Carmelo Anthony Discussion Thread - All Things Melo

Broadway

All Star
There will be no greater indicator of Melo's value then FA.
My bet is Melo does not wait for FA and signs a Max Deal with the Knicks....
It is funny to see Wilson Chandler, Mozgov and Nate all putting up nice numbers for the Nuggets.....I know Melo's trade only involved Mozgov but its funny seeing ex-Knikcs thriving,,,,,,,,

How great it would have been if Melo just waited for FA like he says he's willing to do now......
We could have done a sign and trade with Melo with some strength as opposed to giving up ASSETS that we could have used to Help MELO.

The trade involved Chandler too along with a myriad of other assets including Randolph and Gallo who are on the Nuggets squad.
 

metrocard

Legend
Our record is 15 - 25 .. with Carmelo Anthony averaging 40 minutes per game, shooting 21 shots per game on 42%

Our record is 15-25 because we have Raymond Felton, JR Smith, Amare Stoudmire, Beno Udrih and Andrea Bargnani as a core to "help" Melo. You're too much of a coward right now to be realistic and understand Melo is the best thing we have on this team and he's surrounded by a bunch of losers....Melo hasn't made any fuss and has been professional about the whole thing too.

Godforbid Melo says something off in the media, you and 3G will on it and say Melo is a cancer to the locker when he's given this team 40 minutes a night of hard basketball playing out of position and being the best rebounder on this team and has picked up his defense and has probably been the best defender recently.
 

metrocard

Legend
There will be no greater indicator of Melo's value then FA.
My bet is Melo does not wait for FA and signs a Max Deal with the Knicks....
It is funny to see Wilson Chandler, Mozgov and Nate all putting up nice numbers for the Nuggets.....I know Melo's trade only involved Mozgov but its funny seeing ex-Knikcs thriving,,,,,,,,

How great it would have been if Melo just waited for FA like he says he's willing to do now......
We could have done a sign and trade with Melo with some strength as opposed to giving up ASSETS that we could have used to Help MELO.

Gallo, Chandler sadly are too injury prone to be a serious impact on team.

Personally they were my favorite Knicks prospects and I had high hopes for them, especially Gallo. I was sadden when Gallo was traded but looking at their careers; they're some of the most fragile guys at their position and they're very young into their career. Imagine when they get older how will their bodies be able to handle the 82 game every season? Injuries is a huge factor in the game and I believe we should try to find more durable players who can take the punishment of a NBA season. We're lucky Melo isn't out for the season because Woodson plays Melo the beyond the max of minutes Melo needs to play.

Melo only needs 36 minutes per game. 40 is too much.
 

metrocard

Legend
A star refers to a player who makes the all star team.

DeRozan this season:
21.2 ppg
4.6 rpg
3.2 asp

He lacks a 3pt shot, but he's been Raptors go to guy and Raptors are leading the crappy atlantic. He'll probably make the all star he probably won't. He's already miles ahead of JR Smith, JR Smith never had a season close to DeMarr.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/playerrankings/regularseason/SG?&_1:col_1=2

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DeRozan is ranked 2nd in overall production at his position.
JR is ranked 32nd. Iman is ranked 31st, but we know Iman > JR, even Francisco Garcia > JR.

6th man of the year means nothing. DeMarr is the better talent, more productive and just has a better future over JR because DeMarr actually works hard on his game and doesn't get in trouble like Smith. Smith is wasted talent and now he's a scrub. This is a terrible comparison and you're desperate for even trying to convince anyone in the forum Smith > Derozan. Now we know how warped your mind is.

3G4G, LeBron wouldn't even help the Knicks win games. This roster is bottom tier. Just because Melo's team is low tier doesn't mean he isn't a star.

Tracy McGrady averaged 28 ppg, 6 rpg, 5.5 apg on 41% FG and 33% 3PT shooting, his team went 21-61 that 03-04 season. This was before they drafted Howard. T'Mac was still an all star and at 24 he best believe he still held the star status.
You're a nobody so who you call a star or not has no value. Your mentality is warped and your vision is filled with too much poisonous hatred.

Melo is extremely flawed, but Knicks had their best season in recent history since 97' under Melo and won 54 games? Melo has been on numerous 50 win teams and guess what? He was by far the best player on the team. He hasn't stump any franchise. He brought hype and great basketball to New York, the franchise itself couldn't deliver and secure a good team around Melo.

Melo is as flawed as Dominique Wilkins who's a hall of famer that has never "won" big.
You know what's funny?
Dominique and Melo had the same production.
Nique was never Jordan and Melo was never James, but both of those guys had hall of fame careers. They're stars and they always keep their teams competitive.
In fact, Melo started his career at 19 where as Nique started it at 23. Melo has 5-7 more years left in his career.
Either way, your argument holds no weight, Melo holds that star power and his performance speaks for himself. 26 ppg and 9 rpg at the SF is star production no question.

Prime Steve Nash can't help this team.
JR Smith too streaky.
Felton, Stat, Barg, Chandler too injury prone.

Shumpert and Hardaway Jr. would thrive off Nash, no question.

But when you get Nash, you get one of the worst defensive PG's in NBA history. Our defense is already bad, and Nash isn't playing with prime Amar'e Stoudemire, so that's non-sense.


Now you're reaching and getting desperate. Read the title of your thread….

It clearly says…."Knick Need Another Star To Help Anthony"….key word in your title is "STAR"

Although J.R. has been a disaster this year he's no more less a talent than Derozan go compare their career numbers. Has Derozan won a 6th Man award yet(I know, I know, I know he's a starter)….still get back to me on end of season awards he's won. Is Derozan a "STAR"?….Unequivocally... the answer is NO!

Is Ibaka a "STAR"? NO! Didn't Chandler beat him out for DPOY? For the record Ibaka is having a down year too.

As far as the rest of the players I mentioned I was naming the next best players that exist on the team, devoid of the best. Clearly many of whom I listed aren't "STARS", meaning the teams they are on have no STARS at present….. which only makes my case that much stronger as you along with so many tards think Melo is a true NBA star.

I think Melo is a good basketball player but it ends right there….but one who also is extremely flawed. Matter of fact he's so flawed, his skills has managed to stump 2 different franchises and several different GMs as to what it takes to put pieces around him and win big. 12yrs and counting!!!!!

Melo wish he was clutch like ISO Joe

LMAO at mentioning Blake's roster…..let me dismantle that trash of a rebuttal.

First of all Redick has been injured for about half the season, if not more with a broken hand.

"Jared you mean the guy who last year….. the great Iman Shumpert wouldn't be traded for along with a couple 2nd rd picks Dudley"….. is help for Griffin? Dudley is having a down year and has only recently picked up his game.

You mean Crawford who J.R. beat out last year for 6th Man Of The Year?

I'm not overrating anything, I agree with you the roster is bad in terms of it's mix and style of play but Melo's flaws bring down the team's ability to max whatever good is in this roster.

Let's put it this way. I'd wager to say you subtract Melo with a Prime Steve Nash I bet we're not 15-25. Although Melo is not a point guard he's simply not the kind of player who brings out the best in his teammates. All Great Players do this or have done this, that is a fact. He shouldn't be the type of player where you're looking for others to bring out the best in him….otherwise there's too much injustice in financial compensation and recognition.

So in other words you want the Knicks to have a well rounded team…..my bad scratch that, that's not what you want…... you want Melo to be saved from his own sins.
 

metrocard

Legend
the deal with those stats is just based on the fact our guys hitting those shots Melo sets up for them. Smith and Felton miss a lot of shots. The easy assist would normally be a pick and roll off to Stat or Tyson but they can't stay healthy.

Bargnani is a terrible offensive option.[/QUOTES

Of course they have to hit the open shots but do you not see so many times during a game where Melo is either bringing up the ball only to pass off to the PG and wastes 10 seconds off the clock OR he gets the ball in one on one isolation and eats 12 seconds off the clock and then passes it away..........Melo not every time but at least 50% of the time stops the ball movement.....I go to alot of Knicks games and it is painful to watch......We have no ball flow.....We agree we need a better PG but to me Pablo and Udrich do the trick.....MELO just cant hold the ball...


For you to say Griffin has Reddick, Crawford < dudley is just absurd.....The difference is the Clippers run and slash and our offense is just stagnant.....The question is if Melo and Griffin switched last night would the Clippers be the boring team to watch.......

Melo is an incredible player I just this his Basketball IQ as a team player is just lower then it needs to be for a guy to make his teamates better,

^ Basketball IQ is an empty term.

You're not going to make Felton, Smith, Stat or Bargnani better by much. Even when those guys play well, it's not enough to win. They're not good. Melo could feed these guys open shots all day, they're not efficient or strong options on offense.

ski, Redick and Crawford are top 15 SG's. Offensively they're polished and play a clean game. Both have improved defensively as well.
Dudley is a defensive specialist who can hit the 3pt shot at a 40% clip, do your research.

Clippers would be a better team with Melo because Melo and CP3 together would be the best duo in the league. Half court wise it's too deadly of a combination. The fact that Melo can actually create his own shot makes him more dangerous than Blake Griffin who has a broken offensive game. Pressure will be on Melo and Paul will have no ball pressure on him which would make Paul more dangerous and Jordan will thrive from the amount of free looks he will get by the rim.

Blake Griffin doesn't get doubled team for a reason, Melo does. Melo is the superior player and it's not even up for debate.

Ski, Melo holds on the ball because the Knicks don't have an offense and Woodson isn't a real coach. Either way, Melo doesn't dominate the ball when Pablo is on the court. Felton and Beno however are weak floor generals, if you can't admit this then you have Melo-obsession syndrome when you play other players woes on Melo. If you need medication, let me know so you can get fixed right away.
 

metrocard

Legend
The Knicks need to TRADE Carmelo Anthony so the TEAM could play above .500 b.ball, and get pass the first round.

Okay now Kiyaman, I'm going to ask you something. If you refuse to answer, you lose all credibility and can't even come near a Melo discussion against in your KnicksOnline career. Here it goes.

Yea, Melo is traded.

So who will be the top 3 scoring options for the Knicks, how many points will they average each and what will be their FG%?
In your own projection if a Melo trade goes down.
 

Broadway

All Star
A star refers to a player who makes the all star team.

Derozan has not made the All-Star game neither has Kemba, Kyle, Jamal, Redick

Metro you're making a bunch erroneous and baseless posts. Please stop typing up lies and fallacies along with long winded irrelevant irrational. You're also producing filler type responses speaking in generalizations and ambiguity.


exhibit 1


"J.R. has never had a season close to Derozan?"

Flat out lie

Derozan 2013-2014
21.2ppg, 17.8fga/gm, 42%fg, 30%fg(3pt), 78%ft, 4.2reb, 3.7ast, 1.2stl

J.R. Smith 2012-2013
18.1ppg, 15.6fga/gm, 42%fg, 36%fg(3pt), 76%ft, 5.3reb, 2.7ast, 1.3stl


exhibit 2

"Melo has been on several 50 win teams and he was by far the best player on all of them"

Flat out lie

Melo 2008-2009
Regular Season 22.9ppg, 18.3fga/gm, 44.3%fg, 37.1%fg(3pt), 79.3%ft, 6.8reb, 3.4ast, .4blk, 1.1ast
Playoffs 27.2ppg, 20.1fga/gm, 45.3%fg, 36.4f%fg(3pt), 82.5%ft, 5.8reb, 4.1ast, 0.6blk, 1.8stl

Billups 2008-2009
Regular Season 17.9ppg, 12.5fga/gm 42.5%fg, 41.0%fg(3pt), 91.3%ft, 3.0reb, 6.4ast, .2blk, 1.2stl
Playoffs 20.6ppg, 12.3fga/gm, 45.7%fg, 46.8%fg, 90.6%ft, 3.8reb, 6.8ast, .3blk, 1.3stl

From that 2008-2009 season Billups finished 6th in MVP voting and Melo didn't finish anywhere. Ironic enough that's the season he reached the furthest in the post-season as we had someone here who could mitigate his transgressions on a basketball court.

I know I know we need a near Prime Billups who was a STAR/FINALS MVP/NBA CHAMPION/ALL-NBAer….yeah those are easy to find aren't they?
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Okay now Kiyaman, I'm going to ask you something. If you refuse to answer, you lose all credibility and can't even come near a Melo discussion against in your KnicksOnline career. Here it goes.

Yea, Melo is traded.

So who will be the top 3 scoring options for the Knicks, how many points will they average each and what will be their FG%?
In your own projection if a Melo trade goes down.


In other words .. if I was the Knicks GM who traded super-star ISO-Melo, I would also cut JRsmith, and Fire Mike Woodson the same week. I would have Herb Williams finish the season as interim-headcoach .. while I interview Byron Scott & ??? to ead our coaching-staff.

Felton would still b our starter PG (What!) with PG-Pigioni as our starter SG.
Meta World Peace would be our starter SF helping to dump the ball inside to starter PF-Stat & C-Tyson.
Shump would become our 6th man off the bench, along with Barg & K-Mart to play big or small to start the 2nd quarter.
Our bench-guards Beno, Murry, and THJ will have one game-plan on offense, which will be persistent ball-movement to score, and ball movement to get the ball from one end of the court to the other end of the court.
This way our uptempo runnin bench-players will have close to the same amount of offensive possessions running as our halfcourt-set starters.
We have a veteran lineup of decent Halfcourt-set players on our roaster, and we have a young lineup of uptempo runnin transition players on our roster.
Both group of players need to b situated in lineups that plays best to their talent/skills.
Something HC Woodson can not do when Melo dont want to sit on the bench longer than 2 minute.
And the little bit of time Melo do sit on the bench, JRsmith is on the court calling shots .. However,
since the two players been Knicks we average 6 points per game on fastbreak baskets...
 

Kiyaman

Legend
A star refers to a player who makes the all star team.

DeRozan this season:
21.2 ppg
4.6 rpg
3.2 asp

He lacks a 3pt shot, but he's been Raptors go to guy and Raptors are leading the crappy atlantic. He'll probably make the all star he probably won't. He's already miles ahead of JR Smith, JR Smith never had a season close to DeMarr.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/playerrankings/regularseason/SG?&_1:col_1=2

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DeRozan is ranked 2nd in overall production at his position.
JR is ranked 32nd. Iman is ranked 31st, but we know Iman > JR, even Francisco Garcia > JR.

6th man of the year means nothing. DeMarr is the better talent, more productive and just has a better future over JR because DeMarr actually works hard on his game and doesn't get in trouble like Smith. Smith is wasted talent and now he's a scrub. This is a terrible comparison and you're desperate for even trying to convince anyone in the forum Smith > Derozan. Now we know how warped your mind is.

3G4G, LeBron wouldn't even help the Knicks win games. This roster is bottom tier. Just because Melo's team is low tier doesn't mean he isn't a star.

Tracy McGrady averaged 28 ppg, 6 rpg, 5.5 apg on 41% FG and 33% 3PT shooting, his team went 21-61 that 03-04 season. This was before they drafted Howard. T'Mac was still an all star and at 24 he best believe he still held the star status.
You're a nobody so who you call a star or not has no value. Your mentality is warped and your vision is filled with too much poisonous hatred.

Melo is extremely flawed, but Knicks had their best season in recent history since 97' under Melo and won 54 games? Melo has been on numerous 50 win teams and guess what? He was by far the best player on the team. He hasn't stump any franchise. He brought hype and great basketball to New York, the franchise itself couldn't deliver and secure a good team around Melo.

Melo is as flawed as Dominique Wilkins who's a hall of famer that has never "won" big.
You know what's funny?
Dominique and Melo had the same production.
Nique was never Jordan and Melo was never James, but both of those guys had hall of fame careers. They're stars and they always keep their teams competitive.
In fact, Melo started his career at 19 where as Nique started it at 23. Melo has 5-7 more years left in his career.
Either way, your argument holds no weight, Melo holds that star power and his performance speaks for himself. 26 ppg and 9 rpg at the SF is star production no question.

Prime Steve Nash can't help this team.
JR Smith too streaky.
Felton, Stat, Barg, Chandler too injury prone.

Shumpert and Hardaway Jr. would thrive off Nash, no question.

But when you get Nash, you get one of the worst defensive PG's in NBA history. Our defense is already bad, and Nash isn't playing with prime Amar'e Stoudemire, so that's non-sense.


I been watching NBA basketball for over 40 something years, and the lastime I seen so many poor athletic players selected to the NBA All-Star team once the new 2011 CBA rule was implemented .. were back when Super Star Julius Erving had top athletic players applying for the ABA basketball league draft, rather than the NBA draft.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Metro .... back in the daze we had millions of Carmelo Anthony coming out of college to score 30 points a game ..
Little Pete Maverick would score 50 or 60 points on any given night on any oponent, but his team would still lose the game.

We gave Allan Houston a $100M contract, while Houston's talent wasnt half as good as Latrell Sprewell all-around talent.
But Allan Houston talent/skills were much better than Carmelo Anthony on any given night.
We had so many dependable 4th quarter players on the Knicks in the last 40 years (from McAdoo, Sugar Ray, B.King), that Melo talent couldnt wear their shoe laces...
 

metrocard

Legend
1. Thanks for proving DeRozan still had the better season and his year isn't over yet.

2. DeRozan and Walker will probably make the all star team this year. They're playing like stars this year and are the best players on their roster.

3. Melo had the best PER on Denver that season, even despite it being one of his worst seasons of his career. Either way, you prove you give Melo a good PG and he can get far in the playoffs. Argument over kid.


Derozan has not made the All-Star game neither has Kemba, Kyle, Jamal, Redick

Metro you're making a bunch erroneous and baseless posts. Please stop typing up lies and fallacies along with long winded irrelevant irrational. You're also producing filler type responses speaking in generalizations and ambiguity.


exhibit 1


"J.R. has never had a season close to Derozan?"

Flat out lie




exhibit 2

"Melo has been on several 50 win teams and he was by far the best player on all of them"

Flat out lie



From that 2008-2009 season Billups finished 6th in MVP voting and Melo didn't finish anywhere. Ironic enough that's the season he reached the furthest in the post-season as we had someone here who could mitigate his transgressions on a basketball court.

I know I know we need a near Prime Billups who was a STAR/FINALS MVP/NBA CHAMPION/ALL-NBAer….yeah those are easy to find aren't they?
 

metrocard

Legend
Metro .... back in the daze we had millions of Carmelo Anthony coming out of college to score 30 points a game ..

Wrong.

There was never a college player like Melo in this era.
Melo changed the whole metta-game of NCAA basketball since his historic season at Syracuse.

How Carmelo Anthony Changed the NCAA Tournament Forever


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Mary Anthony’s only request was that her boy go to college.
In that way, she was like most American mothers.

She’d put the boy through private school on a maintenance worker’s salary, hoping it might put some distance between him and the drug-plagued patch of Baltimore they called home. Now the burden—if one could call it that—was on him.

"I really wanted him to go to get a feel of college life and to see how that education can take your farther,” Anthony would later tell The New York Times. “I told him…your education is important because you have something to fall back on. What are you falling back on?”


Anthony didn't just want her son to get by, she wanted him "to be a leader." She wanted him to thrive.

The fact that Mary Anthony was saying any of this to the New York Times ought to tell you that her boy, Carmelo, was no ordinary boy.
As a senior at basketball powerhouse Oak Hill Academy, Carmelo had averaged 22 points and 7.1 rebounds per game. Now the NBA was calling, with whispers that the 6’7” forward could go as high as the lottery.
But the boy’s ambition was no match for his mother’s dictum. Mary Anthony’s son was going to college, and amateur basketball has never been the same.

The Season

Syracuse had never won a men’s basketball national championship when Carmelo Anthony arrived on campus in the fall of 2002, and few expected that to change anytime soon.


Preston Shumpert, the program's sixth all-time leading scorer, was off to the professional ranks, and even with Shumpert in the lineup, Jim Boeheim’s team had finished a desultory 23-13 the year prior.

Anthony, the second-rated recruit in his class according to RSCI, was a big-time prospect to be sure. So too was 38th-ranked Gerry McNamara, Anthony’s newest brother in Orange.
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But back then there was no sense—either among fans or pundits—that a freshman could transform his team overnight. Previous one-and-done freshmen like Dajuan Wagner, Eddie Griffin, Rodney White, Gerald Wallace, Omar Cook, Jamal Crawford, DerMarr Johnson had all enjoyed great personal success at the college level but left little imprint on the postseason.


In several cases, their teams didn’t even qualify for the NCAA tournament.

Only in the presence of accomplished veteran players—such as those that surrounded Michigan State’s Zach Randolph and Florida’s Donnell Harvey—had a star freshman shone deep into March.
Syracuse, not surprisingly, began the season unranked.

In lock step with those modest expectations, the Orangeman dropped their season opener to Memphis, 70-63, on a
neutral court. Anthony, however, was superb. In his first collegiate game, the freshman played all 40 minutes, scored 27 points and grabbed 11 rebounds.


The AP game report called Anthony “a one-man show,” noting that he appeared unfazed by the bright lights of an arena he would someday grow to know well: Madison Square Garden.


McNamara also logged 38 minutes in the loss, while sophomore forward Hakim Warrick registered 36. Jim Boeheim had cast his lot with the young guys, and that gamble was about to pay dividends.

After the opening-day setback, Syracuse reeled off eleven straight, including wins over Georgia Tech, Seton Hall, Boston College and 11th-ranked Missouri. Anthony scored 20 or more in all but two of those contests, and by streak’s end, the Orangeman were ranked 25th in the AP poll.

Big East play was its usual slog, but Syracuse emerged from the muck with a surprising 13-3 conference record. Along the way, Anthony dropped 29 on West Virginia, 26 on Notre Dame and a career-high 30 against Georgetown.

Syracuse (24-5) entered the NCAA tournament as a three seed, and Anthony went to work. His 20 and 10 were the difference against Oklahoma in the Elite Eight, and he set a new career high with 33 points in Syracuse’s Final Four win over Player of the Year T.J. Ford and his Texas Longhorns. It was the most points ever scored by a freshman in the Final Four.

Anthony and Ford were spotted jawing during the game. When asked afterward to describe the nature of the quarrel, Anthony told reporters, “He told me I was only a freshman and I wasn't supposed to be getting all the calls I was getting.”


By then Ford should have known what Mary Anthony, the New York Times and the basketball world writ large already knew: Camelo Anthony was no ordinary freshman.

He proved it one final time with 20 points and 10 rebounds in the championship game, surviving a late scare from the Kansas Jayhawks to deliver Jim Boeheim his long-awaited first national championship.

Anthony was named the Final Four’s Most Outstanding Player, and became the first freshman ever to lead an eventual champion in scoring average, tallying 22.2 points per contest.


The man-among-boys clich? doesn’t quite apply to Carmelo Anthony’s college days, at least not in a visual or palpable sense. Anthony had yet to fill out the frame that would one day make him a low-post nightmare for undersized NBA forwards.


Compared to other recent freshmen standouts, what impressed about Anthony wasn’t his size or athleticism, but rather his preternatural basketball acumen. Commentators lauded Anthony’s unselfishness—if you can believe that now—and raved about his elusive feel for the game.


Division I had seen its share of fantastic freshmen athletes. What it hadn’t seen was a fantastic freshman leader who could elevate a team by the sheer force of his all-around play—at least not in the prep-to-pro era.

Anthony had broken new ground, and younger players were taking note.

The Aftermath
Having fulfilled his mother’s request that he spend at least one year in school, Anthony capitalized on the momentum of his breakout college season and declared for the NBA draft. He went third overall to the Denver Nuggets, and soon became one of the pro game’s best overall scorers.

Intrigued by Anthony's ascendance, other top high school prospects began to reconsider the virtues of a stopover year in college.


"I heard a couple guys say they want to be like Carmelo and play one year," Syracuse coach Jim Boehiem told Sports Illustrated in the fall of 2003. "It's like it's a Carmelo rule."

The outside reaction to Syracuse’s triumph was one of eager ambivalence, with the collective awe inspired by Anthony’s excellence juxtaposed against old bromides about waiting ones turn.
New York Times sports columnist William Rhoden captured the public mood with a piece entitled “In Experience vs. Youth, It’s Talent that Wins.”
Rhoden wrote:
I don't know if this is good or bad for college basketball. In an industry whose lifeblood is recruiting, the triumph of the Syracuse team anchored by the freshmen Carmelo Anthony and Gerry McNamara underscored the impact a recruit can have on a program.

Two years later, the NBA and its players union renegotiated their collective bargaining agreement, settling on a new age limit that required players be either 19 years old or one year removed from high school before entering the NBA draft.


The rule was rooted in Kevin Garnett’s decision to forgo college and declare for the 1995 NBA draft, a move that inspired legions of prep-to-pro imitators, and, in the eyes of some, diluted the league talent pool. But the fingerprints of Anthony’s success are also evident in the NBA’s decision.


By re-routing top prospects to college for a year, the NBA was giving elite prospects a national platform with which to enhance their starpower and increase their commercial appeal—both of which would benefit the league long term.


With the exception of the uber-hyped (see: James, LeBron), high school players are local curiosities. To the extent that these 18-year-olds have any sort of national profile, it’s usually confined to the niche realm of draft cultists and recruiting junkies.


Compare Carmelo Anthony, for example, to Amar’e Stoudemire, the single highest rated played in the high school class of 2002. Stoudemire entered the NBA straight out of high school as a relative unknown. Anthony entered the NBA one year later as a star.


The NBA wants stars. The NBA wants Carmelo Anthony.

College coaches want Carmelo Anthony, too, and many have uprooted their programs in pursuit of the best freshman talent. Kentucky, UCLA and Texas have become virtual one-and-done turnstiles, ushering in an era of upheaval unlike any the college game has ever seen.

In some cases, the talent hoarding has worked. Kentucky won the national championship in 2012 with three freshmen in the starting lineup—all of whom would matriculate to the NBA within months after capturing the crown.
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Other times, the constant turnover has had deleterious effects, as chronicled by Sports Illustrated in its 2012 expose of Ben Howland’s UCLA program.

Regardless of outcome, it’s clear that the careful calculus of program building has been fundamentally altered. So too has the college game, which is younger and more volatile than ever before.

A good deal of that can be traced back to Anthony, a player whose achievements have become the modern standard for coaches and prospects in search of instant gratification.

In a quote to Sports Illustrated in 2003, Jim Boeheim prophesied the coming wave of one-and-done freshmen, but warned against the inevitable expectations that would trail Anthony’s success.

"I think freshmen are more ready today,” Boeheim told SI. “But I think as we go on, we're probably going to start to realize how special Carmelo really was.”

A full decade after Syracuse’s triumph, Boeheim’s words ring truer than ever.

Even in an era where every great high school player is essentially forced to attend college, none has accomplished more or left a bigger mark than the one who chose to go.

In ways unforeseen, Mary Anthony had a made a leader of the boy after all.
 

metrocard

Legend
In other words .. if I was the Knicks GM who traded super-star ISO-Melo, I would also cut JRsmith, and Fire Mike Woodson the same week. I would have Herb Williams finish the season as interim-headcoach .. while I interview Byron Scott & ??? to ead our coaching-staff.

Felton would still b our starter PG (What!) with PG-Pigioni as our starter SG.
Meta World Peace would be our starter SF helping to dump the ball inside to starter PF-Stat & C-Tyson.
Shump would become our 6th man off the bench, along with Barg & K-Mart to play big or small to start the 2nd quarter.
Our bench-guards Beno, Murry, and THJ will have one game-plan on offense, which will be persistent ball-movement to score, and ball movement to get the ball from one end of the court to the other end of the court.
This way our uptempo runnin bench-players will have close to the same amount of offensive possessions running as our halfcourt-set starters.
We have a veteran lineup of decent Halfcourt-set players on our roaster, and we have a young lineup of uptempo runnin transition players on our roster.
Both group of players need to b situated in lineups that plays best to their talent/skills.
Something HC Woodson can not do when Melo dont want to sit on the bench longer than 2 minute.
And the little bit of time Melo do sit on the bench, JRsmith is on the court calling shots .. However,
since the two players been Knicks we average 6 points per game on fastbreak baskets...

So starting line up

Felton
Prigioni
World Peace
Stoudemire
Chandler

Amare would be the primary go to guy, but he only averages 17.8 per 36 minutes. We know he can't play no more than 30 minutes a game, so that would go down to 14-15 per game. He also averages 2.5-2.8 turnovers with those points and gives up over 20 points per game to the opposition.

Thats the worst possible option you can have at PF and as a primary go to guy. The only upside is Amare shoots 52%

If you think Felton is a NBA starter, your post loses all credibility.
Felton is having one of the worst seasons in NBA history as a PG just based on the element of defense. He can't guard anyone and he fails at every pick and roll, gets picked, is too sluggish to stay on his man. Offensively he does nothing good. Defensively he's a nightmare and hurts our team by just being on the court; how many leads have we lost when Woodson subs in Felton?

The fact that you want Raymond Felton to keep a starting job but Melo to be traded shows how viable your opinion is. Keep it up Kiya.
 

Broadway

All Star
1. Thanks for proving DeRozan still had the better season and his year isn't over yet.

2. DeRozan and Walker will probably make the all star team this year. They're playing like stars this year and are the best players on their roster.

3. Melo had the best PER on Denver that season, even despite it being one of his worst seasons of his career. Either way, you prove you give Melo a good PG and he can get far in the playoffs. Argument over kid.


You were proven wrong sorry man. J.R.'s season in comparison to Derozan's was only separated by FGA...You said "J.R. didn't have a season as close as Derozan"...and since you touched on Per when trying to save face with Melo and Billups...I'll use your own material against you going back to J.R. and Derozan...


Derozan 2013-2014 PER
17.24
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sg

J.R. Smith 2012-2013 PER
17.67
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sg/year/2013


I play chess in case you forgot...I have no idea what the hell you're playing it's not even checkers


Stop embellishing and telling lies. If you wouldn't go through such ridiculous lengths to defend Melo at all costs, you wouldn't receive such embarrassing results.


Again good luck finding a point guard who was a multi...ALL-STAR, a FINALS MVP, NBA CHAMPION, multi-ALL-NBAer, Top 10 at his position for a 5-7yr stretch because that's what it will take to get Melo to stay in the lane he belongs....At the moment none are available and Melo wants his paper. Stop talking fantasy what ifs..anyone can say anything in regards to..what if or only if we could or if we had yada yada...bibble babble


But I'm all for bringing in a point guard that will regulate Melo to the extent he's a 22-23ppg scorer like Melo lied to all of us last year saying he'd make the sacrifice to drop his scoring average. I'm all for bringing in a point guard who will not allow Melo to shoot 22FGA/gm but instead 17-18FGA/gm max. I'm all for bringing in a point guard that would challenge his league MVP candidacy, making him not part of the conversation. I'm for whatever will Mitigate Melo to his proper role and Elevate Team Success.
 
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skisloper

Starter
So starting line up

Felton
Prigioni
World Peace
Stoudemire
Chandler

Amare would be the primary go to guy, but he only averages 17.8 per 36 minutes. We know he can't play no more than 30 minutes a game, so that would go down to 14-15 per game. He also averages 2.5-2.8 turnovers with those points and gives up over 20 points per game to the opposition.

Thats the worst possible option you can have at PF and as a primary go to guy. The only upside is Amare shoots 52%



Metro .....Felton cannot be traded because nobody wants him......However according to your opinion teams would jump at the chance to land Carmelo Anthony.........The assets according to you one can obtain by trading a signed Melo would be huge.........Personally I tend to disagree with you........Ball movement as you see is what makes great player become great teamates......and whether Woody encourages it or not MELO slows the flow down.....Lets not blame it on Melo but he is a huge part of that slow down creation.
If you think Felton is a NBA starter, your post loses all credibility.
Felton is having one of the worst seasons in NBA history as a PG just based on the element of defense. He can't guard anyone and he fails at every pick and roll, gets picked, is too sluggish to stay on his man. Offensively he does nothing good. Defensively he's a nightmare and hurts our team by just being on the court; how many leads have we lost when Woodson subs in Felton?
 

skisloper

Starter
Metro .....Felton cannot be traded because nobody wants him......However according to your opinion teams would jump at the chance to land Carmelo Anthony.........The assets according to you one can obtain by trading a signed Melo would be huge.........Personally I tend to disagree with you........Ball movement as you see is what makes great player become great teamates......and whether Woody encourages it or not MELO slows the flow down.....Lets not blame it on Melo but he is a huge part of that slow down creation.
 

metrocard

Legend
DeRozan is starting on his team though. JR is too erratic.
DeRozan is a career 45% shooter, his 42% will increase so will his per. DeRozan most likely will finish with a superior season to JR's last year.
In fact, JR of last year is dead anyway. DeRozan has gotten better with each season and he's 24.
JR hasn't made any improvements since 2008 when he was 22-23.

Your last two paragraphs are embarrassing.
You're ashamed of yourself.
You strengthen the argument in favor of Melo by bringing Billups up.
Melo has shown in past history if you give him a good player, the team will be very good.
That how it goes with any star player.

Melo is a top 10 NBA player, we surround him with a good PG and Big man, and two wing players with the right coach this team can compete for a championship.

I know we're far away from that because this franchise failed the entire design of this team, but that's a fact. Melo is that good of a player and it pains you know that. Deeply, you want to die because of it.

You're the type of Knick fan that would be upset if Knicks won a championship with Melo because everything you've been trying to convince to yourself would explode inside of you and expose you as a fraudulent Knick fan. You're at the edge of the cliff with your lies and fabrications.


You were proven wrong sorry man. J.R.'s season in comparison to Derozan's was only separated by FGA...You said "J.R. didn't have a season as close as Derozan"...and since you touched on Per when trying to save face with Melo and Billups...I'll use your own material against you going back to J.R. and Derozan...


Derozan 2013-2014 PER
17.24
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sg

J.R. Smith 2012-2013 PER
17.67
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sg/year/2013


I play chess in case you forgot...I have no idea what the hell you're playing it's not even checkers


Stop embellishing and telling lies. If you wouldn't go through such ridiculous lengths to defend Melo at all costs, you wouldn't receive such embarrassing results.


Again good luck finding a point guard who was a multi...ALL-STAR, a FINALS MVP, NBA CHAMPION, multi-ALL-NBAer, Top 10 at his position for a 5-7yr stretch because that's what it will take to get Melo to stay in the lane he belongs....At the moment none are available and Melo wants his paper. Stop talking fantasy what ifs..anyone can say anything in regards to..what if or only if we could or if we had yada yada...bibble babble


But I'm all for bringing in a point guard that will regulate Melo to the extent he's a 22-23ppg scorer like Melo lied to all of us last year saying he'd make the sacrifice to drop his scoring average. I'm all for bringing in a point guard who will not allow Melo to shoot 22FGA/gm but instead 17-18FGA/gm max. I'm all for bringing in a point guard that would challenge his league MVP candidacy, making him not part of the conversation. I'm for whatever will Mitigate Melo to his proper role and Elevate Team Success.
 

Broadway

All Star
He lacks a 3pt shot, but he's been Raptors go to guy and Raptors are leading the crappy atlantic. He'll probably make the all star he probably won't. He's already miles ahead of JR Smith, JR Smith never had a season close to DeMarr.

Sorry no matter how hard you try, you can't undo this....your white flag was raised many posts ago.
 

skisloper

Starter
DeRozan is starting on his team though. JR is too erratic.
DeRozan is a career 45% shooter, his 42% will increase so will his per. DeRozan most likely will finish with a superior season to JR's last year.
In fact, JR of last year is dead anyway. DeRozan has gotten better with each season and he's 24.
JR hasn't made any improvements since 2008 when he was 22-23.

Your last two paragraphs are embarrassing.
You're ashamed of yourself.
You strengthen the argument in favor of Melo by bringing Billups up.
Melo has shown in past history if you give him a good player, the team will be very good.
That how it goes with any star player.

Melo is a top 10 NBA player, we surround him with a good PG and Big man, and two wing players with the right coach this team can compete for a championship.

I know we're far away from that because this franchise failed the entire design of this team, but that's a fact. Melo is that good of a player and it pains you know that. Deeply, you want to die because of it.

You're the type of Knick fan that would be upset if Knicks won a championship with Melo because everything you've been trying to convince to yourself would explode inside of you and expose you as a fraudulent Knick fan. You're at the edge of the cliff with your lies and fabrications.


Metro in your opinion what team would be willing to do a sign and trade with us for Superstar Melo ?
 
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