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    It is kind of funny how everyone jumps the gun on Melo and call him a me first player when the team is struggling. Especially considering the junk he has around. Chandler is hurt. Felton is back to being FATlton. That worthless clot of JR Smith is back at being the most inconsistent player ever.

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    ESPN Insider article on Melo.

    What execs really think of Melo

    Knicks star's me-first attitude will prevent him from winning a title


    Updated: November 14, 2013, 3:30 PM ET
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    Lintao Zhang/Getty ImagesCarmelo Anthony needs to look himself in the mirror, some team execs say.
    The [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] enter tonight's game against the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] with a disappointing 3-4 record. While it's way too early to panic, it's not too early to say this: Even when the Knicks right themselves (and I firmly believe they will), they have only a decent chance of getting out of the first round and no chance of getting past the second.
    Hence, the Knicks' superstar, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], is doomed for yet another postseason of failure. In his 10 previous NBA seasons, Anthony, to his credit, has made the playoffs every year. But just twice has his team advanced past the first round. This kind of perennial failure begs so many questions.
    So how much of the blame for that should fall on Melo? What does that say about him as a player? What's he missing, if anything? Can he lead a team to a championship, or even to the NBA Finals? What type of team would fit best around him? Should he leave New York next summer in search of a better chance to win it all? Is he really just a star masquerading as a "superstar'?'
    To answer these questions, I turned to four long-time league executives who were granted anonymity so they could share their true opinions.

    Eastern Conference executive No. 1


    In short: This particular executive says Anthony picked up some bad habits while he was in Denver. Is he a winner? Sure, but is he Batman or Robin?

    "I like Melo. I like that he competes. He obviously can score at a high level. People forget that when he got drafted by Denver, the Nuggets had won 17 games the year before. And he immediately turned them into a playoff team and took them to the playoffs every year he was there. He took a 17-win team and led them to 43 wins. So he can win and make a team better. I think his problem is that he went to Denver, which was a dysfunctional franchise at that time, so he picked up some bad habits and didn't learn what it takes to really win in this league. If he had gone to a better organization with a truly professional environment coming out of the gate, he would have learned and been more professional. He won big in college (leading Syracuse to the National Championship in 2003). He won big in high school at Oak Hill. He's been a winner all his life.
    Jim McIsaac/Getty ImagesAnthony scores because he has no qualms about taking his shot.


    "But early on in Denver, he probably saw some bad habits and was allowed to get away with his bad habits -- like if he was five or 10 minutes late for a shootaround, or if he missed a team event somewhere. As a leader, you can't do that because you have to be able to get on guys when they do those things. He probably never learned that. And after leading a team from 17 wins to 43 wins, he probably thought winning in the NBA was a little easier than it really is, and he never was made to understand what it takes to get to the next level. He didn't learn the little things, the finer points of playing defensively - understanding that you have to make consecutive plays on defense if you really want to get it done. Things like that. So now, 10 years into the league, he's probably Robin on a championship team instead of Batman. He has Batman talent, but the intangibles are missing. And I think part of that is because of what he was introduced to when he came into the league with Denver… "As far as next summer, if I were him, I'd stay in New York and hope I can attract some more help. I think he has to put his feet in the concrete now and look at himself in the mirror. He knows where he's coming up short. I believe he's smart enough to recognize that. If [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] was younger, it'd be great for Melo to go play with him in L.A. because Kobe could get him to do the things he doesn't want to do right now. He'd have to listen to Kobe. But Kobe's older now and doesn't have enough left to help Melo win it. Overall, all these people talking crazy about Carmelo, saying he's not a winner -- ask them if they would take him on their team. You wouldn't get many people saying 'No.'"



    Eastern Conference executive No. 2


    In short: There's no denying Carmelo Anthony is a selfish player. The possessions and statistical inefficiency bear that out. And this executive agrees.

    "He's a great player, but he's also a selfish player. That's just how he is. I don't think he'll look at himself in the mirror and say, 'What am I not doing? What am I doing that's keeping us from winning?' Again, I'm not saying he's not a great player. He's a phenomenal player. He's just selfish. He likes the glamour and the big time. Why else would he have left Denver for New York? That Denver team he was on was better than New York. But he wanted the show and the glamour. It wasn't about winning…
    " All the talk about where he'll go next year -- if he goes somewhere else, that puts more pressure on him to win. It's going to follow him. I don't know if he'll have the guts to leave. If he leaves, he better win wherever he goes.
    " -- Eastern Conference team executive
    "For him to win, he has to have the right team around him. But finding the right team for him is very hard. You really have to get five Tyson Chandlers -- guys that play like Chandler but play at the other four positions. You need guys who will cater to Melo, guys who don't need the ball, guys who don't care about shooting a lot, guys that can make spot-up jump shots. Those are the type of guys Melo needs because he's not looking to be a team player. He's going to be a gunner and just shoot. If you have those type of guys around him, maybe he can win it. But the way I see it, he might end up being 33 years old after he matures a little bit and on a team with a guy or two who's better than him, and then he'll win it…
    "All the talk about where he'll go next year -- if he goes somewhere else, that puts more pressure on him to win. It's going to follow him. I don't know if he'll have the guts to leave. If he leaves, he better win wherever he goes. If he stays, he can get the most money from New York and then at some point, demand a trade if he has to.''


    Western Conference executive No. 1


    In short: Anthony can score, but can he win? This executive says Melo needs help.

    "I actually think that, for whatever reason, Melo's always gotten a pass. At the end of the day, he's been in the league long enough where, if he was really a winner and about winning, he'd have figured it out by now. He's had enough time to do that now. He should be able to say, 'Ok, this is not working. I've got to figure it out. I've got to take it upon myself as a superstar to try something else. Try to be a facilitator, make plays for other guys, or like Kobe and LeBron, get some stops. Every team I'm on is bad defensively, let me make more of a commitment defensively.' If he was really about winning, there's more he could do…
    "Is he overrated? As a scorer, he's not overrated. He's a professional scorer. And as a winner -- that's what it's all about, right? -- he's not rated highly. I mean, this is his 11th season. It's time to win something. He went to the conference finals one time when [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] was still good and they had some pieces around them. As a guy without some pieces around him, Melo doesn't get it done because he doesn't make anybody else better. He's going to play the way he plays, but the team's not going to have much success. I don't know if he can be the best player on a championship team. Yeah, he might lead the league in scoring but he's also up there in points allowed. If you're getting points on one end, you can't be giving up just as many on the other end. To win, Melo needs a team full of defenders -- dirty, grimy, tough guys. He needs a veteran point guard like Billups who can tell him what he needs to do and has the authority to back it up. He needs some shooters, too, because he's not going to change his game.''


    Western Conference executive No. 2


    In short: This executive offers a past player comparable to Anthony. But [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] probably isn't the guy you want to be compared to.

    "I love him as a player. I just don't think he's your alpha male. He can't be your No. 1 guy. He's kind of like [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. As the alpha male in Portland, Clyde never got over the top. But when he went to Houston and was the No. 2 guy to [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], he won. Melo's too much about himself to be the No. 1 guy. He's not malicious in his approach or anything. He's just not about winning. He's about getting his, and doing it his way. I would love to have him as a second guy. But as your alpha male? He's not going to win anything like that. He's kind of like the 2013 version of Stephon Marbury. He's not as bad as Stephon, but he's got Steph tendencies.''


    While they acknowledge his elite skills, these are some harsh words for Anthony. With him, there's no question that he can score and is a great player on his own. But as a team player, it looks like there remains plenty of questions.



    Dolan shouldve talk to these CEO's in 2010, before the 2011 February trade deadline.

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    Melo sounds dejected towards how god awful this team is. Also he mentions the refs lmao

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    Originally Posted by NY17KNICKS
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    Melo sounds dejected towards how god awful this team is. Also he mentions the refs lmao

    He's more awful than he ever has been. It was one of the most painful things to watch yesterday that whole second qrt.

    Melo BLOWS GOATS!!!!!

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    Default Will Melo leave the Knicks ?

    I was watching First Take, Stephen A Smith said due to the state of the Knicks (front office, management, coaching), LeBron has removed the Knicks off his list of free agent teams.
    He also mention Melo will leave after the 2013-14 season and will maybe head to LA.


    My question is, why risk the potential of this happening? Either trade Melo now or get a confirmation from him.


    Teams that could use Carmelo Anthony

    Atlanta Hawks
    Charlotte Bobcats
    Chicago Bulls
    Cleveland Caviliers
    Dallas Mavericks
    Los Angeles Clippers
    Los Angeles Lakers
    Memphis Grizzlies
    Minnesota Timberwolves
    Milwaukee Bucks
    New Orleans Pelicans
    Phoenix Suns
    Sacramento Kings
    Washington Wizards
    Utah Jazz


    This is still Team Melo, but the best for Melo and the best for New York should be respected.
    If the Knicks want to waste Melo's time and not build a roster or have a coach who will play guy's minutes who deserve it (Prigioni), then Melo would be better off on a team who could use his talents and Knicks would be better off getting as much value as they can for Melo because the Knicks need it. Our future is dark, no draft picks, not even much second round picks. Grunfield is a crap GM and gutted this roster out completely.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    This is still Team Melo, but the best for Melo and the best for New York should be respected.
    If the Knicks want to waste Melo's time
    and not build a roster or have a coach who will play guy's minutes who deserve it (Prigioni), then Melo would be better off on a team who could use his talents and Knicks would be better off getting as much value as they can for Melo because the Knicks need it. Our future is dark, no draft picks, not even much second round picks. Grunfield is a crap GM and gutted this roster out completely.
    Your post sounds like you are considering the overrated Ball-stopper's interests more than the Knick's interest

    We are not going anywhere with Melo, trade him for someone who can lead the offense

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    Originally Posted by Ghostowl
    Your post sounds like you are considering the overrated Ball-stopper's interests more than the Knick's interest

    We are not going anywhere with Melo, trade him for someone who can lead the offense
    Like Derrick Rose?

    15 ppg
    4.5 assist
    3.5 turnovers
    0.4 steals
    33% FG shooting

    ...his per is 9 currently.

    This guy takes a decade off basketball and comes back as a scrub.

    But you're calling Melo overrated?

    LOL

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    Raymond Felton's per is 11. That tells you how trash Rose has been this season. Fraudulent MVP player.

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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    He's more awful than he ever has been. It was one of the most painful things to watch yesterday that whole second qrt.

    Melo BLOWS GOATS!!!!!
    If Melo blows, then what are Smith, Stoudemire, Felton and Woodson doing?

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    Might be a blessing in disguise if he doesn't sign with the Knicks. How many guys have signed a 5 yr. max contract when they're 30 and have been worth the money? Maybe the Knicks would be better off signing a couple of very good players to 4 year 10M deals for 80M like Paul Milsap and Al Jefferson rather than gambling on Melo.

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    why would anyone trade for Melo when they can just make a run at him during the offseason when he's an unrestricted free agent??

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    Donnie Walsh & Grunwald sold our future of being a 2nd to 3rd round postseason team for at least 5 straight seasons ..
    their F-up decision making have Dolan putting on the trading G.M. cap to put us deeper in a hole.
    Our number-1 priority in the next month should be trading ISO-Melo to the highest bidder with draft picks.

    Signing Amare for $100M contract was the SAVIOUR of the DUM 2010 Plan of TANKING 2 seasons.
    Trading Fan-Favorite David Lee was Walsh idea.
    Making ISO-Melo a Knicks was owner Dolan's idea.
    Resigning Jeremy Lin & Novak was the majority of Knicks fans idea.

    Adding ISO-Melo to a striipped rebuilding team with only one starter (Amare), only cause ego-controversy to all the low-price players to decide which star ego player to follow. The low-price players couldnt look towards the HC, bc Dantoni was in a deep trauma of his GOD son being traded to Denver.

    ISO-Melo is only a contender when Melo is on a team that could win without him in the rotation.
    Any team that needs ISO-Melo on the court for more than 32 minutes per game is not a contender team.

    Melo flaws as a Knicks are always being the last player back on defense, never screening, never boxing-out, and never running on a fastbreak, always demanding to slowdown the offense so he gets a touch of the ball on practically every offensive possession to hold the ball or dribble the ball throughout the shot clock.
    Ten years in the NBA doing the samething consistently with no change, oponents dont need a scouting report on ISO-Melo

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    why would anyone trade for Melo when they can just make a run at him during the offseason when he's an unrestricted free agent??
    to get unwanted contract players off their team, plus to ballance their salary-cap for Melo's high wages.
    Bobcats owner MJ need Melo's scoring, I just dont see MJ giving Melo a penny above $15M per. as a FA.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Like Derrick Rose?

    15 ppg
    4.5 assist
    3.5 turnovers
    0.4 steals
    33% FG shooting

    ...his per is 9 currently.

    This guy takes a decade off basketball and comes back as a scrub.

    But you're calling Melo overrated?

    LOL
    He came back from a serious injury. He's still a much better player than Melo. Points aren't everything; if you take 40 shots to get 30 points, that's actually worse for your team than just scoring 15 ppt and playing defense. And the Bulls have a different offense where Rose isn't the sole actor for his offense anymore. And why is Rose suddenly in this discussion?

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    Originally Posted by Ghostowl
    Your post sounds like you are considering the overrated Ball-stopper's interests more than the Knick's interest

    We are not going anywhere with Melo, trade him for someone who can lead the offense

    Yeah its' pretty bad but he's not the only one. Unfortunately what this trade has done....not only in absolutely destroying out future but it turned many Knick fans into Melo fans primarily. I don't think many Knick fans care as long as you don't blame Melo and give him something better.

    It's really quite sad. That's why you see stuff like "Melo Mafia"......"Team Melo"...."Melo's Teams Have Always Failed Him" blah blah blah

    Knicks need to do what's best for the Knicks because even after everyone is long gone the Knicks are a brand that can last generation after generation figuratively speaking.

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