Last edited by Broadway; Dec 26, 2013 at 14:50.
Can you all imagine if Chandler and Gallo were here, both putting up 15/5 or thereabouts and we were sitting at 9-19….
Let me say, i didn't say also a young prospect. Just a decent player and a first rounder...On a side note, no i don't think they would, unless they wanted to win a championship this year, and Melo is the missing piece...
Teams i think would benefit with Melo playing for them and this maybe working out, considering, they would have to think they have a chance of resigning him...Clippers, Suns or Lakers with the last 2 not really having a chance to win this year
I still think Dolan keeps Melo, offers him rediculous $$$ to stay, and Melo realizes he will never win a ring
ofcourse I doubt he will be traded, and it will continue to be a long..long season...
First of all let's stop with the Mythical talk of Melo being constantly double and triple teamed on a nightly basis.
We lose with him getting single coverage many nights during the regular season.
For crying out loud Micheal Kidd Gilchrist treated him like the stepfather he wish he never saw.
For the love of chucking this Albatross shot 9-29 against the almighty Bucks being guarded by Middleton and Alawatweedudah…..Yeah who are they? I know that's what I was thinking when typing their names.
In the Playoffs he's shown us he can't do all the damage drumpt up in so many faulty cabbages by fans running with this line of thinking. He has been bodied by the likes of George/Battier/Lebron/Dengs/Jeff Green etc etc…..then you have the Kawhais/Batums/Parsons/Iggy getting they groove on
And you most certainly don't want to put him back out west to deal with San Antonio…..you know the team Melo NutButtmunchers caress as an excuse as to why he couldn't advance in the playoff while in Denver. San Antonio used the Clippers like a dirty hanky last year for your information and Melo solves none of the issues as to why that team would once again be a nightmare matchup for them.
When you talk Melo and Success…...you're talking Melo and Deadends
Same thing with Melo on the right wing, but then he has an out with his driving right, baseline, and then making a quick attempt before the help is ready, and that's where he gets a lot of his offensive rebounds (I'd say the majority of his offensive boards come off of his own shots when he's driving right.)
I almost never see Melo in a straight up single coverage, where the defense isn't dictating what he can and can't do.
With this "genius" offense of "swing the ball around the perimeter" you're playing right into the defenses hands. With only one guy on Melo, at least until he makes his move, you can honor every one else who's just standing there. The defense is promoting a cross court pass to someone who's likely open in the complete opposite corner (how many times have we seen Melo do that?).
Our offense plays right into a defense that's loading the side with the ball. That's why it looks so much better with Prigs, because you can see him orchestrating on his way up the court with the ball. The offensive possession doesn't begin with dribbling the clock down and bailing out to Melo. Other players have to be accounted for earlier in the shot clock, and the possession may end with Melo and even then the defense is trying to account for all of his options, with more than one player, but because of the prior movement and Prigs directing, they don't have enough time to get it together and stop a dude who's a lethal scorer.
But you've seen Melo being played 1-on-1? Cause there's only one guy in the immediate vicinity? So the rest of the team's schematic positioning means nothing? The only times Melo is truly 1-on-1 is in transition, or if there's a break-down in the defense (which a comprehensive point guard will either create, or try to orchestrate.)
It doesn't matter who the player is, and who's bodying them when you have at least two more dudes on the court looking directly at the player with the ball...not even worried about who they're assigned to, because they know they'll be right there...cause they ain't gonna move.
Now...if you're talking about Melo in the post, being bodied up by someone on the low-block...that's a silly argument. Play in the post on the block does not equate to play on the perimeter, post or facing the basket.
My brother got me a Melo 'Cuse jersey for Christmas and its very very sweet. Loved that title game. Need a Oak Hill one to complete the collection.
Maybe Melo's ASSISTS aren't as high as people would like due to him juicing up that red clock.
I know that Melo passes the ball - last year he was doing it exceptionally well, but the issue is that its about when he chooses to pass it up.
He doesn't share the ball or allow movement amongst his teammates unless there's about 7 seconds on the shot clock. He isolates himself, does his dribble, jab, dribble, Pumpfake, then either chucks it up or hurries a pass that leads to bad shot selection due to time remaining and teammates not confident they can hurry a shot with 3 seconds left on the clock.
This is where his BALLHOGGING reputation stems from.
He's hurting his teammates' confidence.
I appreciate you speaking on the specific nuances of the game but sorry gotta chin check your reply
Melo is guarded for the most part singularly with some help defense but guess what….there are lots of offensive players in this league where defenses have schemes built in, to be the second line of help.
The players I mentioned in my post above guard him for the most singularly until he gets in the paint(which once again is the scheme most defenses will use no matter who enters once they past the first line of defense)
Melo is guarded mano-a-mano by….
Micheal Kidd Gilchrist
Al Farouq Aminu
Now to Melo's credit he's gotten the better of some of these guys in spurts, he may see different guys from a single team thrown at him…... but please let's stop acting like Melo is seeing 2-3 defenders(simultaneously or even staggered) every game. He's not. No need to perpetuate such a lie. One of the primary reasons we know this to be because Melo for the most part is lazy and has poor shot selection. He shoots tons of jumpers. He doesn't have 2 defenders constantly lunging at his jump shots. Melo is doubled about 25% of his games if that, which is no different than any other major offensive threat in this league.
Last edited by Broadway; Dec 26, 2013 at 22:44.
Stop overrating Melo's team desperately to make it look like Melo has flaws in being a team. It makes you look very unfamilar with the NBA and just your prototypical Melo hater.
and if you want some facts, let's take a look at Melo's teammates.
2nd leading scorer on the team is Bargnani.
He's shooting .437% which is the worst amongst 7 footers.
His abysmal 28% from downtown when 3pt shooting is suppose to be something he gets paid to do. He's a career 35% 3pt shooter so it's not he's a good 3pt shooter, average at best who settles to play on the perimeter too much.
Factor in his 5rpg in 30mpg and terrible defense and you have the worst starting PF/C in the NBA, arguably. He's by the most overpaid and that's not even an argument.
He is such a terrible fit next to Melo when we already had amare and Jr too. And Toronto was ready to amnesty him and would have taken anything for him. Yet we saved them a bunch of cash, there amnesty and tossed in picks. What a joke. We got ripped off as usual. Now no team will even deal with us unless we toss in picks and cash. Shows how clueless our front office is. We need someone with a clue. Knicks gave away multiple draft picks for free to Toronto...so they should be extremely happy that we provided them with a hopeful future.
JR Smith is the 3rd leading scorer on this team.
4.5 rebounds per game
Not a top 25 SG.
Worst defender at his position, even worse than Jose Calderon
Not even a top 40 PG.
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Great rookie and has provided a lot for this team and proved me wrong as a doubter.
Even when he plays well he hurts the team.
He averages below 7 rebounds per 36 minutes
He gets abused on defense.
Chandler and Martin can't stay healthy.
World Peace and Prigioni get no minutes.
So who do you want Melo to play with when the majority of the roster are the weakest bunch in the NBA?
Last edited by metrocard; Dec 27, 2013 at 01:04.
STOP..JUST STOP with all this team MELO BS.
Even if we do bring in a young up and coming PG that likes to play TEAM ball, MELO & JR will run him out of town the same way he did with LIN. The LIN situation is a PERFECT example of how MELO can never co-exist with another star in the big apple.
How long has MELO been in the league? How much success in the playoffs again? There will never be 'good' enough team for MELO. MELO is selfish, ball-hogging, spotlight stealing player. Anyone that think he can ever be successful in this league need to take another puff.
This years issues stem from a bunch of things unrelated to Carmelo.
Once Tyson got hurt, I said the Knicks could miss the playoffs because we have no interior defenders besides him. Things should get better as Chandler gets more healthy but there is no question why we couldn't win anything without him. Yah Tyson has no offensive game other than dunks and alleyoops and he's not rebounding as well as he used to, but he does a good job protecting the rim. This is why i said a player like Omer Asik would be a huge help for this team. JR Smith is another problem this year. JR last year was putting up great numbers, and he played competitive d on a nightly basis (prob because he was only making 2 million). Most important about JR Last year was that he was getting to the line. This year he's probably putting up the worst stats of all time for someone who gets 30+ minutes a game. Too many times he just jacks it.