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    Originally Posted by NY17KNICKS
    The worst part is, and now we're back to reality, Melo obviously cant do this every game. These guys HAVE TO have Melos back here and actually perform like professional athletes. I dont see this changing anything.

    But a final word of this performance tonight


    SUCK IT


    Trust me he will try. He has green light to shoot 30-40 times per game from his beloved idiot coach Woodson. Another reason I'm not watching Knick games anymore.

    Meanwhile Nets 9-1 in january.....go BROOKLYYYYYN!!!!

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    62 points, 13 boards... but not one assist... lets run his ass out of new York...

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    Originally Posted by InGodsHands
    Trust me he will try. He has green light to shoot 30-40 times per game from his beloved idiot coach Woodson. Another reason I'm not watching Knick games anymore.

    Meanwhile Nets 9-1 in january.....go BROOKLYYYYYN!!!!
    3G4G's pocket account.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    3G4G's pocket account.

    Not a pocket account I hold it down very nicely. I think the last time Melo had a game similar to this in a Knick uni was when he played Boston in the playoffs, first yr here. Melo has been living off that performance for a while as he will this 62pt outburst(eternity for some). That's how it goes in this warped fanatical climate of sports we live but make no mistake about it....scoring is overrated. Those that feel Melo is what he is "a great STREAK scorer" place proper value on it....In the end this will prove to be true and we'll be right back the crux of the matter.

    Look across the league....

    Isiah Thomas dropped 38pts
    Marcus Thornton dropped 42pts
    Paul George dropped 36pts
    Teletovic dropped 34pts
    Chandler Parsons dropped 34pts
    Curry dropped 33pts
    Derozan dropped 34pts

    While Melo's performance was the best of the night by a considerable margin... as he could have gone for 70 it still has to be kept in it's proper perspective. Take for instance Jamal Carwford being the only NBA player in history to drop 50pts in a game on 3 different teams.

    Nut jobs like you are going to run with this tirelessly because really you've been the one with consecutive sleepless nights. You are the one that has been shook hence your comment about "it feels good to shut the haters up." You wear your heart on Melo's arm sleeves. Here's the difference between our kinds. You're the kind to create a bunch of cry me a river threads at a boying Melo, sticking up for him like you're on his payroll. I'm the type that will take his performance(s) for what it is and the next time he shoots 4-26 or whatever, you won't see threads from me about it because I've already accurately checked the pulse of Melo and surmised the kind of player he is.

    For the record I was never impressed with Kobe's 81pt performance against the Raptors and I saw that game live. I didn't think his 61pts in the Garden was all that impressive either. Scoring has it's place and some players have produced those moments. Melo has a couple, 1 of which I alluded to earlier against Boston in the playoffs. It still doesn't justify paying him $30mil/yr just because he can do this 1 or 2/yr.

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    I am less negative about Melo than 3G4G or Kiyaman and less positive about him than Metro. As last night's performance demonstrates, Melo is a phenomenal offensive player. Melo was hot, his teammates cooperated and Melo kept scoring. The performance, however, was an aberration. It was not the way the game should be played. I was more pleased with the play of Tyler and disappointed at the extended minutes constantly given Felton and JR. This was a blow-out. We should have seen more of Murry.
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    Originally Posted by Oldtimer
    I am less negative about Melo than 3G4G or Kiyaman and less positive about him than Metro. As last night's performance demonstrates, Melo is a phenomenal offensive player. Melo was hot, his teammates cooperated and Melo kept scoring. The performance, however, was an aberration. It was not the way the game should be played. I was more pleased with the play of Tyler and disappointed at the extended minutes constantly given Felton and JR. This was a blow-out. We should have seen more of Murry.

    My question to all the Melo Dime Tricks....

    Has their expectations for Melo grown over this performance since this performance in their minds is a reason to keep Melo and rebuild around him? Or is the Onus on his teammates the next game and the rest of the season?

    Does Melo's performance last night from the outside world suggest his value is at an all-time high?

    If the answer to these questions are met with indifference it clearly shows one has to keep proper perspective for the performance....

    Jamal Crawford scored 52pts for us on 16 straight shots made against the Heat, would anyone in their right mind after that performance think he was a starting 2 guard in this league? Could we have built a championship caliber team with him in the mix going forward as a starting 2 guard?

    In 2009-2010 Melo scored 41pts and 42pts 2nd and 3rd game into the season, about a dozen games afterwards dropped 50pts, and then went on to score 40pts + a half dozen times the rest of the season. Denver built around Melo where did it get them? Do fans realize we're contemplating paying Melo $7mil more per season than he made in Denver during that time?

    It's nice to know too, at Melo's halftime interview he said he came to the game with a mindset "he's tired of losing"....what was going through his mind the games prior to and why did he all of a sudden get tired of losing against the Bobcats @ home?

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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    My question to all the Melo Dime Tricks....

    Has their expectations for Melo grown over this performance since this performance in their minds is a reason to keep Melo and rebuild around him? Or is the Onus on his teammates the next game and the rest of the season?

    Does Melo's performance last night from the outside world suggest his value is at an all-time high?

    If the answer to these questions are met with indifference it clearly shows one has to keep proper perspective for the performance....

    Jamal Crawford scored 52pts for us on 16 straight shots made against the Heat, would anyone in their right mind after that performance think he was a starting 2 guard in this league? Could we have built a championship caliber team with him in the mix going forward as a starting 2 guard?

    In 2009-2010 Melo scored 41pts and 42pts 2nd and 3rd game into the season, about a dozen games afterwards dropped 50pts, and then went on to score 40pts + a half dozen times the rest of the season. Denver built around Melo where did it get them? Do fans realize we're contemplating paying Melo $7mil more per season than he made in Denver during that time?

    It's nice to know too, at Melo's halftime interview he said he came to the game with a mindset "he's tired of losing"....what was going through his mind the games prior to and why did he all of a sudden get tired of losing against the Bobcats @ home?
    Once again, you're putting everything on Melo.

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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    My question to all the Melo Dime Tricks....

    Has their expectations for Melo grown over this performance since this performance in their minds is a reason to keep Melo and rebuild around him? Or is the Onus on his teammates the next game and the rest of the season?

    Does Melo's performance last night from the outside world suggest his value is at an all-time high?

    If the answer to these questions are met with indifference it clearly shows one has to keep proper perspective for the performance....

    Jamal Crawford scored 52pts for us on 16 straight shots made against the Heat, would anyone in their right mind after that performance think he was a starting 2 guard in this league? Could we have built a championship caliber team with him in the mix going forward as a starting 2 guard?

    In 2009-2010 Melo scored 41pts and 42pts 2nd and 3rd game into the season, about a dozen games afterwards dropped 50pts, and then went on to score 40pts + a half dozen times the rest of the season. Denver built around Melo where did it get them? Do fans realize we're contemplating paying Melo $7mil more per season than he made in Denver during that time?

    It's nice to know too, at Melo's halftime interview he said he came to the game with a mindset "he's tired of losing"....what was going through his mind the games prior to and why did he all of a sudden get tired of losing against the Bobcats @ home?


    I think the difference is that Melo said Fk-it and he was going to do it his way.
    He has listened to the fans and papers talk about how ISO Melo does not work.
    He has listened to Woodson who praises the ISO Melo offense as he did for JJ in Atlanta.
    Melo I am sure is hearing a mix bag from his teamates.

    Think his mind-set is I will play the way I MELO want to play.....He tuned all his critics , coach , fans and teamates and did it his way..........He stepped up bigtime and made it a great night......

    what does this game same for our Knicks season...just a plain out ZERO.......You never want a player to get hurt but I would love to see Felton sit for 10 straight games and have Prigioni run the show.
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    Originally Posted by NY17KNICKS
    Once again, you're putting everything on Melo.

    No I'm not...all I'm saying has your expectations concerning him grown?


    As fas as the season goes there is equal share of blame throughout this organization....owner down to each individual player.


    The problem exist when posters like you try to pluck the Melo kernel out of the stalk of blame wanting to pitch the rest of the husk into the fire. Sorry this will never fly for me.


    If Melo was paid more like a 2nd-3rd tier star and embraced such a role, then maybe it's viable considering moving forward with him. He'd have to commit to being sick and tired of losing before the season starts and become more of a bridge between his teammates. Be proactive instead of reactive, learn how to be a leader outside of scoring the basketball, learn how to properly deal with personal situations and the media. Doing these things makes everyone else fall in line, as they have a given responsibility too.


    There will be times we need Melo to go ape, but there are many other times we need him masquerade his strength as a weakness in efforts to make others weaknesses stronger. Pretty much what Anthony Davis said should be his approach going forward. Everyone and their mom knows Melo can score...


    Like Mase said...."Please Tell/Me or in this case Show Me...Something I Didn't/Don't Know"
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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    I think the difference is that Melo said Fk-it and he was going to do it his way.
    He has listened to the fans and papers talk about how ISO Melo does not work.
    He has listened to Woodson who praises the ISO Melo offense as he did for JJ in Atlanta.
    Melo I am sure is hearing a mix bag from his teamates.

    Think his mind-set is I will play the way I MELO want to play.....He tuned all his critics , coach , fans and teamates and did it his way..........He stepped up bigtime and made it a great night......

    what does this game same for our Knicks season...just a plain out ZERO.......You never want a player to get hurt but I would love to see Felton sit for 10 straight games and have Prigioni run the show.
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    So this will be his mindset no matter who he's facing going forward? He played tons of ISO last night and it worked but more often than not it hasn't. If this will be his mindset for the rest of the season we're toast.

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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    So this will be his mindset no matter who he's facing going forward? He played tons of ISO last night and it worked but more often than not it hasn't. If this will be his mindset for the rest of the season we're toast.

    Melo only knows one way.........I think he is a pretty humble guy......In the papers when asked does it bother him what people say his answer was " of course it does " .

    The Knicks before the game the team was at such a low. We all know the reasons so need to get into it.
    Sometimes you need something to ignite the fire and make a team feel that they are just that a team . Melo spoke about how he loved how excited his teammates were and his teammates how excited they were for Melo. In the end they are all doing battle together and sometimes u need something really spectacular or terrible to unify a team . Melo with all the crap is not arrogant.

    All we can hope is that this opens the eyes of the Knicks players and more importantly WOODSON. He now has a golden opportunity to lose his arrogance and correct the obvious mistakes to everyone.

    I guess we will see tomorrow night....Lets hope an unknown Laker does not have a career night.

    and lets hope JR is not jealous and tries to break Melo's record.

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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    No I'm not...all I'm saying has your expectations concerning him grown?


    As fas as the season goes there is equal share of blame throughout this organization....owner down to each individual player.


    The problem exist when posters like you try to pluck the Melo kernel out of the stalk of blame wanting to pitch the rest of the husk into the fire. Sorry this will never fly for me.


    If Melo was paid more like a 2nd-3rd tier star and embraced such a role, then maybe it's viable considering moving forward with him. He'd have to commit to being sick and tired of losing before the season starts and become more of a bridge between his teammates. Be proactive instead of reactive, learn how to be a leader outside of scoring the basketball, learn how to properly deal with personal situations and the media. Doing these things makes everyone else fall in line, as they have a given responsibility too.


    There will be times we need Melo to go ape, but there are many other times we need him masquerade his strength as a weakness in efforts to make others weaknesses stronger. Pretty much what Anthony Davis said should be his approach going forward. Everyone and their mom knows Melo can score...


    Like Mase said...."Please Tell/Me or in this case Show Me...Something I Didn't/Don't Know"
    What in the hell are you talking about?

    I see Melo out there with sub-par PG play, and a lot of the sets are broken from the get-go, because Felton is over dribbling the majority of the time, and Woody doesn't want Melo in the PnR because he feels it's too easy for the opponent to switch it. So he'd rather have a 15 PnR to try to keep the other team from switching, and just has Melo on the wing. Melo isn't buried in the corner like in MDA's offense, but he's also not in position to do anything off of a 15 PnR because he's in a spot on the court where it's too easy to bring extra help off of Tyson. Can't throw lobs all game, can't rely on Tyson in the post, can't have Felton shooting too much...so it leads to getting the ball to Melo, iso'd on the wing...where Woody would rather have him.

    If Melo were to do anything else, he's breaking the offense...which he should. He needed to be in more PnR with STAT, last year. He needed to be in more PnR with Bargs this year....how much of that did we see?

    Lets talk basketball bro. Quit this Screamin' A Smith, "I'm gonna say a whole healthy helping of not a god damn thing."

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    There is no point in replying to 3G4G.

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    Just saw that game. Congratulations, Melo. Great game.

    Was great to see Tyler step up on both sides of the court.

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    Originally Posted by NY17KNICKS
    There is no point in replying to 3G4G.
    That dude is chilling on my ignore list. lol

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