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    The Phoenix Suns are looking to trade one or more draft picks in the 2014 NBA Draft for a proven star player who can make an immediate impact.The Suns will have as many as four picks in June's draft and are not placing them off limits in potential trades.

    “I think one of the things that’s important for people to realize is that we may not draft four players even if we have four picks,” Ryan McDonough said. “Our preference would probably be to maybe package a few of them. We’re obviously all looking for stars and we feel like we can put together a package as good, if not better, than any other team in the league if and when a star becomes available.


    "That’s kind of generally what we’ve wanted to do, not only with our draft-pick situation but also with the cap space that we’ve acquired.”



    I posted this here because this is where most of the traffic resides although it's somewhat Off-Topic and then again it's not.


    Listen this is a squad who's trying to position themselves to make the playoffs. Sarver wants to be able to make money too. This is also the same franchise who lusted Shumpert last year rumored deal of Dudley and a couple second rounders.

    This may be our only chance to break the Melo shackles off. They have some pieces and assets we definitely could use. They have a mother load of picks


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    We could probably dump Carmelo/Amar'e/Shumpert for Jokafor/Dragic/Frye/Gerald Green and picks. We have to try and get this done. This is our notice to change our course. It may very well be our last chance to do so.
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    Originally Posted by 3G4G



    I posted this here because this is where most of the traffic resides although it's somewhat Off-Topic and then again it's not.


    Listen this is a squad who's trying to position themselves to make the playoffs. Sarver wants to be able to make money too. This is also the same franchise who lusted Shumpert last year rumored deal of Dudley and a couple second rounders.

    This may be our only chance to break the Melo shackles off. They have some pieces and assets we definitely could use. They have a mother load of picks


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    We could probably dump Carmelo/Amar'e/Shumpert for Jokafor/Dragic/Frye/Gerald Green and picks. We have to try and get this done. This is our notice to change our course. It may very well be our last chance to do so.

    Suns are and will be a young team....They are not looking for Carmelo Anthony as the answer to a star player...If the Suns get lucky in the draft do you really think that they want Parker or Wiggins having to play on a team with Melo as their leader.........Of course if we can 2 first round draft picks for Melo/Shump and salaries that expire we should do it in a hearbeat,,,,,,Nobody wants Melo unless they jabe another star that can handle him...

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    Suns are and will be a young team....They are not looking for Carmelo Anthony as the answer to a star player...If the Suns get lucky in the draft do you really think that they want Parker or Wiggins having to play on a team with Melo as their leader.........Of course if we can 2 first round draft picks for Melo/Shump and salaries that expire we should do it in a hearbeat,,,,,,Nobody wants Melo unless they jabe another star that can handle him...

    Apparently you didn't read and comprehend well. The whole reason of them making a trade right now for a star is to make the playoffs. They're not really trying to win the Lottery. The odds of them winning it, where they would likely end up not making a trade is slim because they have a good enough team to not suck really bad.

    THEY WANT TO WIN NOW!!!!!

    Bledsoe
    Shumpert
    Melo
    Morris
    Plumlee

    That team should be capable of making the playoffs as they currently sit 13-9(6th seed)

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    I agree, just remember though, the rookies usually take a few years to make an impact. Are you ok with a few mediocre seasons to rebuild. Maybe i'm wrong, but, has to beat this BS we're used to now. Plus we'll still have JR's sad ass, lol

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    I'd like for the Knicks' medical staff to be on the level of the Suns'.

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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    Apparently you didn't read and comprehend well. The whole reason of them making a trade right now for a star is to make the playoffs. They're not really trying to win the Lottery. The odds of them winning it, where they would likely end up not making a trade is slim because they have a good enough team to not suck really bad.

    THEY WANT TO WIN NOW!!!!!

    Bledsoe
    Shumpert
    Melo
    Morris
    Plumlee

    That team should be capable of making the playoffs as they currently sit 13-9(6th seed)
    I am sorry let me be more clear. I do NOT think Carmelo Anthony is the Star player that the Suns are looking for. Melo does not act as a leader and on a young upcoming team this is not the star the suns want......I apologize if this does not agree with your statement.

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    We shouldn't trade Shumpert at all. Let's keep all our young guys. We want picks because we want young guys, I don't want there to be a cycle of sending them for picks for other young guys. I want to add youth to the ones we already have, whom have potential, and Shumpert has a load of it.

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    Suns are and will be a young team....They are not looking for Carmelo Anthony as the answer to a star player...If the Suns get lucky in the draft do you really think that they want Parker or Wiggins having to play on a team with Melo as their leader.........Of course if we can 2 first round draft picks for Melo/Shump and salaries that expire we should do it in a hearbeat,,,,,,Nobody wants Melo unless they jabe another star that can handle him...
    Let us not stand on ceremony, Mr. Skisloper.
    This post is 100% bias, no facts.

    Give your sources that "Nobody wants Melo"

    Melo is averaging about 26 points per game and 10 rebounds per game, with almost 3 assist(should be 4-5 because he's been passing it a lot to Felton and Smith all year long but they haven't made shots) 1.1 steals and 0.5 blocks per game.

    Melo is as big as a star you're going to get in the NBA.

    Stop acting like theres 15 players out there better than him, because they are not. You cannot name them, so don't waste our time with these kind of post.

    We need a more productive way of thinking, we get it you don't like Anthony...but why do we have to read the same thing every time?

    The thing you're most wrong about is you're acting like Wiggins and Parker are better than Anthony.

    Anthony as a Freshman at da 'Cuse averaged
    22.2 points per game
    10.0 rebounds per game
    2.2 assist per game
    1.6 steals per game
    1.0 blocks per game

    He led Syracuse as a LEADER to a championship.

    This is one of the greatest seasons by any Freshman in NCAA history.

    Until Wiggins and Parker do that, then you can speak of them in the same sentence as Melo.
    Which is funny because Wiggins right now looks like Rudy Gay and Parker looks like Carmelo Anthony Lite.

    Why would Suns pass up on the real thing just to have their team waiting for those two guys to take 2-3 years to become all stars and thats if they become all stars and avoid injuries.

    Suns already have a great team now. Why wait till 2018 to be good?

    Miami Heat is about to break up soon since Bosh and Wade will be passed their prime next season and a lot of contracts expire.
    Duncan and Ginobili are bound to retire soon if Spurs dont win a championship.
    Only teams Suns have to worry about are Indiana, Portland, Thunder, Clippers and Warriors.

    Phoenix is 13-9, 2nd in the Pacific Division behind the fraudulent Clippers who rely on CP3 for everything.

    Suns have everything the Knicks don't have.

    Shooting.
    Point guards.
    Defense.
    Big men who can hit 3's.
    Rebounders.

    Put Melo on that team and they'll be the top team in the Pacific division for 3-4 years under Melo.

    You gotta hold that Skis, these are the facts.

    1. Okafor has a HUGE expiring contract that will help us clear a lot of cap space
    2. Phoenix has an abundance of draft picks so we can rebuild and start this team over
    3. Phoenix can definitely upgrade in talent without giving up their main core players (Bledsoe, Dragic, Plumlee, the Morris bros)

    Trade scenario 1.



    Phoenix receives
    Phoenix Suns Trade Breakdown
    Change in Team Outlook: +1.5 ppg, +1.6 rpg, and +0.6 apg.

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    New York Knicks Trade Breakdown
    Change in Team Outlook: -1.5 ppg, -1.6 rpg, and -0.6 apg.

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    +

    Minnesota's 2014 first round pick
    Lakers 2016 and 2018 first round pick that Phoenix currently owns
    Washington's 2014 First round pick
    Phoenix 2014 First round pick


    Most of these draft picks won't be lottery so the Knicks will need to have many just to build a team of solid players.
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    Originally Posted by petescud
    I agree, just remember though, the rookies usually take a few years to make an impact. Are you ok with a few mediocre seasons to rebuild. Maybe i'm wrong, but, has to beat this BS we're used to now. Plus we'll still have JR's sad ass, lol

    Because they are rookies is the reason to be patient. Meanwhile being patient with players who have been in the league 12yrs and want $30mil/yr naaaaaahhhhh…..

    Jadakiss…."I'm Outta My Patience"

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    We shouldn't trade Shumpert at all. Let's keep all our young guys. We want picks because we want young guys, I don't want there to be a cycle of sending them for picks for other young guys. I want to add youth to the ones we already have, whom have potential, and Shumpert has a load of it.
    I'm okay adding Shumpert hence asking for Dragic and expanding the deal. Remember they covet him. They have enough to compensate for the loss of Shumpert. We have to stop overrating Shumpert's value. Goodness gracious he shot like 3 air balls yesterday against the Celtics. He's not that good.

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    Suns could look like

    PG - Dragic/Smith
    SG - Bledsoe/Green/Goodwin
    SF - Anthony/Tucker/Marcus M.
    PF - Markieff M./Frye
    C - Plumlee/Lex







    This is where it gets crazy but hear me out here

    New York Knicks Trade Breakdown

    KNICKS RECEIVE

    UTAH's 2014 First Round Pick
    LA Lakers future first round pick (iono when's their next pick)

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    Utah recieves
    Utah Jazz Trade Breakdown
    Change in Team Outlook: -9.5 ppg, -7.2 rpg, and -2.7 apg.

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    Lakers receive

    Los Angeles Lakers Trade Breakdown
    Change in Team Outlook: -10.6 ppg, -7.1 rpg, and -7.3 apg.

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    We block the F up.
    Completely.
    I love Iman Shumpert, but for the price of a bunch of expiring contracts that will put us under the cap for 2014 and 2015 and the potential to have the #1 pick in 2014, it'll speed up our rebuilding process.


    Lakers new squad

    PG - Farmer/Felton/Lucas
    SG - Shumpert/Young
    SF - Kobe/Johnson/Henry
    PF - Stoudemire/Shawne Williams
    C - Chandler/Sacre

    This is a kind of team that would work well under D'Antoni...not too many guys demanding the ball from Kobe and they get a young SG in Shumpert and upgrade at center with Chandler.


    Utah will look like

    PG - Burke/Garrett
    SG - Hayward/Burks
    SF - Jefferson/Rush
    PF - Bargnani/Harris
    C - Favors/Kanter/Grobert

    Utah has enough young players as it is (Burke, Hayward, Favors, Kanter, Grobert) Kanter has been a disappointment and Jazz have no shooters besides Hayward at the moment. They have other draft picks to get a good player so they don't lose anything and Bargnani will upgrade their offense because they don't have a big man they can run the pick and roll with since Favors and Kanter aren't experienced in that style, they're more iso big men types, Favors being closer to pick and roll play but not a strong mid range jumper.



    The Knicks.

    PG - Nash/Blake/Prigioni
    SG -
    Hardaway Jr./JR Smith/Murray
    SF -
    World Peace/Gerald G./Marvin W.
    PF -
    Gasol/Hill/Frye
    C -
    Kaman/Okafor/Len

    Knicks will have an entire roster expiring contracts except JR. Smith which isn't even that large of a contract.

    Knicks will have Len and Tim Hardaway Jr as their prospects along with Draft picks in the future to build off of with the addition of

    Utah's 2014 first rounder
    Washington's 2014 first rounder
    Phoenix's 2014 first rounder
    Minnesota's 2014 first rounder

    along with future first from the Lakers.

    Knicks will acquire so many veterans that this team may very well compete, play together to the level that Denver won't get our first round pick.

    Knicks can sign these veterans to a vet min in 2014 to have a solid team but still be under the cap.

    To blow up this sh*t team to have a fresh start, new young players and hope for the future...you have to give up everything to invest in a future because we have nothing right now.

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    Slow it down on trade checker overdosing…..First of all those multi-player(15-20) multi-team trades rarely if ever happen. Second of all this is very serious for us to contemplate, as Dec 15th approaches in a matter of hours.

    What's so depressing is this….considering what Phx currently has and where we're so inept at.

    Take a look at these stats lines below…look at them long and hard….blink as many times as it takes….if your jaw drops that's okay….if you shake your head Scooby Doo style go ahead

    Season Stats The far for their backcourt

    Dragic : 49% FG, 35% 3P, 80% FT, 19 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 6.2 APG, 1.0 SPG, 0.3 BPG
    Bledsoe: 49% FG, 35% 3P, 80% FT, 19.2 PPG, 4.1 RPG, 6.3 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.3 BPG


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    to put into perspective what cap space will look like for us

    2014 Free Agents


    Centers
    Chris Bosh
    Spencer Hawes
    Marcin Gortat
    Anderson Varejao
    Samuel Dalembert
    Kosta Koufus
    Chris Anderson

    PF
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Elton Brand
    Boris Diaw
    DeJaun Blair
    Amir Johnson
    Jason Smith
    Aminu
    Earl Clark

    SF
    LeBron James(early termination option)
    Luol Deng
    Shawn Marion
    Trevor Ariza
    Danny Granger

    SG
    Dwayne Wade (early termination option)
    Lance Stephenson
    Ray Allen
    Thabo Sefolosha
    Jamal Crawford
    Francisco Garcia
    Vince Carter
    Ben Gordon
    Marshon Brooks
    Brandon Rush
    Shane Battier

    PG
    Tony Parker
    Jameer Nelson
    Kyle Lowry
    Andre Miller
    Nate Robinson
    Jeryd Bayless
    Luke Ridnour
    Patty Mills
    Kirk Hinrich
    Jimmer Fredette
    DJ Augustin
    Devin Harris
    Ramon Session
    Toney Douglas
    Shaun Livingston
    Aaron Brooks
    Jordan Farmar
    Nick Calathes

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    It's just a projection at what the Knicks can aim for, I'm theorizing. We definitely need to move Carmelo at Phoenix whatever the price may be. A future first and expiring contracts + Len is enough for me, how about you?

    Let Phoenix be a beast with their deep front court and god-like backcourt, I just hope we can finally move on to the future and stop this madness. I would hate for the Knicks to pass on this opportunity.

    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    Slow it down on trade checker overdosing…..First of all those multi-player(15-20) multi-team trades rarely if ever happen. Second of all this is very serious for us to contemplate, as Dec 15th approaches in a matter of hours.

    What's so depressing is this….considering what Phx currently has and where we're so inept at.

    Take a look at these stats lines below…look at them long and hard….blink as many times as it takes….if your jaw drops that's okay….if you shake your head Scooby Doo style go ahead

    Season Stats The far for their backcourt

    Dragic : 49% FG, 35% 3P, 80% FT, 19 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 6.2 APG, 1.0 SPG, 0.3 BPG
    Bledsoe: 49% FG, 35% 3P, 80% FT, 19.2 PPG, 4.1 RPG, 6.3 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.3 BPG


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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    It's just a projection at what the Knicks can aim for, I'm theorizing. We definitely need to move Carmelo at Phoenix whatever the price may be. A future first and expiring contracts + Len is enough for me, how about you?

    Let Phoenix be a beast with their deep front court and god-like backcourt, I just hope we can finally move on to the future and stop this madness. I would hate for the Knicks to pass on this opportunity.
    After reading the rest of McDonough's comments he gave the profile of what they're looking for. Sounds like it's Blake Griffin/Kevin Love. He said a player who's in his mid 20s and they can see being a Sun for yrs to come.

    We still should blow their phone up but man it's going to be hard trying to trade Melo. Our brain trust doesn't want to trade him either which is so asinine.

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