton-Shumpert were awful once again. HOw many times did Felton basically hand HOU the ball? We should contact Elias, because a world record must've been broken tonight by Raymond, for the most missed layups in a Professional career. We need to trade Shumpert and get a PG. I'll take Vazquez or Dragic plz.

    We are good with JR and Hardaway at SG. We're not winning with defense, so get a true floor general. That means more to our chances than this supposed defense Shump is purported to play.
    Woodson doesn't seem to be firm on his gameplans at all. He lets the other team control the pace of the game and doesn't adjust or make changes to stop it.

    You're so right.
    I was thinking earlier, is Carmelo really an NBA super star?

    He doesn't dunk.
    He doesn't get on the NBA highlights often, Jeff Green gets on NBA highlights more than Melo these days.
    Melo gets zero respect from the refs, I've see little Jose Juan Barea benefit from the refs more than Melo has ever tried.

    So is Melo really an NBA superstar?

    I am not questioning his talent and skill, he's top 10-15 in the NBA.

    But I think Melo is destined to lose for the rest of his career. No help from the refs, a play style that isn't fan friendly and worst of all that silly LeBron vs Melo rivarly that weights over Melo's head for the rest of his career. No matter what Melo does, he will always be looked down by LeBron.


    The NBA is almost as bad as boxing. Boxing is known to have the worst judges in the galaxy. NBA refs are getting up there in corruption and killing the hype to a game.



    Knicks back court vs our center position, what's worse right now?

    I disagree with JR and Hardaway.

    Melo already provides scoring at the perimeter. JR and Hardaway play too much isolation, it doesn't help ball movement when we already have Melo on the floor. Keep one, but not two.

    Don't give up on Shumpert yet.
    What's the rush? We're not going to compete in the playoffs this season. We'll make the playoffs, but do you honestly think we'll take 3-4 games away from teams like Indiana, Miami, Chicago etc.

    Trading Shumpert will be as foolish as trading Lee or Ariza, who are both very good starters for their teams. We draft a good player, get impatient and trade him for a rental.

    How have that worked out for us?
    It never did, it never will.

    Keep Shumpert and let him find his rhythm.
    He's really in his 2nd year in the NBA, considering he played two half seasons.
    We know Shumpert can play defense, pass the ball and shows potential to spot up shoot.
    He has a good assist to turnover ratio, he can be our modern day Doug Christie who was an excellent championship caliber SG.

    Only problem is, we don't have an all star PG to play next to Shumpert.

    Trust me...

    A PG in the mold of Chris Paul, Rubio, Westbrook, Irving or Curry would prefer to play Shumpert than JR Smith.

    Shumpert is a complimentary SG and that's important in building a great team.

    Felton is obviously the worst starting PG in the NBA, so we need a major upgrade at the PG position, plus a legit shot blocking center who can hold down the paint.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Woodson doesn't seem to be firm on his gameplans at all. He lets the other team control the pace of the game and doesn't adjust or make changes to stop it.

    You're so right.
    I was thinking earlier, is Carmelo really an NBA super star?

    He doesn't dunk.
    He doesn't get on the NBA highlights often, Jeff Green gets on NBA highlights more than Melo these days.
    Melo gets zero respect from the refs, I've see little Jose Juan Barea benefit from the refs more than Melo has ever tried.

    So is Melo really an NBA superstar?

    I am not questioning his talent and skill, he's top 10-15 in the NBA.

    But I think Melo is destined to lose for the rest of his career. No help from the refs, a play style that isn't fan friendly and worst of all that silly LeBron vs Melo rivarly that weights over Melo's head for the rest of his career. No matter what Melo does, he will always be looked down by LeBron.


    The NBA is almost as bad as boxing. Boxing is known to have the worst judges in the galaxy. NBA refs are getting up there in corruption and killing the hype to a game.



    Knicks back court vs our center position, what's worse right now?

    I disagree with JR and Hardaway.

    Melo already provides scoring at the perimeter. JR and Hardaway play too much isolation, it doesn't help ball movement when we already have Melo on the floor. Keep one, but not two.

    Don't give up on Shumpert yet.
    What's the rush? We're not going to compete in the playoffs this season. We'll make the playoffs, but do you honestly think we'll take 3-4 games away from teams like Indiana, Miami, Chicago etc.

    Trading Shumpert will be as foolish as trading Lee or Ariza, who are both very good starters for their teams. We draft a good player, get impatient and trade him for a rental.

    How have that worked out for us?
    It never did, it never will.

    Keep Shumpert and let him find his rhythm.
    He's really in his 2nd year in the NBA, considering he played two half seasons.
    We know Shumpert can play defense, pass the ball and shows potential to spot up shoot.
    He has a good assist to turnover ratio, he can be our modern day Doug Christie who was an excellent championship caliber SG.

    Only problem is, we don't have an all star PG to play next to Shumpert.

    Trust me...

    A PG in the mold of Chris Paul, Rubio, Westbrook, Irving or Curry would prefer to play Shumpert than JR Smith.

    Shumpert is a complimentary SG and that's important in building a great team.

    Felton is obviously the worst starting PG in the NBA, so we need a major upgrade at the PG position, plus a legit shot blocking center who can hold down the paint.
    I think the front office realizes what most felt was the truth in the draft a couple years ago.... Knicks needed a gritty rebounder down in the paint. Kenneth Fareid was the answer. They opted for Shump instead. Both decent, role players who do their part. I'm not giving up on Shump nor would I deal him for a rental or bench player. I only say we need to trade him because he is the only tradeable asset we have, and I think we should move while his value is highest. We are all-in to win now. I know we aren't close to good enough to compete with the elite.... But we have to try. Our only hope is to procur a legit PG. We won't get a difference maker, but if I can get a PG to help and be part of our future... I would move Shump. I'm not sure I would deal him for KF tho. It was a mistake to pass on KF then, but it would be a mistake to swap the two now. Shump is the more complete player. KF doesn't do enough to help this team. If we get a PG, fire Woodson and beg Phil to coach... We have a slight chance at a miracle. You just cannot live with the offense we're getting from our PG-SG. It's literally bottom 10 combo in the NBa right now. No matter how good Melo is.... This is a guard league.

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    woody should have been yelling to give bargs some touches.

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    debate whos better LIn or Felton has been answred again
    LIN 30 mins 2 TO's 21 pts 7/16
    Felton 40 mins 5 TO's 3/9 8pts

    prigioni played just 7 mins

    JR awful 4/16

    dont understand why Woody is keeping Felton so much time and again no Udrih


    No MELO no Barg this team is mess and disaster with no D .

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    So without Melo, Knicks win this game?

    Without Felton the Knicks win this game,,,,,,,,,,,,,We lose our center and yet our weakest spot is the PG.......PRIGS 7 minutes and Udrich 0 minutes..........Felton was so bad tonight and what does Woody due ?? He rewards him with more playing time and does not allow Prigs or Udrich to play...........I mean really how do you let that heppen....
    START EITHER PRIGS OR UDRICH AND NOT WITH FELTON.........IT IS CLEAR THAT FELTON HAS MOMENTS BUT LETS USE HIM AS A BENCH PLAYER...NOTHING TO LOSE SO MAYBE WITH A TRUE PG RUNNING THE OFFENSE WE WILL GET SOMEWHERE.....and please do not say Prigs or Udrich have not played well....they like some others have no feel of Woody and have no idea night by night if they will play or not........woody has to say the next 3-4 games Prigs is the starting PG and JR is not allowed to bring up the ball.

    and Play amare for 20 minutes and see what happens...this 10 minutes is a joke...why bother....

    FELTON SUCKS

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    Well maybe Woodson see in him parker like Pringles sees in Duhon Ray Allen every coach have own vision

    but really Felton playing simply pathetic and thats why we are losing

    Woody dont use rotations or just max 3 players MWP Prings TH


    now Hawks Pistons and Pacers and i want Pacers 10-0 @MSG that game will be again @MSG n aired by ESPN
    why i want 10-0 Pacers

    theyre playing on Heat level and after Spurs its 2nd team that this season will contend for title.

    ppl from ESPN like TIm Legler and others still will be keeping Heat side.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Asik asking to be trading from the Rockets....we need to jump on that.

    Bargnani/THjr for Asik/Garcia/Casspi


    BTW, Dolan looks like the rich dude to buy young 18 year olds and pound them out then take them out to sit next him at the Knick games.
    You are out of your mind if you think they are going to accept that trade.

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    yah Morey is the smartest GM in the league he would never deal with the Knicks unless it was to rape us. The 4th quarter of this game had me shaking my head, but least to me it proved that Dwight Howard is not a max player. If Carmelo isn't a max player, like a lot of the haters say, wtf is Dwight Howard. Carmelo can at least play in the 4th quarter. I was reading another forum and I think they are right, Dwight Howard is a rich man's Ben Wallace. That's going to become the worst contract in the NBA once his athleticism wanes.

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    Originally Posted by Whosaidthat
    You are out of your mind if you think they are going to accept that trade.
    Yea, a stretch 4 who can spread the floor for Harden and Lin isn't what Houston needs. Bargnani looked like the best big man on the floor and Asik isn't getting burn in Houston. You need to consider the situation here. Houston is trying to win now.

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    I still think that #1 problem of our team is Woodson. I would start by firing him
    Now, i guarantee you that, P.Jackson(dont think he would want to work for Dolan), J.Sloan, or eather of VanGandi brothers would get much better results from the current roster.
    Problem#2. Felton is a backup point guard at best. I would trade him in a package with Shump and anyone else not named Melo or Tyson for a real point guard. I heard that Melo wanted Rondo.
    With a real coach and a real point guard plus Melo plus Chandler plus good complimentary veterans, i think we instantly become a top 3 team in the east.

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    Originally Posted by clumsy
    yah Morey is the smartest GM in the league he would never deal with the Knicks unless it was to rape us. The 4th quarter of this game had me shaking my head, but least to me it proved that Dwight Howard is not a max player. If Carmelo isn't a max player, like a lot of the haters say, wtf is Dwight Howard. Carmelo can at least play in the 4th quarter. I was reading another forum and I think they are right, Dwight Howard is a rich man's Ben Wallace. That's going to become the worst contract in the NBA once his athleticism wanes.
    DH is overrated for sure but his contract is for 4 years and I believe his 4th yr is his option so the Rox might only have him for 3 years. Amare's contract is the worst in the league right now because you can't trade him. DH also for all his faults has at least been healthy except for the back injury.

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