man o man. Kiya needs to start the Hatin on Melo thread.
really nice piece Loco Ochos, worthy of the O&B Globalization personification.
so much information, too much information, info overload load!
but interesting to check out nonetheless...
I believe Melo's game can and will change with significant scorers around him
(healthy Bargnana/STAT/Shump/Chandler/JR), where he does NOT have to feel
as if he's the only one who can carry the team on his back. Most of the assists
were to a moving Chandler, a moving STAT, open Felton, etc., players not just
standing there watching the ISO, but in motion.
This could be a Wood Son problem to deal with, keeping the team in motion,
where Melo could be the P&R initiator, or more of a point forward.
just like Melo played phenomenal at the beginning of 2012 season, with
defensive blocks, unselfish passing, so goes his unselfish playing at the
beginning of games, (as Kiya says), petering out to ISO-hell at the end
of games, and playoffs. could be mental.
as long as MELO (and Woodson) is aware of the problem, and willing to
work on a play like the P&R that is the opposite of ISO-ball, there is a way
to make it happen and incorporate it into the Knick method of play.
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Crazy⑧s after seeing this all vids have u realaized that MELo is simply doin to much ?
for me upcoming season if final "judgment" time for Tyson unless Andrea will surpass him.
Thats not an opinion that's a FACT!
A few u tube videos of Melo passing the ball suppose to make me believe Melo has great passing skills?
Is it an opinion that Melo get a touch of the ball on practically 80% of our offensive-possessions?
Only the PG suppose to touch the ball on 80% of a teams offensive-possession in a 48 minute game.
After watching Iverson average 8 assist in all 82 games to lead Denver to a 50 win season, making Kleiza look like a young star, and JRsmith the 2nd runner up for the 6th man award, while Camby average 9 pts, 3 ast, 13 rb, and damn near 4 blocks per game ..
All my luv for ISO-Melo went out the door when Denver traded Camby & Iverson that offseason (2008).
u have to be a very low IQ player when ur down by one point, and u hold & dribble the ball for 8 seconds then throw the ball to Jared Jefferies on the perimeter with 2 seconds left in the game.
Thats not an opinion those are facts...
how do u hate on a future hall of famer the way u do?
1) I dont see Melo as a future HOF
2) Melo's action & personality has made Melo's teammates play without effort in 9 of his postseason appearances.
3) Melo is an individual player like Marbury (and Marbury average 8 ast)
4) Melo do not have half of the skills & talent as ex-Knicks Bernard King
Caring about whether he should have won ROY, smfh.
This is Melo paying lips service (again) to the media about what he is "going to do", lol......
Melo simply isn't good enough to maintain the type of playing style and ego that he demands. He isn't Lebron. He is writing checks that he won't be able to cash. Every year it is same **** with Melo; no matter who his coach his, who is teammates are.
How about Melo just shuts the **** and acts like the superstar he wants to be. Make players around him better, win at all costs.
He's a greatly talented all-star, but he is playing in a league that is in a GOLDEN AGE of basketball talent. And he isn't talented ENOUGH to maintain the type of game and style and ego that he has, w/o constantly falling short when compared to the true contending teams of the NBA.
In the past two season the majority of Knicks forums put up Threads comparing Carmelo Anthony on the same pedestal as Kevin Durant. Durant won by 68%
Here is an article on Carmelo vs Harden ....
When the New York Knicks acquired Carmelo Anthony from the Denver Nuggets a few years ago, many Knicks fans believed they finally had the star player the franchise had been lacking.
Similarly, the Houston Rockets celebrated when they traded for James Harden, who has been the star the team has not had since Tracy McGrady. Both players have proven to be dangerous scorers who account for many of their team's points.
As two of the top scorers in the NBA, it's only natural to compare Melo and Harden. Despite being a few years younger, Harden is the better player for a few reasons.
Harden's facilitating skills are superior to Melo's
At 6 feet 5 inches, James Harden is essentially a giant pick-and-roll point guard. Houston runs its offense through him with plenty of high pick-and-roll sets, where he is usually the ball-handler. Harden averaged 5.5 assists per 36 minutes last season. In a year many claimed Melo had "changed" his offensive ways, he averaged just 2.5 assists per 36 minutes last season. As a matter of fact, 2.5 assists per 36 minutes is still below his career average of 3.0.
Harden is clearly the better and more willing passer, a skill that makes a great scorer even more dangerous. It's hard to say Melo is necessarily a bad passer, as we simply haven't seen him facilitate an offense enough to know.
Melo is more of an "ball stopper"
A major knock on Melo has been he is a selfish offensive player. Although selfish is probably too harsh of a word, it's easy to see what the critics mean by it.
Melo loves to isolate, particularly from the wing. The Knicks' offense stops flowing when he does this, and they are at the mercy of whether or not his shots are falling. Isolation takes players out of the game, and it becomes very hard to keep teammates engaged when they aren't seeing the ball.
Much like Harden, Anthony has the potential to be a very good pick-and-roll player. We just haven't seen Melo commit to this, and, at this point, it's hard to believe he'll change much. Even when Harden isn't scoring, the way he runs an offense at least keeps the rest of his team engaged.
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It's easy to look at Melo's scoring numbers and be blown away. He averaged 28.7 points per game last season, which is certainly a number that can't be laughed at. However, when you dig a little deeper, it's easy to become critical.
Melo averaged a little less than three points per game more than Harden last season. To get these points, Anthony required a staggering five more shot attempts per game and posted a usage rate more than six percentage points higher than Harden. For those who may not know, usage rate is an estimate of team plays used by a player while he is in the game.
Should you really need five more shot attempts to score less than three more points?
Efficiency, thy name is Melo.
Harden does a better job at getting to the line
As one of the most dangerous pick-and-roll men in the league, Harden is a threat from anywhere on the floor coming off of a screen. This is evident from the fact that he got to the free-throw line a whopping 10.2 times per game last season, and he converted at an 85-percent clip. Even when his shot isn't falling, it seems that Harden can piece together a decent game from getting to the stripe.
Melo is no scrub at drawing fouls and getting to the line, either, as he attempted 7.6 free throw attempts per game last season, finishing at an 83-percent rate. However, nearly three more attempts per game is a significant difference, and one that cannot be ignored. Not only do free-throw attempts mean easy points for your team, but it also often means foul trouble for your opponent. Being able to have an opponent's backups in the game longer due to starters being in foul trouble is a huge advantage.
In many ways, Harden appears to be the more polished player. So, isn't it hard to believe that Harden is five years younger than Melo? This helps tilt the scale even more toward Harden, who is perhaps just beginning to enter his prime. Scary, right? At this point, we probably know what we're getting out of Melo.
Both the New York Knicks and Houston Rockets are surely happy to have their scoring machines. But if I have to pick between the two, give me James Harden over Carmelo Anthony.
In 2010-11 Feruary deadline the Knicks starting lineup "Amare / W.Chandler / Gallo / rookie / Felton" needed a starting SG .. not a roster change for a Ball-Hogger SF that wants to play at PF.
What do u think?
Last edited by Kiyaman; Sep 09, 2013 at 10:25.
^bravo Kiyaman. one of your best posts! bashing Melo with stats vs Harden! brilliant!
as much as I cringe when you bash the NYK, especially Melo, I have to agree with your
comparison/assessment. matching him up against James Harden was a great way to prove
your point. I believe Melo is a much better shooter (and ISO player..bleh), but Harden has
him beat in every other aspect of the game. I commend you for a well-thought out,
he took the ball out of Lin's hands and played a lot of one on one basketball
in context his assist numbers are better but Melo faced way way way more double teams leading to outlet passes rather than passes for shots
8's posted a video of Melo's assists, he's a great facilitator but the offense has to be designed around that
Melo thrives off of screens and quick decisions but is his own worst enemy in taking too much time
the problem I have with Kiya is he never gave him any credit for improving as a player this past year, he just looks at Melo's numbers and uses the cliches the media uses and Melo shut that up this past season
However Melo needs to be more consistent and make quicker and smarter decisions to help the team grow
but taking Harden and the pre-Melo Knicks over what we have now is agenda driven as **** and only shows deep down that he will only support the team if they do things the way he wants it done
no disrespect just calling it how I see it
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