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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Let us not stand on ceremony, Mr. Skisloper.
    This post is 100% bias, no facts.

    Give your sources that "Nobody wants Melo"

    Melo is averaging about 26 points per game and 10 rebounds per game, with almost 3 assist(should be 4-5 because he's been passing it a lot to Felton and Smith all year long but they haven't made shots) 1.1 steals and 0.5 blocks per game.

    Melo is as big as a star you're going to get in the NBA.

    Stop acting like theres 15 players out there better than him, because they are not. You cannot name them, so don't waste our time with these kind of post.

    We need a more productive way of thinking, we get it you don't like Anthony...but why do we have to read the same thing every time?

    The thing you're most wrong about is you're acting like Wiggins and Parker are better than Anthony.

    Anthony as a Freshman at da 'Cuse averaged
    22.2 points per game
    10.0 rebounds per game
    2.2 assist per game
    1.6 steals per game
    1.0 blocks per game

    He led Syracuse as a LEADER to a championship.

    This is one of the greatest seasons by any Freshman in NCAA history.

    Until Wiggins and Parker do that, then you can speak of them in the same sentence as Melo.
    Which is funny because Wiggins right now looks like Rudy Gay and Parker looks like Carmelo Anthony Lite.

    Why would Suns pass up on the real thing just to have their team waiting for those two guys to take 2-3 years to become all stars and thats if they become all stars and avoid injuries.

    Suns already have a great team now. Why wait till 2018 to be good?

    Miami Heat is about to break up soon since Bosh and Wade will be passed their prime next season and a lot of contracts expire.
    Duncan and Ginobili are bound to retire soon if Spurs dont win a championship.
    Only teams Suns have to worry about are Indiana, Portland, Thunder, Clippers and Warriors.

    Phoenix is 13-9, 2nd in the Pacific Division behind the fraudulent Clippers who rely on CP3 for everything.

    Suns have everything the Knicks don't have.

    Shooting.
    Point guards.
    Defense.
    Big men who can hit 3's.
    Rebounders.

    Put Melo on that team and they'll be the top team in the Pacific division for 3-4 years under Melo.

    You gotta hold that Skis, these are the facts.

    1. Okafor has a HUGE expiring contract that will help us clear a lot of cap space
    2. Phoenix has an abundance of draft picks so we can rebuild and start this team over
    3. Phoenix can definitely upgrade in talent without giving up their main core players (Bledsoe, Dragic, Plumlee, the Morris bros)

    Trade scenario 1.



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    Most of these draft picks won't be lottery so the Knicks will need to have many just to build a team of solid players.
    Of course my thoughts are bias no different then yours....
    Metro I said in the past and will repeat....I do not think teams after seeing Melo only twice getting out of the first round of players, at age 30 , unable to finish games, and he himself admitting his way of taking so many shots is NOT a player the Suns want to pay a max salary to.......If Melo is willing to take less money I think alot of teams would take him..............I hope I am wrong and the suns take Melo.........

    Your undeniable love in Melo's game as an all around all star is a bit over the top for me.,....

    Listen 90% of the people on this board wanted JR and actually beleived we got him cheap despite no team offering him a deal.....I guess if and when Melo tests free agency we will see that either I am right and he is NOT offered a max contract or you are right and MAX contract is offered...u agree with that ?

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Let us not stand on ceremony, Mr. Skisloper.
    This post is 100% bias, no facts.

    Give your sources that "Nobody wants Melo"

    Melo is averaging about 26 points per game and 10 rebounds per game, with almost 3 assist(should be 4-5 because he's been passing it a lot to Felton and Smith all year long but they haven't made shots) 1.1 steals and 0.5 blocks per game.

    Melo is as big as a star you're going to get in the NBA.

    Stop acting like theres 15 players out there better than him, because they are not. You cannot name them, so don't waste our time with these kind of post.

    We need a more productive way of thinking, we get it you don't like Anthony...but why do we have to read the same thing every time?

    The thing you're most wrong about is you're acting like Wiggins and Parker are better than Anthony.

    Anthony as a Freshman at da 'Cuse averaged
    22.2 points per game
    10.0 rebounds per game
    2.2 assist per game
    1.6 steals per game
    1.0 blocks per game

    He led Syracuse as a LEADER to a championship.

    This is one of the greatest seasons by any Freshman in NCAA history.

    Until Wiggins and Parker do that, then you can speak of them in the same sentence as Melo.
    Which is funny because Wiggins right now looks like Rudy Gay and Parker looks like Carmelo Anthony Lite.

    Why would Suns pass up on the real thing just to have their team waiting for those two guys to take 2-3 years to become all stars and thats if they become all stars and avoid injuries.

    Suns already have a great team now. Why wait till 2018 to be good?

    Miami Heat is about to break up soon since Bosh and Wade will be passed their prime next season and a lot of contracts expire.
    Duncan and Ginobili are bound to retire soon if Spurs dont win a championship.
    Only teams Suns have to worry about are Indiana, Portland, Thunder, Clippers and Warriors.

    Phoenix is 13-9, 2nd in the Pacific Division behind the fraudulent Clippers who rely on CP3 for everything.

    Suns have everything the Knicks don't have.

    Shooting.
    Point guards.
    Defense.
    Big men who can hit 3's.
    Rebounders.

    Put Melo on that team and they'll be the top team in the Pacific division for 3-4 years under Melo.

    You gotta hold that Skis, these are the facts.

    1. Okafor has a HUGE expiring contract that will help us clear a lot of cap space
    2. Phoenix has an abundance of draft picks so we can rebuild and start this team over
    3. Phoenix can definitely upgrade in talent without giving up their main core players (Bledsoe, Dragic, Plumlee, the Morris bros)

    Trade scenario 1.



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    Washington's 2014 First round pick
    Phoenix 2014 First round pick


    Most of these draft picks won't be lottery so the Knicks will need to have many just to build a team of solid players.

    So Metro would u rather enter the season with Wiggins possibly for the next 14 years or a 31 year old Melo ???

    Dude u keep shoving Melos stats over and over....he will be 32 years old....

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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    After reading the rest of McDonough's comments he gave the profile of what they're looking for. Sounds like it's Blake Griffin/Kevin Love. He said a player who's in his mid 20s and they can see being a Sun for yrs to come.

    We still should blow their phone up but man it's going to be hard trying to trade Melo. Our brain trust doesn't want to trade him either which is so asinine.
    Metro see not so bias...GM says what I say.

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    Metro see not so bias...GM says what I say.

    Maybe the Clippers Trade Collison and Griffin to us for Melo .......Clippers could use Melo and with Paul and Rivers leading Melo will be in a perfect situation.....We take Griffin and trade him to the Suns for 3 first rounders and some expiring contyracts.....

    Clippers have Melo in a win now scenario
    Suns have Griffin who they want...
    Knicks have expiring contracts and 3 first rounders....

    And Metro its not about who is best today.......Whether Wiggins or Parker would be as good or Melo or better is not my concern....They are young players that we can build around....The goal is to win an NBA championship for the Knicks not Melo.......In our, the knicks current state we can never win with Melo....

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    So Metro would u rather enter the season with Wiggins possibly for the next 14 years or a 31 year old Melo ???

    Dude u keep shoving Melos stats over and over....he will be 32 years old....
    How many Andrew Wiggins games have you sat down and watched?

    Let's hear you breakdown Andrew Wiggins without Google.com

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    Of course my thoughts are bias no different then yours....
    Metro I said in the past and will repeat....I do not think teams after seeing Melo only twice getting out of the first round of players, at age 30 , unable to finish games, and he himself admitting his way of taking so many shots is NOT a player the Suns want to pay a max salary to.......If Melo is willing to take less money I think alot of teams would take him..............I hope I am wrong and the suns take Melo.........

    Your undeniable love in Melo's game as an all around all star is a bit over the top for me.,....

    Listen 90% of the people on this board wanted JR and actually beleived we got him cheap despite no team offering him a deal.....I guess if and when Melo tests free agency we will see that either I am right and he is NOT offered a max contract or you are right and MAX contract is offered...u agree with that ?
    Stop repeating, all your points have been proven wrong not only by me but by others.
    Melo isn't one player on a team. Nuggets only getting out of the West twice is a team concern. Not an individual concern, you have an extremely poor understanding on sports.
    You're probably the type of guy to think and say "The Quarterback won the game."; even if the score of the game was 14-10.

    Before last season, Melo was by far the most clutch player in the NBA in clutch situations. The whole clutch thing is overrated anyway. "Unable to finish games" LMAO, how many players in the NBA can finish games that aren't top 5 players? Melo more than has the ability to finish games, but his teammates need to finish with him. If guys aren't going to move without the ball, Melo can't do anything but go iso and that's a low% situation.

    Amare has his best games when he's moving off the pick and roll and Melo will gladly assist him. Imagine what Melo can do with a legit big man when Amare isn't even a top 30 big man.

    Suns would rather pay max salary to Blake Griffin? LOL...you sound like you don't even know how Blake Griffin plays beyond his highlights. Melo is a better player than Blake, Suns have a weakness at SF and Anthony can address it.

    Anthony has 4-5 years left in him to play at a high level.
    So does Blake Griffin.
    Blake Griffin's game is 100% athleticism. Players like that don't even last by 28 years old. Forget 30. Anthony doesn't need athleticism to be extremely effective so he will always be good.

    You're willing to pay Blake Griffin the max but not Melo, even knowing Blake Griffin has a history of injuries in his low extremity? You're extremely dumb.

    Melo is a MAX player, you can't even name 10 guys in the NBA who can average 26 and 10 right now free.
    However, a 5 year deal is stupid to any player that isn't 21-23.

    Melo should get 3-4 years max to any team he decides to stay with.
    This is the NBA you fool, guys like Channing Frye get paid big bucks. Keep dreaming and keeping yourself distant from reality because the reality is Melo is getting paid. I'm glad he is too just because it burns you inside.

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    Metro see not so bias...GM says what I say.
    Yea, the worst GM's agree with you 100%. Top GM's would think you're a clown.

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    Maybe the Clippers Trade Collison and Griffin to us for Melo .......Clippers could use Melo and with Paul and Rivers leading Melo will be in a perfect situation.....We take Griffin and trade him to the Suns for 3 first rounders and some expiring contyracts.....

    Clippers have Melo in a win now scenario
    Suns have Griffin who they want...
    Knicks have expiring contracts and 3 first rounders....

    And Metro its not about who is best today.......Whether Wiggins or Parker would be as good or Melo or better is not my concern....They are young players that we can build around....The goal is to win an NBA championship for the Knicks not Melo.......In our, the knicks current state we can never win with Melo....
    That works, whatever it takes to get the Knicks cap space and picks.

    You sound misinformed about Wiggins and Parker.
    First, before you ever type those surnames, do your research on the players and only speak of them after the 2013-14 NCAA season.
    These guys haven't even played 20 games yet but you're trying to convince the forum that they'll be able to lead a franchise, finish NBA games and get their team passed the first round every season.
    I think Wiggins and Parker will be good, but if you're going to have the same expectations on those prospects as you do with Melo, prepare to be disappointed and looking foolish.
    Your reason for this is that they're young players, no scouting report on their game or how they would impact this team more than Anthony himself.
    Your post are unproductive with no information or insight just feelings.
    "That player is young, we should get him, Melo is going to be 30, he isn't worth the max"
    Your logic doesn't get anymore retarded right now.
    Keep it up, you're breaking records here.

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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    After reading the rest of McDonough's comments he gave the profile of what they're looking for. Sounds like it's Blake Griffin/Kevin Love. He said a player who's in his mid 20s and they can see being a Sun for yrs to come.

    We still should blow their phone up but man it's going to be hard trying to trade Melo. Our brain trust doesn't want to trade him either which is so asinine.
    I think we should work something with the Clips and Phoenix. Both teams are top in the pacific and want to improve.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    That works, whatever it takes to get the Knicks cap space and picks.

    You sound misinformed about Wiggins and Parker.
    First, before you ever type those surnames, do your research on the players and only speak of them after the 2013-14 NCAA season.
    These guys haven't even played 20 games yet but you're trying to convince the forum that they'll be able to lead a franchise, finish NBA games and get their team passed the first round every season.
    I think Wiggins and Parker will be good, but if you're going to have the same expectations on those prospects as you do with Melo, prepare to be disappointed and looking foolish.
    Your reason for this is that they're young players, no scouting report on their game or how they would impact this team more than Anthony himself.
    Your post are unproductive with no information or insight just feelings.
    "That player is young, we should get him, Melo is going to be 30, he isn't worth the max"
    Your logic doesn't get anymore retarded right now.
    Keep it up, you're breaking records here.


    Wiggins reminds me a lot of Durant......In the few games I have watched him as well as live at the Jordan Classic he does not seem to play with heavy intensity........Of course I listen to the scouting reports the experts ...Unlike you as much as I watch basketball I do like to take the advise of those in the business....not all but the majority is a good way to go.......Wiggins or Parker represent youth and we the Knicks have tried the route of bringing in players , trading picks away but never building through the draft......Last time we did we had 3 players Frye, Lee and Nate.......rather then build around that we traded everything or let eveything go always in search of something better while sacrificing what we have.....

    It was mentioned Pheonix would like a Love or Griffin I did not say I would.......My plan was trading melo, getting Griffin and using him to obtain 3 first rounders.....

    I was all for bring Melo to the Knicks.....It has been very exciting watching Melo and if he was 25 I would say sign him to a Max deal and build around him.....But again at age 30 I question what Melo has left in the tank....Will have what is needed to play defense .......

    Listen I am not questioning if Melo is one of the best scorers , I am not questioning if Melo should have received a max contract from the Knicks....I am questioning whether Melo deserves a MAX DEAL NOW....

    And you are right Wiggins, Parker and whoever else is not proven and comparing them to Melo in your eyes is wrong.........But when guys Like Durant get drafted nobody knows for sure how they wiill perform in the NBA does not mean you do not take a chance...SO YES....if i could get wiggins and give up Melo I would take the chances in a heartbeat............and I promise you the majority of the GM's all equal would take Wiggins for the next 4 years with his price tag over Melo.....see u keep talking about Melo but u need to include opportunity cost,

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    Kevin Durant?

    Kevin Durant in college:
    25.8 PPG
    11.1 RPG
    1.3 APG
    1.9 SPG
    1.9 BPG
    47% FG
    40% 3PT
    81% FT

    Andrew Wiggins
    16.4 PPG
    6.1 RPG
    1.3 APG
    1.0 SPG
    0.8 BPG
    50% FG
    36% 3PT
    70% FT

    I wouldn't mind either Wiggins or Parker to replace Melo, but if you're going to have these guys I expect you to treat them the same you treat Melo. They have to lead their teams out of the first round every season and finish games. Can you do that? Or does this only apply to Carmelo Anthony?

    “There’s no player that’s out there on the horizon that’s a Tim Duncan or a LeBron James,” the Hall of Fame Syracuse coach told SNY.tv by phone Thursday.
    “I’ve seen all these guys play. I think they’re very talented players. They’re not that kind of player. They’re not transcendent players that are gonna make your franchise into a 10-12-15-year winning franchise because you’re there. I don’t see that.” - Jim Boeheim of Syracuse




    This is Parker's scouting video



    and probably the most interesting comment from the video:

    First of all Parker is the most decorated High School player of ALL-TIME! The kid won 4 state titles, 4 public league titles- while playing against arguably the toughest city HS basketball competition(Chicago Public League) and he is a 2X Mr.Basketball from the State of Illinois and a 2x National Player of the Year but NOBODY EVER mentions that! He's already a legend! Not even these experts and pundits at ESPN, NBA and CBSsports mention that because they are mostly just a bunch of overpaid cynics who don't even know how to play the game! So Wiggins being ranked #1 ahead of Parker while playing 75% of his career in Canada which is country thati just developing a basketball program is BS! Especially since Wiggins had to reclassify, then moved to Virginia, played at Huntingdon Prep and still didn't win ****! Now I'm not going to gloat over Jabari's skills because they speak for itself, the kid already has skills to compete wit Melo or Pierce now so I can't compare him to guys that he will probably end up better than. What I will say is that I don't like the fact that the media is making it seem like Wiggins is Lebron or Jordan athletically and that Parker can't jump over a broom. Who has Wiggins posterized in college yet? So far he's not nearly as nasty or athletic as Vince Carter was at North Carolina. And yes he does have a freakish vert which has to be around 44 to 45 inches but he hasn't made any series of jaw-dropping plays this year and when draftexpress does a scouting video on him you won't see that because he's not the most agile or fluid player so bieng able to jump high means nothing and he could very well end up like Gerald Green who can jump out the gym, run like a deer and has a marginal jumper, average handles and a step back move. But let's not forget Parker can jump from the free-throw line, has long arms(7'0 wing span), is very quick and fast enough to blow past guards(you see in this video). He also has great twitch fibers meaning he's not as shifty as somebody like Vick but he's definitely shifty like Cam Newton. I don't see Wiggins having that. Wiggins is just going to be grat in the open court he's going to be good but not great in the half-court. Parker will be good in the open court and great in the half-court. Meaning his upside is higher because his supreme level of skills is is more refined than Wiggins who really doesn't amaze you considering his athletic gifts!
    Who would you rather have, Wiggins or Parker?

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Kevin Durant?

    Kevin Durant in college:
    25.8 PPG
    11.1 RPG
    1.3 APG
    1.9 SPG
    1.9 BPG
    47% FG
    40% 3PT
    81% FT

    Andrew Wiggins
    16.4 PPG
    6.1 RPG
    1.3 APG
    1.0 SPG
    0.8 BPG
    50% FG
    36% 3PT
    70% FT

    I wouldn't mind either Wiggins or Parker to replace Melo, but if you're going to have these guys I expect you to treat them the same you treat Melo. They have to lead their teams out of the first round every season and finish games. Can you do that? Or does this only apply to Carmelo Anthony?

    “There’s no player that’s out there on the horizon that’s a Tim Duncan or a LeBron James,” the Hall of Fame Syracuse coach told SNY.tv by phone Thursday.
    “I’ve seen all these guys play. I think they’re very talented players. They’re not that kind of player. They’re not transcendent players that are gonna make your franchise into a 10-12-15-year winning franchise because you’re there. I don’t see that.” - Jim Boeheim of Syracuse




    This is Parker's scouting video



    and probably the most interesting comment from the video:



    Who would you rather have, Wiggins or Parker?

    I would take Wiggins.....and if I was the Clippers in a win now with their players I would take Melo a hundred times over Wiggins...for the Knicks we need to rebuild

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    Yeah...I'm wondering if Carmelo is gone by the trade deadline...just get us some picks if that's the case...

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    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    Yeah...I'm wondering if Carmelo is gone by the trade deadline...just get us some picks if that's the case...

    If the Clippers want Melo and Suns want Griffin its an easy trade if the Suns will give us back 3 first round picks for Griffin. At the end of the day if we lose Melo for 3 first rounders i am satisfied....Trade Chandler for some a first rounder as well and an expiring contract.......throw this year away and look to rebuild with 4 first rounders in this draft along with Hardaway and Shump.......There would no better outlook for the Knicks .

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    if we trade melo, he can opt out and resign with us for the max

    but what sucks more with that trade is , we wont have our own pick when we go super tank mode

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