It's open that you don't like me, your bias opinions aren't really hype.
You don't even have an opinion on the Knicks(what discussions do you open up about the team? The only post you make is what posters you like and dislike), you'll agree with anyone in disagreement with me.
You'll never be taken seriously as a poster on this forum....lol please, go somewhere where people actually care what you have to say.
Now onto Smokes....
Smokes, this is what separates me and you.
I bring information.
I say Melo makes a high percentage of his "bad shots", show you statistics and videos.
You say Melo leads the NBA in FGA per game without posting numbers or showing references.
Anyone who says you've won this debate is just sucking you for two reasons: 1. Your low confidence or 2. Some gay brotherhood between you and 3 other dudes.
Now that I shown you that Melo makes his "bad shots" at high percentage, you want to bring up double teams and how Melo preforms during double teams.
Didn't I break it down to you how Melo preforms when he's double team?
The information is here smokes, start reading. Your post look silly because it's all debunked statements.
Chris Herring @HerringWSJ 26s Per Synergy, Melo's passes to spot-up shooters out of double-teams have led to an 77.3% effective field-goal rate -- best in the NBA.
You're acting like Melo taking shots while being double teamed is an epidemic for the Knicks.
This is when you lost a debate because you have nothing to talk about that's worth mention.
Melo makes good decisions most of the time when he's doubled team and he's actually one of the best in the NBA in it. The information proves it and you have nothing to provide that backs up your statement.
I'll go as far to say that Knicks are a better team when Melo is doubled. Less pressure on Smith, Felton, Stat, Chandler to score. Melo will find them, and they will find Melo if they keep moving the ball like this
You said "watching games is enough to see a players faults"
But you can't say that.
You don't watch Knicks games.
(You couldn't even identify a picture from a game where Melo got fouled but it wasn't called. You had no reply for it. You're just some guy who claims to be a Knicks fan without watching the games live or participating in game threads, I'm blowing you up for being a fraud)
You watch NBA highlights....that doesn't really make you a knowledgable fan. In this thread, you've proven you lack a feel for the Knicks, this NBA season and Carmelo Anthony as a player. You're a poor reference of information for all 3 things I mentioned.
You posted one video, the first source of information you posted in this entire thread. Congratulations, but it's a weak video.
You're going to use a final 5 second shot clock situation as an example to what Melo does and what kind of shots he takes? This your BEST example? Smokes, that's the weakest argument you could present here.
I'm going to give you another chance to prove yourself here, you're not doing well; having taking a beating from a couple of pages ago...and this is your redemption post?
It's weaker than two guys who haven't been active in the forum and only coming here to to "support" you without posting anything logical. It's basically guys coming here and saying "Hey man, NICE POST, you OWNED him there." and they leave. Do you realize how silly that sounds and how silly you look that you can't have a debate with a cavalry? Tell your boys to go back to their forum if they're only coming here to lick your butt.
WVKnickfan, you failed yourself as a Knick fan when you created this thread. Melo responded back to you by breaking history. You can't save face now and you look like the weakest person possible by saying "a 62 point performance doesn't change my stance on Melo". It's fans like you that kill the community.
I use to bash Melo more than anyone in this forum.
The thing is...
That's not something I held onto. My opinions are free to change depending on how the player is preforming. When Melo started playing like an MVP, you had to respect his game and what he doing for this team. If you don't, then you're holding on to that feeling of "hoping to be right". It makes you look stubborn and ignorant. Very stiff personalities never go far.
You want Melo to average 20 ppg 10 rpg, 5 apg.
Do you realize Melo has never been a 10 rpg in his career? Same goes for LeBron and Durant. To ask a SF/PF to average 10 RPG is unrealistic. Melo is averaging 9.1 so you need to stop crying about Melo's rebounds, he's held it down this season without Chandler.
20 ppg, well; who's getting pick the rest of the slack? Knicks don't have strong scoring options on their roster. Most are average and below average. Melo is a career 25 ppg scorer, he's not averaging 20 PPG, nor will LeBron or Durant. These guys will always be 25 ppg scorers until they pass their prime.
Now the 5APG.
You want Melo to average 5APG, so do I.
But is it Melo stopping himself from averaging 5APG, or is it his teammates?
Check out this quote
"But Carmelo doesn't pass the ball!
This year, NBA.com has a ton of new stats on their site. One of them is for passing.
Let's talk Passes per game. The amount of passes per game would be a direct assessment of how willing Carmelo is to not have the ball in his hands.
Carmelo Anthony: 42.9papg in 39.3mpg = 1.09papm
Ray Felton: 59.5papg in 32.6mpg = 1.83papm
Beno Udrih: 37.7papg in 19.1mpg = 1.97papm
JR Smith: 39.5papg in 32.2mpg = 1.22papm
Paul George: 46.7papg in 36.5mpg = 1.23papm
James Harden: 42.6papg/38.8mpg = 1.10papm
Chris Paul: 73.3papg in 34.9mpg = 2.10papm
Jeremy Lin: 45.2papg in 30.7mpg = 1.47papm
LeBron James: 49.8papg in 37.4mpg = 1.33papm
Kevin Durant: 37.7papg in 38.3mpg = .984papm
So they might not pass for a purpose, but in the general sense, the Knicks pass the ball.
Now, let's look at assist opportunities. These are assists AND passes that would've been assists if the shot hadn't been missed. This is reflective of an offensive system. We've already shown that Melo passes the ball at a cmparable level as James Harden and more than Durant. But is the offense putting his passes to use? The answer is No.
Carmelo Anthony: 6.5aopg in 39.3mpg = 0.165aopm
Paul George: 7.1aopg in 36.5mpg = 0.194aopm
James Harden: 11.2aopg/38.8mpg = 0.289aopm
Chris Paul: 10.7aopg in 34.9mpg = 0.307aopm
Jeremy Lin: 7.9aopg in 30.7mpg = 0.257aopm
LeBron James: 12.2aopg in 37.4mpg = 0.326aopm
Kevin Durant: 9.8aopg in 38.3mpg = 0.256aopm
Finally, let's see how those assist opportunities are converted to assists. Are Carmelo's teammates really the worst at using the assist opportunities? Of course.
Carmelo Anthony: 3.0apg/6.5aopg = 46%
Paul George: 3.4apg/7.1aopg = 48%
James Harden: 5.5apg/11.2aopg = 49%
Chris Paul: 11.2apg/20.9aopg = 54%
Jeremy Lin: 4.2apg/7.9aopg = 53%
Lebron James: 6.5apg/12.2aopg = 53%
Kevin Durant: 5.2apg/9.8aopg = 53%
So we have all these passing stats, but if you really want to indict this offense, you want to see how many of Melo's passes are used for assist opportunities. We all know he draws a lot of attention. So is anyone doing something besides standing around?
Carmelo Anthony: 6.5aopg/42.9papg = 15%
Paul George: 7.1aopg/46.7papg = 15%
James Harden: 11.2aopg/42.6papg = 26%
Chris Paul: 11.2apg/73.3papg = 15%
Jeremy Lin: 7.9aopg/45.2papg = 17%
LeBron James: 12.2aopg/49.8papg = 24%"
So the question really is, why aren't Melo's teammates using Melo's talents to their fullest?
WVKnick, you can't credit Melo anymore. You already proven yourself to be a fraud with this thread and being unable to swallow your words after Melo's god-like night against a Top 5 NBA defense in probably one of the greatest scoring performances in all time. How many guys had 60 points with 0 turnovers?
Please, this is disgusting. (added the fact Clyde was clowning you for your collection of typos in each post and your thread title, and he's complimenting you because you're siding with his putty patrol of pals...lol, damn you got played)
You guys really need to level up in defending yourselves and not getting blown up all time.
I'm loving this thread because this is breaking KO.com history with the most blown ups.
Keep it coming, PLEASE.