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    Well, there is no such thread because Melo isn't a born leader. He may be a top scorer or a franchise player, but he isn't a born leader. And that's one of the many problems these Knicks have. Last year we had Kidd and Sheed who both are natural leaders and have championship experience, now we're relying on Melo and Felton to fill that role while they clearly lack leadership.

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    I think it starts with practice.

    every scrimmage, potato head should have mwp, shump, and Pablo. double and triple team melo until he pass.

    for defensive efforts potato head should reward them with fat free yogurt ice cream.

    I bet mwp love yogurt ice cream.

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    Default Melo is not the ball hog Kiyaman says he is

    According to this Business Insider article Melo is not even in the top 20 list of ball hogs in the NBA. Melo's stats if you are interested are 70.2 touches per game/43.8 passes per game = 63% which while below the league average of 70% is a far cry of what you would expect from such an elite scorer whose primary job is not to pass the ball. Check out the new stats page on NBA.com mentioned in the article, the stats take advantage of the new camera technology at the arenas and give the NBA far more stats than they have had before.

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    The Biggest Ball Hogs In The NBA

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    Who are the biggest ball hogs in the NBA? And how do we figure out who they are? In the past we've had to use things like shot attempts per game and assist rate to measure the degree to which a player hogs the ball.
    If you don't have a lot of assists you must not be passing, the logic goes. And if you're taking a lot of shots, it inherently means you're not helping your teammates get shots.
    But these stats are only tangentially related to the one thing that, by definition, makes a player a ball hog — he doesn't pass the ball.
    To figure out the NBA's biggest ball hogs, we'd need raw data on which players pass the ball the least.
    Now, thanks to the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] that the NBA installed in every arena, we have that data.
    The [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] has data on touches per game and passes per game. To determine the league's biggest ball hogs, we came up with a simple formula called pass rate. It goes like this:
    Pass rate = (Passes per game) / (Touches per game)

    This is the percentage of time a player passes when he gets the ball. The higher the percentage, the more unselfish a player is. The lower the percentage, the more of a ball hog a player is.
    Based on that formula, here are the 10 biggest ball hogs in the NBA (min. 20 minutes per game):

    1. Brook Lopez (Brooklyn Nets): 47.7% pass rate
    2. Klay Thompson (Golden State Warriors): 49.4% pass rate
    3. Eric Gordon (New Orleans Pelicans): 50.8% pass rate
    4. Tony Wroten (Philadelphia 76ers): 52.6% pass rate
    5. C.J. Miles (Cleveland Cavaliers ): 54.6% pass rate
    6. Andrew Nicholson (Orlando Magic): 55.0% pass rate
    7. Maurice Harkless (Orlando Magic): 55.2% pass rate
    8. Kevin Durant (Oklahoma City Thunder): 55.4% pass rate
    9. Rudy Gay (Toronto Raptors): 55.8% pass rate
    10. Jamal Crawford (L.A. Clippers): 56.0% pass rate

    The rest of the top 20 is as follows: Xavier Henry, Jodie Meeks, Dion Waiters, David Lee, Anthony Davis, Nick Young, Rodney Stuckey, James Harden, Corey Brewer.
    Brook Lopez at No. 1! He's certainly not the type of player you think of when the words "ball hog" come to mind. But he gets a relatively low number of touches, and he almost never passes once he does get the ball in his hands. The average pass rate across the NBA is 70.1%, and Lopez is at 47.4%.
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    Eric Gordon strictly shoots.


    When the ball goes into him in the post, more often than not it's not coming back out. There are some obvious players on here as well (Jamal Crawford! Rudy Gay!). But the majority of these guys are scoring guards who play off the ball. They aren't primary ball handlers (so their touches are fairly low) but they take a ton of shots.
    Eric Gordon is the ultimate example of this. He plays alongside Jrue Holiday — one of the most ball-dominant point guards in the league. So he essentially only gets the ball when he's in a position to shoot. By design, he's the terminal node in the offense.
    Ditto for Kevin Durant, who is the rare elite scorer who actually doesn't get a ton of touches.
    On the other end of the spectrum, here are the 10 most unselfish players in the league. They pass like crazy:

    1. Pablo Prigioni (New York Knicks): 87.8% pass rate
    2. Shaun Livingston (Brooklyn Nets): 86.2% pass rate
    3. Josh McRoberts (Charlotte Bobcats): 85.1% pass rate
    4. Jose Calderon (Dallas Mavericks): 84.8% pass rate
    5. Shane Battier (Miami Heat): 84.3% pass rate
    6. Greivis Vasquez (Sacramento Kings): 82.7% pass rate
    7. Joakim Noah (Chicago Bulls): 82.6% pass rate
    8. Deron Williams (Brooklyn Nets): 82.4% pass rate
    9. John Henson (Milwaukee Bucks): 82.4% pass rate
    10. John Lucas III (Utah Jazz): 81.5% pass rate

    These guys are broken into two groups: 1) point guards who play with volume shooters, and 2) ball-moving swing men. Noah is the only outlier, but a lot of Chicago's offense moves through him at the high post and gets a ton of touches for a center as a result.
    The big lessons from all of this is that the degree to a player is a "ball hog" is often determined by his role within the offense. Klay Thompson might be a wonderful and willing passer, but within the Warriors offense his job is to stretch the floor knock down open shots created by Steph Curry.
    Still, when you think "ball hog" you think Jamal Crawford. So it's pretty perfect that the stats back up what we all see with our eyes.

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    in Melo's defense, if i was him i'd shoot my tail off too. No one else has much of a high pct shot on the team. Eveb JVG said if Melo is close to open, by all means shoot. The guy is a beast. Problem sometimes with Melo is he'll be double teamed and forces the game/shot selection. A good coach making him accountable would make Melo a top 5 player

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    Originally Posted by petescud
    in Melo's defense, if i was him i'd shoot my tail off too. No one else has much of a high pct shot on the team. Eveb JVG said if Melo is close to open, by all means shoot. The guy is a beast. Problem sometimes with Melo is he'll be double teamed and forces the game/shot selection. A good coach making him accountable would make Melo a top 5 player
    I agree. He just needs to consistently move the ball when double-teamed. He knows and we know he can score on double-teams, but the ball movement is key for becoming a much better team. Passing the ball out of double-teams means somebody is open, it makes others better, it creates a better flow. I liked how Melo played in Game 6 of the second round last season. He was scoring a lot, but he kicked it out when double teamed. He has to do that consistently.

    I forgot where the discussion started, might have been from an article posted in a thread on this board, Kiya responded about it too I think, Bernard King made quick decisions on offense. I don't think Melo is bad or anything as far as how long he takes to try to score, the team in general should be less stagnant.

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    Oh yeah and also anybody who calls Melo a ballhog has to think about Harrington's stint as a Knick LOL. He played with heart, but man did he love to shoot.

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    Pablo is a god.

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    Default Melo held PLAYERS ONLY Meeting recently

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    [It was] just players,’’ Anthony said of the meeting. “It doesn’t really have anything to do with the coaches. It’s us out there playing. I felt we needed to sit down and talk and get that out of the way -

    Melo showing his leadership qualities.

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    That was mentioned on commentary during the last Bobcats game. I like that he stepped up and tried to be a leader.

    I don't think he's been playing bad this season. He might feel like scoring the way he did last season isn't gonna work without guys such as Kidd help lead the team.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
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    Melo showing his leadership qualities.

    How convenient he called this meeting before the Bobcats game and not the San Antonio game. Ironically enough the team got BLOWN THE EFF out after the Bobcat game which goes to show his words amounted to nothing absolutely nothing.....

    He's a ZERO Leadership

    This reminds me of Stephon doing the exact same thing delivering a profanity laced tirade before practice and went off to the trainer's table to go get a massage.....

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    A player meeting .... ha ha LMAO

    How bout a player-practice with the basic X and O plays, completing a fastbreak, comunication on defense by calling out screens and picks so our PG isnt stuck defending a center downlow.

    The number #1 team-leadership player on our roster is Kenyon Martin, his strong team-leadership in Cincinatti made K-Mart the number #1 pick in the NBA Draft.
    Our 2nd leadership player is Meta, and our 3rd is Amare.
    The rest of the players on our roster are role-players, some elite at their role, and some inconsistent at their roles.

    u dont have to be a rocket sciencetist to know there's something FISHY bout Amare & K-Mart only being allowed 10 minutes of playingtime in every other game. These are two 10 year veterans with the capabilities to divide a lockerroom of players.
    Example: In 2010-11 season how many games did it take Amare to get the Knicks players to play .500 B.ball???

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
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    Melo showing his leadership qualities.
    You're reaching now. Anyone can set up a meeting. He needs to show leadership on the court. Leadership defensively, and making his team better. But all of this is not entirely his fault. I think Melo had some serious limitations and we looked over them because of his star power.

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    Melo a leader?

    Stop...just stop.

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    Melo is NOT a superstar.

    Superstars plays both ends of the court.
    Superstars win games in the playoffs.
    Superstars make their teammates better.
    Superstars are leaders.

    Melo is none of the above. He's just a high volume chucker. Don't play defense. Don't pass. Don't set screens. Don't rebound. Don't box out. Don't play smart.

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    Originally Posted by LINvincible
    Melo is NOT a superstar.

    Superstars plays both ends of the court.
    Superstars win games in the playoffs.
    Superstars make their teammates better.
    Superstars are leaders.

    Melo is none of the above. He's just a high volume chucker. Don't play defense. Don't pass. Don't set screens. Don't rebound. Don't box out. Don't play smart.
    No surprise you show up today.

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