dont compare last season Knicks we had Sheed and J Kidd Thomas and 6th man JR
now we got dribbler and slump Felton JR
and Celtics raped us without Rondo
For me Woodson lost this team already
next game [if he will stay] vs NEts when D-Will Pierce and Terry will be availalbe i dont think Knicks will win if they will be playing like that.
Unless this noon game was hangover game .
Raptors are trading their overpaid chucker Rudy Gay for a bunch of scrubs. Ujiri has balls making that trade but it was the right move, now do the Knicks have the balls to admit they need to rebuild and trade Melo to get something in return for him while they can.
1. Our starting PG/SG duo combined for a grand total of ZERO points (0-12), to go with 2 assists and 2 rebounds. BOS got 36 points (12-25), 9 assists and 13 rebounds from their starting guards. (Bradley-Crawford). Toss in the 10 points BOS got from Lee, and then subtract the 3 points we got from 6th-man-Smith...
Our top 3 guards combined to make 1 shot, while missing 17. BOS's top 3 dawgs shot 50% from the field (16-32). In other words, we were outscored 46-3 in this match-up. Again, we have to come to the realization that practically every game we play... we are at a disadvantage because the other team has the better backcourt. In fact, most nights it's miles apart. Sure, once every 13 games we'll catch lightning in a bottle and drain 12-23 from downtown... But, most games... It's nothing on offense, and then that gets compounded b/c it's more nothing on defense. Our guards cannot shoot, they do not create for others, they play no defense; a fast break bucket is virtually a near-extinct mythological beast.
If your QB sucks and your SP is lousy... You look ten times worse than what your team really is. Felton was terrible. BOS went up by 30. He left game, we cut lead to 17. He returned lead goes back up to 30. By half, team is dejected and gave up. Priggs should start, Beno and Murry get burn, Felton should be relegated to cheerleader role. This team needs to trade for a PG ASAP. Unfortunately, Vazquez just got dealt.
2. Knicks radio announcers stated it best, when the play-by-play guy asked the color commentator, what he would do when his team fell behind by 20 so early in a game. Color guy goes: "Coach would never allow it. He would call timeout after timeout if he had to. It just wouldn't get this bad this quickly." The issues are deeper than Woodson. Certainly this is a roster problem. Still, the front office is telling teams the coach is impeding the development of Shumpert. He's lost this team. He must be sacrificed. At least D'antoni resigned when he realized he lost the team. Woody must pay for this.
3. The Knicks are making it easy for Carmelo to walk. Knicks are going to be such a disgrace that even most of his harshest critics wont bemoan that Melo is fleeing NY. They'll admit he failed here, but nobody will claim he's running away. He's just jumping off a sinking ship. 14 years after Ewing era, baby Dolan will try to rebuild again. Lucky us.
Anyone who wants to trade Shumpert is hilarious to me.
Like Paul said, we got rid of dead weight. They were useless. Bench warmers. Kidd was playing at shooting guard position(why not at point guard, i will never know) and was very effective in the beginning of the season because he was hitting 3s. Then he lost his shooting touch and became useless. We traded Copeland, our second best offensive player, but this coach turned him into a bench warmer for no reason.
We actually got better players instead of that dead weight and should be playing better bball.
This team is disfunctional for other reasons which i am not going to discuss in this thread.
That so-call dead weight (Old-Heads) were a Dynamic coaching-staff for a LOSER Knicks organization.
They took a LOSER Big-3 team with a 8-15 record in (2011-12), and this same LOSER Big-3 team with a 5-14 record now .. on a decent 54 win season in 2012-13.
Here are a few things the dead-weight Old-Heads brought to the Knicks lastseason:
1) Kept the lockerroom professional and discipline
2) Brang over 14 yrs experience to players/coaches in game situation
3) Kept teammates together during the 48 minute of ball-hoggin from ISO-Melo-JR
4) Stop high potential teammates from swinging at each other or glass
5) Started the season 18-5, and ended the season 17-6
6) The dead-weight seen NO future with the ISO-Melo Knicks, so they bowed-out at the end of the regular season.
I agree with Kiya. Those older veterans were big reasons in why I was confident in the team a lot of last season.
Kidd was a SUPERSTAR in several games.
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Cope is playing 80% less time than in Knicks
Novak was playing 3 minutes in tight games and 10-15 in blow outs
Knicks right now scored 3 blow outs @ MSG Hawks Spurs Celtics can u remember when it happen last time in such shor period?
Worst dissapoitment is JR he was really good last year but now he is @ Felton level.
Kidd was Knicks 2nd coach they were listen him more than Woodson
count how many games played Camby for Knicks last year and compare it to Sheed
this team is not working due reasons
Woodson is keeping Felton like Danotni Duhon
he wont let Murry or Udrih unless Felton is injured dont mention Prigioni and his D i dont get Woodson dont see that.
Knicks will probably score next blow out vs OKC @ MSG they just stopped Pacers
OKC one of the fastest teams in NBA right now.
Woodson is showing his true colors here and maybe this team just has too many bad eggs to work out
"The Knicks are back" - Amare
Woodson is incapable to provide that leadership and noone else on this team is capable to do that.
If Melo thinks he is a superstar and commands max contract, now is the time to step up. But i am afraid its not in him. He is not a leader by nature and he showed it throughout his career
He only played about 100 games into his career.
We're going to quit on our main prospect into 100 games of his career?
Is this what we become as fans?
Do you remember Trevor Ariza? We let him go for nothing. He turned out to be one of the better two SF's in the NBA and developed a 3pt shot.
Shumpert already has a 3pt shot.
He has potential to improve his handling, passing and overall defense.
I don't think he'll ever be a superstar.
But what Shumpert will be is an important piece to a WINNING franchise.
He can fit the Danny Green/Raja Bell role perfectly.
He has the attitude, personality and confidence to do it.
You can him inconsistent now into about 100 games in his career, but what will you call Iman in 2015? 2017?
Knicks trade Iman away to a team that becomes contendant and you will realize what you gave up on.
Players like that you never let go, they're the piece for the formula of winning. Always have been and always will be.
Iman hasn't had a great season this year, but he has attributes that can produce months when he'll average 12-14 ppg, 3-4 ASP with great defense.
Theres like 4-5 months of the season, be more patient. You've giving up in the first two months...not even two months really.
Any Knick fan who gives up on Shumpert just reminds me of the fans that gave up on Trevor Ariza, just shameful and embarrassing.
Metro, i agree about Shump. He is a keeper. Yes, he is inconsistent, but so is everybody else on this team.
His development as a bball player was interrupted by serious injuries, and it takes time for a young player to show his full potential.
His confidence and fiery personality in addition to his impressive athletic ability is an asset and can not be dismissed.
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I agree, metro. It's sad to see any young guy on this team the way it's currently run. Let's take Kawhi Leanord. Could you imagine him being drafted and developed on this team? I'm not saying he'd have struggled a lot, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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