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    Video Woodson's Accountability


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    Whew we .. 8 straight losses, a 1-6 record at home, and a 3-12 record at the start of the 2013-14 season.
    Do I have to mention our 2013-14 salary cap too.

    Herb Williams .. it took a decade but u finally got ur chance to be the Knicks HC for 60 something games in a season.
    Melo ur chances to win the scoring title this season is gone once Herb takes over.
    Herb Williams like his 15 yrs with the Knicks ..................

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    what are you saying, Herb has been given the team? Herb is even worse

    When when the last time a Knick asst became a head coach (aside from Woodson)....shows another reason why Woodson has no help
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    Wow, that video was painfull to watch.
    Herb Williams is horrible. He is a company man, thats the only reason he is always there.
    He has to go along with the entire coaching staff.

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    Originally Posted by petescud
    what are you saying, Herb has been given the team? Herb is even worse

    When when the last time a Knick asst became a head coach (aside from Woodson)....shows another reason why Woodson has no help
    IMO Herb defintely smells something in the air... he's changed his image recently, started being more active on the bench, you can say he knows this might be his chance.

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    I agree...Woodson is not the same coach he was when he started. When he started here he was tough nosed and didnt give a crap and then the longer he was coaching he started to develop favorites and stop holding guys accountable. Jr, Shumpert, Amare and Felton do the stupidest things on the court and still play over other guys. He does not hold these players accountable anymore

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    Well not exaclty Woodson problem is that he doesnt have proper roster

    JR -Mess
    Felton - pathetic
    STAT-Awfull all time when he will commit travel he is screaming come on

    STFU and leave this team 12 years pick and roll his game is so predictable even smaller players are blocking him

    Rotations by Woodson is also horrible he is still keeping on floor complete unproductive roster

    i dont get it why he is not giving more time MWP Udrih Prigion and JR
    why he is so insain on Felton who is ending each game with 3-5 To's and JR which scoring % is under 30%


    and read this

    Enough is too much: Do something!!!


    Everything that we built up until this point has failed us. Firing Grunwald and Chris Smith making the team was the straw that broke the camels back. It didn't help that Felton, Melo, Shump, Metta and whoever had a mic in their face all seemed to think they were going to start the season and just win because they did that last season. The sheer arrogance of these guys was led by a coach that to this day is saying he is still trying to figure out this roster. Who is to blame? The only answer to this question is EVERYBODY!!!
    Only 4 players showed up in shape and ready to play on day one. The first I'll mention is Tim Hardaway Jr. The kid broke his shooting hand in summer league and still showed up to training camp ready to steal someone's job. Aside from typical rookie mistakes, the kid has been fantastic. Another guy that I have bashed hardcore in previous blogs, Tyson Chandler, showed up in phenomenal shape. He admitted Roy Hibbert embarrassed him and it drove him to improve his body physically. To my surprise the dude brought a nice looking jumpshot and hook in the lane! That's all I asked of the guy and he finally brought that to the table. For that he has my respect. He had a freak leg injury this year so that's unfortunate. If he can come back and build upon his early success that would be great. The other two players are Carmelo Anthony and Pablo Prigioni. Priggy was picking guys up full court during preseason so he was ready. Sad he's too damn old now and just refuses to look at the rim sometimes. Melo is currently leading the league in minutes and is killing himself trying to do everything. Call him selfish if you want to be cool, but he is playing extremely hard right now. So the problem lies between the eyes of every other player that had put on a knicks uniform this year. What is the problem? That right now simply does not matter. What does matter is what management is prepared to do about it.
    First of all, Woodson and his entire coaching staff needs to be fired. There is no excuse to be unprepared like this. The team doesn't run any plays and they are putting everything on Melo. We aren't the best team but we should not be 3-12 right now. That is bull**** my friends. The blame is not all on coaching. The knicks need a point guard. Nothing to debate. Felton needs to go. He's not a champion so I don't understand the respect he's getting from this coaching staff. Beno needs to be let go as well. It's a shame the knicks tricked him into taking a pay cut only not to play him. If we can get a second round pick for Beno, trade him to a contender. I would target Isaiah Thomas immediately. He's averaging 18pts per game off the bench. Sacramento made a major move for their future by starting Ben Mclemore and trading for Derrick Williams. They made a commitment to Grievas at point guard. Isaiah Thomas is available to be had right now! We simply can't wait to get a kid that young and talented. The kid can get in the paint at will and score. He can shoot the lights out as well. He's had his best game's this season playing against Chris Paul. Youtube it if you don't believe me.
    Amare Stoudamire wants to dunk the ball and go to the hall of fame. That's all he cares about. The knicks need to Marbury this guy once and for all and look to trade him for the best deal that benefits our team. That's it. Be done with it. We are playing ourselves babying this man. He doesn't rebound or play defense. Be done with this guy. Move on and get the ball rolling with Jeremy Tyler. If someone is going to make rookie mistakes let it be a rookie. The word is Jeremy is healthy and playing unrestricted right now. Get him in uniform asap!
    By the time Tyson comes back, the knicks should have Tyler in the mix, Isaiah Thomas as the starting point, Jr Smith starting with Toure "Baby Clyde" Murry and Hardaway Jr off the bench. Bargnani is not as soft as we thought. He should be the starting 4 with Melo and Tyson. Lets get this going immediately. I understand it takes two to tango so teams have to want to trade with us. That's not my problem. Management needs to get their **** together. Excuse my language kids but this is where we are. Hire Lionel Hollins as coach and lets get it popping right now. This team is not dead yet, but the bleeding can't stop until they pull out the blade. Go Knicks!!!

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    Knicks management (Mills) shouldve been in discussion with Lionel Hollins, after the Nov. 20th loss to Pacers in the Garden that made us 1-6 at home.

    With Grunwald being demoted, who selected Chris Smith as the 15th man on the roster? Woodson
    We dont have any elite PG, we do have 3 average PG that does exactly what HC Woodson tells them to do,
    which is "give the ball to Melo, everytime Melo ask for it".

    Our 3-12 start has been showing Knicks Fans just how much Woodson, Melo, JR, and Felton, added to the 54 win season.

    Melo's been averaging "40 minutes per game (26 pts, 10 rb, 2 ast, 1 stl.), thats better than lastseason
    Felton been averaging "35 minute per game, (15 PTS, 3 rb, 5 ast, 1 stl.), little under lastseason.
    JR career has been so inconsistent his performance is expected.

    Super Star Melo gets to touch the ball on practically all our offensive-possessions.
    Kenny Smith stated, "with all the touches Melo get in a game, he should average 6 assist per game".
    Which should explain why we have no teamball, and why Knicks teammates stand around when Melo got the ball.

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    Think about it like this.

    Pringles is currently running out THIS roster for the Lakers and they're 9-8.

    PG: Steve Blake
    SG: Jodie Meeks
    SF: Wesley Johnson
    PF: Jordan Hill
    C: Pau Gasol

    And they're 9-8. We have Carmelo ****ing Anthony, arguably the best scorer in the league, and we're 3-12?

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    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    Think about it like this.

    Pringles is currently running out THIS roster for the Lakers and they're 9-8.

    PG: Steve Blake
    SG: Jodie Meeks
    SF: Wesley Johnson
    PF: Jordan Hill
    C: Pau Gasol

    And they're 9-8. We have Carmelo ****ing Anthony, arguably the best scorer in the league, and we're 3-12?
    Carmelo ****ing Antony is not arguably the best scorer. K.D. is. Melo is taking so many shots to score his points, that he forgets about his teammates. 0 assists. Thats why nobody is happy, and again, i blame Woodson for this BS.
    I am rooting for Pelicans today. Maybe that retard Dolan will fire him after 9 straight losses.
    Go Pelicans.

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    Originally Posted by groundpilot
    Carmelo ****ing Antony is not arguably the best scorer. K.D. is. Melo is taking so many shots to score his points, that he forgets about his teammates. 0 assists. Thats why nobody is happy, and again, i blame Woodson for this BS.
    I am rooting for Pelicans today. Maybe that retard Dolan will fire him after 9 straight losses.
    Go Pelicans.

    Hold on, Mike Woodson is still the coach

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    Originally Posted by groundpilot
    Carmelo ****ing Antony is not arguably the best scorer. K.D. is. Melo is taking so many shots to score his points, that he forgets about his teammates. 0 assists. Thats why nobody is happy, and again, i blame Woodson for this BS.
    I am rooting for Pelicans today. Maybe that retard Dolan will fire him after 9 straight losses.
    Go Pelicans.
    Melo has the strength to score down low. Once KD develops that (if he ever does) then he'll be the best scorer in the league.

    KD gets to the rim on drives into the paint, and uses his size and length to score or get to the line. Melo can take it off the dribble, or put his back to someone, move them, and make an attempt at the rim.

    So arguably Melo is a better scorer because he has more tools to work with. Is your argument that KD is a better scorer, because he gets to the line more, a valid one? Absolutely. That's why it's all arguable.

    By the way, Hahn and Wally talked about Melo not "selling the foul" (flopping) enough when he's fouled, so his FTAs are not nearly where they could be. Rose had a similar problem a few years ago, and made a comment about getting beat up in the lane, and having to flop to get more calls. If Melo threw his head back, threw his arms up, and get knocked off balance, and have his equilibrium completely ****ed up, on every instance of contact, his points and FG% would increase a bit (from the increase in free throw attempts).

    See LeBron from years 1-4 who powered thru contact, and just kept playing vs LeBron years 5--now who looks like he's been hit with a sledge hammer anytime contact is made.


    <--------------------- Back on Topic --------------------------->

    Woodson needs to go ASAP, and the Knicks need to capitalize on Bargs playing well, and package him in a deal..I seriously don't want to see this, but since he cost us a first round pick, and he's playing pretty solid ball, he's become one of our biggest assets...if not the only asset.

    It's time to start treating this as a lost season, and looking to see what can be done to make our pitch for Melo staying, a compelling one. Bargs would be a good piece -- but alone, he's not enough.

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    Not flopping is respectable.

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    Hey, nuckles, i am surprized that you want Melo to stay. I used to be his fan, but after watching him play here in new york, i am convinced that he is too selfish, does not or does not want to understand the team concept, not at all team oriented player, who dosnt make players around him better, just opposite.
    As i look at the current situation in the team, nobody is happy to play with him, STAT voiced his opinion, i know he is irrelevant now, but he was right about lack of ball movement. It was a straight shot at Melo, and i think he was reflecting the mood of the whole team. Tyson said the same thing last year, expressed his frastration about running the floor, to only wach MELO and JR (Melo requested to bring him here btw) dribbling and shooting like their teammates dont exist.
    If you give him the max contract, and build the team around him, to satisfy his style of play, dont you think its too risky?
    I would trade him, while he is still highly regarded in this league for an elite point guard and go from there.
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    maybe Woodson should try Kidd's trick?


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