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    Metro .... back in the daze we had millions of Carmelo Anthony coming out of college to score 30 points a game ..
    Little Pete Maverick would score 50 or 60 points on any given night on any oponent, but his team would still lose the game.

    We gave Allan Houston a $100M contract, while Houston's talent wasnt half as good as Latrell Sprewell all-around talent.
    But Allan Houston talent/skills were much better than Carmelo Anthony on any given night.
    We had so many dependable 4th quarter players on the Knicks in the last 40 years (from McAdoo, Sugar Ray, B.King), that Melo talent couldnt wear their shoe laces...

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    1. Thanks for proving DeRozan still had the better season and his year isn't over yet.

    2. DeRozan and Walker will probably make the all star team this year. They're playing like stars this year and are the best players on their roster.

    3. Melo had the best PER on Denver that season, even despite it being one of his worst seasons of his career. Either way, you prove you give Melo a good PG and he can get far in the playoffs. Argument over kid.


    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    Derozan has not made the All-Star game neither has Kemba, Kyle, Jamal, Redick

    Metro you're making a bunch erroneous and baseless posts. Please stop typing up lies and fallacies along with long winded irrelevant irrational. You're also producing filler type responses speaking in generalizations and ambiguity.


    exhibit 1


    "J.R. has never had a season close to Derozan?"

    Flat out lie




    exhibit 2

    "Melo has been on several 50 win teams and he was by far the best player on all of them"

    Flat out lie



    From that 2008-2009 season Billups finished 6th in MVP voting and Melo didn't finish anywhere. Ironic enough that's the season he reached the furthest in the post-season as we had someone here who could mitigate his transgressions on a basketball court.

    I know I know we need a near Prime Billups who was a STAR/FINALS MVP/NBA CHAMPION/ALL-NBAer….yeah those are easy to find aren't they?

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Metro .... back in the daze we had millions of Carmelo Anthony coming out of college to score 30 points a game ..
    Wrong.

    There was never a college player like Melo in this era.
    Melo changed the whole metta-game of NCAA basketball since his historic season at Syracuse.

    How Carmelo Anthony Changed the NCAA Tournament Forever




    Mary Anthony’s only request was that her boy go to college.
    In that way, she was like most American mothers.

    She’d put the boy through private school on a maintenance worker’s salary, hoping it might put some distance between him and the drug-plagued patch of Baltimore they called home. Now the burden—if one could call it that—was on him.

    "I really wanted him to go to get a feel of college life and to see how that education can take your farther,” Anthony would [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] The New York Times. “I told him…your education is important because you have something to fall back on. What are you falling back on?”


    Anthony didn't just want her son to get by, she wanted him "to be a leader." She wanted him to thrive.

    The fact that Mary Anthony was saying any of this to the New York Times ought to tell you that her boy, Carmelo, was no ordinary boy.
    As a senior at basketball powerhouse Oak Hill Academy, Carmelo had [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] per game. Now the NBA was calling, with whispers that the 6’7” forward could go as high as the lottery.
    But the boy’s ambition was no match for his mother’s dictum. Mary Anthony’s son was going to college, and amateur basketball has never been the same.

    The Season

    Syracuse had never won a men’s basketball national championship when Carmelo Anthony arrived on campus in the fall of 2002, and few expected that to change anytime soon.


    Preston Shumpert, the program's [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] leading scorer, was off to the professional ranks, and even with Shumpert in the lineup, Jim Boeheim’s team had finished a desultory 23-13 the year prior.

    Anthony, the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] according to RSCI, was a big-time prospect to be sure. So too was 38th-ranked Gerry McNamara, Anthony’s newest brother in Orange.

    But back then there was no sense—either among fans or pundits—that a freshman could transform his team overnight. Previous one-and-done freshmen like Dajuan Wagner, Eddie Griffin, Rodney White, Gerald Wallace, Omar Cook, Jamal Crawford, DerMarr Johnson had all enjoyed great personal success at the college level but left little imprint on the postseason.


    In several cases, their teams didn’t even qualify for the NCAA tournament.

    Only in the presence of accomplished veteran players—such as those that surrounded Michigan State’s Zach Randolph and Florida’s Donnell Harvey—had a star freshman shone deep into March.
    Syracuse, not surprisingly, began the season unranked.

    In lock step with those modest expectations, the Orangeman dropped their season opener to Memphis, 70-63, on a
    neutral court. Anthony, however, was superb. In his first collegiate game, the freshman played all 40 minutes, scored 27 points and grabbed 11 rebounds.


    The [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] called Anthony “a one-man show,” noting that he appeared unfazed by the bright lights of an arena he would someday grow to know well: Madison Square Garden.


    McNamara also logged 38 minutes in the loss, while sophomore forward Hakim Warrick registered 36. Jim Boeheim had cast his lot with the young guys, and that gamble was about to pay dividends.

    After the opening-day setback, Syracuse reeled off eleven straight, including wins over Georgia Tech, Seton Hall, Boston College and 11th-ranked Missouri. Anthony scored 20 or more in all but two of those contests, and by streak’s end, the Orangeman were ranked 25th in the AP poll.

    Big East play was its usual slog, but Syracuse emerged from the muck with a surprising 13-3 conference record. Along the way, Anthony dropped 29 on West Virginia, 26 on Notre Dame and a career-high 30 against Georgetown.

    Syracuse (24-5) entered the NCAA tournament as a three seed, and Anthony went to work. His 20 and 10 were the difference against Oklahoma in the Elite Eight, and he set a new career high with 33 points in Syracuse’s Final Four win over Player of the Year T.J. Ford and his Texas Longhorns. It was the most points ever scored by a freshman in the Final Four.

    Anthony and Ford were spotted jawing during the game. When asked afterward to describe the nature of the quarrel, Anthony [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], “He told me I was only a freshman and I wasn't supposed to be getting all the calls I was getting.”


    By then Ford should have known what Mary Anthony, the New York Times and the basketball world writ large already knew: Camelo Anthony was no ordinary freshman.

    He proved it one final time with 20 points and 10 rebounds in the championship game, surviving a late scare from the Kansas Jayhawks to deliver Jim Boeheim his long-awaited first national championship.

    Anthony was named the Final Four’s Most Outstanding Player, and became the first freshman ever to lead an eventual champion in scoring average, tallying 22.2 points per contest.


    The man-among-boys cliché doesn’t quite apply to Carmelo Anthony’s college days, at least not in a visual or palpable sense. Anthony had yet to fill out the frame that would one day make him a low-post nightmare for undersized NBA forwards.


    Compared to other recent freshmen standouts, what impressed about Anthony wasn’t his size or athleticism, but rather his preternatural basketball acumen. Commentators lauded Anthony’s unselfishness—if you can believe that now—and raved about his elusive feel for the game.


    Division I had seen its share of fantastic freshmen athletes. What it hadn’t seen was a fantastic freshman leader who could elevate a team by the sheer force of his all-around play—at least not in the prep-to-pro era.

    Anthony had broken new ground, and younger players were taking note.

    The Aftermath
    Having fulfilled his mother’s request that he spend at least one year in school, Anthony capitalized on the momentum of his breakout college season and declared for the NBA draft. He went third overall to the Denver Nuggets, and soon became one of the pro game’s best overall scorers.

    Intrigued by Anthony's ascendance, other top high school prospects began to reconsider the virtues of a stopover year in college.


    "I heard a couple guys say they want to be like Carmelo and play one year," Syracuse coach Jim Boehiem told [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] in the fall of 2003. "It's like it's a Carmelo rule."

    The outside reaction to Syracuse’s triumph was one of eager ambivalence, with the collective awe inspired by Anthony’s excellence juxtaposed against old bromides about waiting ones turn.
    New York Times sports columnist William Rhoden captured the public mood with a piece entitled “In Experience vs. Youth, It’s Talent that Wins.”
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    I don't know if this is good or bad for college basketball. In an industry whose lifeblood is recruiting, the triumph of the Syracuse team anchored by the freshmen Carmelo Anthony and Gerry McNamara underscored the impact a recruit can have on a program.

    Two years later, the NBA and its players union renegotiated their collective bargaining agreement, settling on a new age limit that required players be either 19 years old or one year removed from high school before entering the NBA draft.


    The [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] in Kevin Garnett’s decision to forgo college and declare for the 1995 NBA draft, a move that inspired legions of prep-to-pro imitators, and, in the eyes of some, diluted the league talent pool. But the fingerprints of Anthony’s success are also evident in the NBA’s decision.


    By re-routing top prospects to college for a year, the NBA was giving elite prospects a national platform with which to enhance their starpower and increase their commercial appeal—both of which would benefit the league long term.


    With the exception of the uber-hyped (see: James, LeBron), high school players are local curiosities. To the extent that these 18-year-olds have any sort of national profile, it’s usually confined to the niche realm of draft cultists and recruiting junkies.


    Compare Carmelo Anthony, for example, to Amar’e Stoudemire, the single highest rated played in the high school class of 2002. Stoudemire entered the NBA straight out of high school as a relative unknown. Anthony entered the NBA one year later as a star.


    The NBA wants stars. The NBA wants Carmelo Anthony.

    College coaches want Carmelo Anthony, too, and many have uprooted their programs in pursuit of the best freshman talent. Kentucky, UCLA and Texas have become virtual one-and-done turnstiles, ushering in an era of upheaval unlike any the college game has ever seen.

    In some cases, the talent hoarding has worked. Kentucky won the national championship in 2012 with three freshmen in the starting lineup—all of whom would matriculate to the NBA within months after capturing the crown.

    Other times, the constant turnover has had deleterious effects, as chronicled by Sports Illustrated in its [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] of Ben Howland’s UCLA program.

    Regardless of outcome, it’s clear that the careful calculus of program building has been fundamentally altered. So too has the college game, which is younger and more volatile than ever before.

    A good deal of that can be traced back to Anthony, a player whose achievements have become the modern standard for coaches and prospects in search of instant gratification.

    In a quote to Sports Illustrated in 2003, Jim Boeheim prophesied the coming wave of one-and-done freshmen, but warned against the inevitable expectations that would trail Anthony’s success.

    "I think freshmen are more ready today,” [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. “But I think as we go on, we're probably going to start to realize how special Carmelo really was.”

    A full decade after Syracuse’s triumph, Boeheim’s words ring truer than ever.

    Even in an era where every great high school player is essentially forced to attend college, none has accomplished more or left a bigger mark than the one who chose to go.

    In ways unforeseen, Mary Anthony had a made a leader of the boy after all.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    In other words .. if I was the Knicks GM who traded super-star ISO-Melo, I would also cut JRsmith, and Fire Mike Woodson the same week. I would have Herb Williams finish the season as interim-headcoach .. while I interview Byron Scott & ??? to ead our coaching-staff.

    Felton would still b our starter PG (What!) with PG-Pigioni as our starter SG.
    Meta World Peace would be our starter SF helping to dump the ball inside to starter PF-Stat & C-Tyson.
    Shump would become our 6th man off the bench, along with Barg & K-Mart to play big or small to start the 2nd quarter.
    Our bench-guards Beno, Murry, and THJ will have one game-plan on offense, which will be persistent ball-movement to score, and ball movement to get the ball from one end of the court to the other end of the court.
    This way our uptempo runnin bench-players will have close to the same amount of offensive possessions running as our halfcourt-set starters.
    We have a veteran lineup of decent Halfcourt-set players on our roaster, and we have a young lineup of uptempo runnin transition players on our roster.
    Both group of players need to b situated in lineups that plays best to their talent/skills.
    Something HC Woodson can not do when Melo dont want to sit on the bench longer than 2 minute.
    And the little bit of time Melo do sit on the bench, JRsmith is on the court calling shots .. However,
    since the two players been Knicks we average 6 points per game on fastbreak baskets...
    So starting line up

    Felton
    Prigioni
    World Peace
    Stoudemire
    Chandler

    Amare would be the primary go to guy, but he only averages 17.8 per 36 minutes. We know he can't play no more than 30 minutes a game, so that would go down to 14-15 per game. He also averages 2.5-2.8 turnovers with those points and gives up over 20 points per game to the opposition.

    Thats the worst possible option you can have at PF and as a primary go to guy. The only upside is Amare shoots 52%

    If you think Felton is a NBA starter, your post loses all credibility.
    Felton is having one of the worst seasons in NBA history as a PG just based on the element of defense. He can't guard anyone and he fails at every pick and roll, gets picked, is too sluggish to stay on his man. Offensively he does nothing good. Defensively he's a nightmare and hurts our team by just being on the court; how many leads have we lost when Woodson subs in Felton?

    The fact that you want Raymond Felton to keep a starting job but Melo to be traded shows how viable your opinion is. Keep it up Kiya.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    1. Thanks for proving DeRozan still had the better season and his year isn't over yet.

    2. DeRozan and Walker will probably make the all star team this year. They're playing like stars this year and are the best players on their roster.

    3. Melo had the best PER on Denver that season, even despite it being one of his worst seasons of his career. Either way, you prove you give Melo a good PG and he can get far in the playoffs. Argument over kid.

    You were proven wrong sorry man. J.R.'s season in comparison to Derozan's was only separated by FGA...You said "J.R. didn't have a season as close as Derozan"...and since you touched on Per when trying to save face with Melo and Billups...I'll use your own material against you going back to J.R. and Derozan...


    Derozan 2013-2014 PER
    17.24
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    J.R. Smith 2012-2013 PER
    17.67
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    I play chess in case you forgot...I have no idea what the hell you're playing it's not even checkers


    Stop embellishing and telling lies. If you wouldn't go through such ridiculous lengths to defend Melo at all costs, you wouldn't receive such embarrassing results.


    Again good luck finding a point guard who was a multi...ALL-STAR, a FINALS MVP, NBA CHAMPION, multi-ALL-NBAer, Top 10 at his position for a 5-7yr stretch because that's what it will take to get Melo to stay in the lane he belongs....At the moment none are available and Melo wants his paper. Stop talking fantasy what ifs..anyone can say anything in regards to..what if or only if we could or if we had yada yada...bibble babble


    But I'm all for bringing in a point guard that will regulate Melo to the extent he's a 22-23ppg scorer like Melo lied to all of us last year saying he'd make the sacrifice to drop his scoring average. I'm all for bringing in a point guard who will not allow Melo to shoot 22FGA/gm but instead 17-18FGA/gm max. I'm all for bringing in a point guard that would challenge his league MVP candidacy, making him not part of the conversation. I'm for whatever will Mitigate Melo to his proper role and Elevate Team Success.
    Last edited by 3G4G; Jan 19, 2014 at 12:51.

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    [QUOTE=metrocard;281940]So starting line up

    Felton
    Prigioni
    World Peace
    Stoudemire
    Chandler

    Amare would be the primary go to guy, but he only averages 17.8 per 36 minutes. We know he can't play no more than 30 minutes a game, so that would go down to 14-15 per game. He also averages 2.5-2.8 turnovers with those points and gives up over 20 points per game to the opposition.

    Thats the worst possible option you can have at PF and as a primary go to guy. The only upside is Amare shoots 52%



    Metro .....Felton cannot be traded because nobody wants him......However according to your opinion teams would jump at the chance to land Carmelo Anthony.........The assets according to you one can obtain by trading a signed Melo would be huge.........Personally I tend to disagree with you........Ball movement as you see is what makes great player become great teamates......and whether Woody encourages it or not MELO slows the flow down.....Lets not blame it on Melo but he is a huge part of that slow down creation.
    If you think Felton is a NBA starter, your post loses all credibility.
    Felton is having one of the worst seasons in NBA history as a PG just based on the element of defense. He can't guard anyone and he fails at every pick and roll, gets picked, is too sluggish to stay on his man. Offensively he does nothing good. Defensively he's a nightmare and hurts our team by just being on the court; how many leads have we lost when Woodson subs in Felton?

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    Metro .....Felton cannot be traded because nobody wants him......However according to your opinion teams would jump at the chance to land Carmelo Anthony.........The assets according to you one can obtain by trading a signed Melo would be huge.........Personally I tend to disagree with you........Ball movement as you see is what makes great player become great teamates......and whether Woody encourages it or not MELO slows the flow down.....Lets not blame it on Melo but he is a huge part of that slow down creation.

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    DeRozan is starting on his team though. JR is too erratic.
    DeRozan is a career 45% shooter, his 42% will increase so will his per. DeRozan most likely will finish with a superior season to JR's last year.
    In fact, JR of last year is dead anyway. DeRozan has gotten better with each season and he's 24.
    JR hasn't made any improvements since 2008 when he was 22-23.

    Your last two paragraphs are embarrassing.
    You're ashamed of yourself.
    You strengthen the argument in favor of Melo by bringing Billups up.
    Melo has shown in past history if you give him a good player, the team will be very good.
    That how it goes with any star player.

    Melo is a top 10 NBA player, we surround him with a good PG and Big man, and two wing players with the right coach this team can compete for a championship.

    I know we're far away from that because this franchise failed the entire design of this team, but that's a fact. Melo is that good of a player and it pains you know that. Deeply, you want to die because of it.

    You're the type of Knick fan that would be upset if Knicks won a championship with Melo because everything you've been trying to convince to yourself would explode inside of you and expose you as a fraudulent Knick fan. You're at the edge of the cliff with your lies and fabrications.


    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    You were proven wrong sorry man. J.R.'s season in comparison to Derozan's was only separated by FGA...You said "J.R. didn't have a season as close as Derozan"...and since you touched on Per when trying to save face with Melo and Billups...I'll use your own material against you going back to J.R. and Derozan...


    Derozan 2013-2014 PER
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    J.R. Smith 2012-2013 PER
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    I play chess in case you forgot...I have no idea what the hell you're playing it's not even checkers


    Stop embellishing and telling lies. If you wouldn't go through such ridiculous lengths to defend Melo at all costs, you wouldn't receive such embarrassing results.


    Again good luck finding a point guard who was a multi...ALL-STAR, a FINALS MVP, NBA CHAMPION, multi-ALL-NBAer, Top 10 at his position for a 5-7yr stretch because that's what it will take to get Melo to stay in the lane he belongs....At the moment none are available and Melo wants his paper. Stop talking fantasy what ifs..anyone can say anything in regards to..what if or only if we could or if we had yada yada...bibble babble


    But I'm all for bringing in a point guard that will regulate Melo to the extent he's a 22-23ppg scorer like Melo lied to all of us last year saying he'd make the sacrifice to drop his scoring average. I'm all for bringing in a point guard who will not allow Melo to shoot 22FGA/gm but instead 17-18FGA/gm max. I'm all for bringing in a point guard that would challenge his league MVP candidacy, making him not part of the conversation. I'm for whatever will Mitigate Melo to his proper role and Elevate Team Success.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    He lacks a 3pt shot, but he's been Raptors go to guy and Raptors are leading the crappy atlantic. He'll probably make the all star he probably won't. He's already miles ahead of JR Smith, JR Smith never had a season close to DeMarr.
    Sorry no matter how hard you try, you can't undo this....your white flag was raised many posts ago.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    DeRozan is starting on his team though. JR is too erratic.
    DeRozan is a career 45% shooter, his 42% will increase so will his per. DeRozan most likely will finish with a superior season to JR's last year.
    In fact, JR of last year is dead anyway. DeRozan has gotten better with each season and he's 24.
    JR hasn't made any improvements since 2008 when he was 22-23.

    Your last two paragraphs are embarrassing.
    You're ashamed of yourself.
    You strengthen the argument in favor of Melo by bringing Billups up.
    Melo has shown in past history if you give him a good player, the team will be very good.
    That how it goes with any star player.

    Melo is a top 10 NBA player, we surround him with a good PG and Big man, and two wing players with the right coach this team can compete for a championship.

    I know we're far away from that because this franchise failed the entire design of this team, but that's a fact. Melo is that good of a player and it pains you know that. Deeply, you want to die because of it.

    You're the type of Knick fan that would be upset if Knicks won a championship with Melo because everything you've been trying to convince to yourself would explode inside of you and expose you as a fraudulent Knick fan. You're at the edge of the cliff with your lies and fabrications.

    Metro in your opinion what team would be willing to do a sign and trade with us for Superstar Melo ?

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Our record is 15-25 because we have Raymond Felton, JR Smith, Amare Stoudmire, Beno Udrih and Andrea Bargnani as a core to "help" Melo. You're too much of a coward right now to be realistic and understand Melo is the best thing we have on this team and he's surrounded by a bunch of losers....Melo hasn't made any fuss and has been professional about the whole thing too.

    Godforbid Melo says something off in the media, you and 3G will on it and say Melo is a cancer to the locker when he's given this team 40 minutes a night of hard basketball playing out of position and being the best rebounder on this team and has picked up his defense and has probably been the best defender recently.

    u actually think a career 38 minute, 6 rebound Melo can outrebound ....
    a career 26 minute 9 rebound Tyson
    a career 28 minute 7 rebound K-Mart
    a career 32 minute 9 rebound Amare

    u just watch a Knicks TEAM win 6 games out of 7 games .. and then u listen to Carmelo's comment on winning the East best player of the week award, and not mention any of his teammates or use the term we or team.
    Injuries to veterans K-Mart & Stat happen real fast after Carmelo's comment.
    When have MWP ever been out with injury for more than 3 games????

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    Metro .....Felton cannot be traded because nobody wants him......However according to your opinion teams would jump at the chance to land Carmelo Anthony.........The assets according to you one can obtain by trading a signed Melo would be huge.........Personally I tend to disagree with you........Ball movement as you see is what makes great player become great teamates......and whether Woody encourages it or not MELO slows the flow down.....Lets not blame it on Melo but he is a huge part of that slow down creation.
    Melo has been on teams where ball movement was prevalent and most of his teams has finished top 5 in offense each season.

    What's amazing about Melo is that in his rookie season, Denver was a very good offensive team

    03-04 - 5th in PPG
    04-05 - 8th in PPG
    05-06 - 5th in PPG
    06-07 - 3rd in PPG
    07-08 - 2nd in PPG
    08-09 - 5th in PPG
    09-10 - 3rd in PPG

    with the Knicks
    10-11 - 2nd in PPG (D'Antoni era)
    11-12 - 11th in PPG (D'Antoni - Woodson)
    12-13 - 11th in PPG (Woodson
    13-14 - 25th in PPG

    Is it a Melo problem, or a team personnel problem?

    Melo has a long history on being teams that move the ball well, high paced offenses that finish amongst the top 5 in offense every season.

    Thing is, Melo doesn't have to hold onto the ball. Woodson doesn't have anything to give gameplan wise that will put Melo in a position to move without the ball. Woodson always been a poor coach because of this, he did the same thing with Josh Smith @ ATL.

    Infact if you look at Woodson's track record in coaching his teams offense, these are the rankings his teams finished in PPG:

    04-05 - 28th
    05-06 - 16th
    06-07 - 30th
    07-08 - 15th
    08-09 - 19th
    09-10 - 13th

    That's Woodson track record at ATL. from 04-10.

    Do you the pattern there? Woodson has never been a preacher about moving the ball.

    So why is it a surprise to you that Knicks have become a worst ball moving team under Woodson?

    Are going to believe Melo is a huge part of the slow down creation when he spent most of his career playing on some of the best NBA offenses each season? Why must you lie to yourself like this?
    Last edited by metrocard; Jan 19, 2014 at 14:08.

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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    Sorry no matter how hard you try, you can't undo this....your white flag was raised many posts ago.
    Ask a Toronto fan if they would trade DeMarr for last year JR. You already failed by even comparing the two. You're an assclown for even defending JR but acting like a hurt ex-girlfriend over Melo.

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    Metro in your opinion what team would be willing to do a sign and trade with us for Superstar Melo ?
    Any team that is a star away from winning an NBA championship. (Suns, Wizards, Pistons, Bulls, Hornets, Clippers, Grizzlies, T'Wolves, Pelicans, and 76ers.)

    All those teams have players that can compliment Melo and be very successful with him.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    u actually think a career 38 minute, 6 rebound Melo can outrebound ....
    a career 26 minute 9 rebound Tyson
    a career 28 minute 7 rebound K-Mart
    a career 32 minute 9 rebound Amare
    That was their career. It doesn't matter anymore.

    This is 2013-14 now. This is the present, come back to it. Accept reality. Accept the facts.

    Amare is a barely an 8 per 36 rebounder this 2013-14. He can't even play 30 minutes so he'll give us 4-5 rebounds a game. That's all his body is capable of doing. Amare isn't a full time player anymore so you need to move on and stop acting like he's capable of carrying this franchise on his back. He's a broken player with very little time left in his career.
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    Martin averages 7.7 rebounds per 36 minutes this season.and hasn't average 10 rebounds per 36 since 2004 when he was 26 and that was 9.9 per 36. Martin has never been a dominate rebounder.
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    Martin and Chandler are too injury prone to even stand on the court.
    Chandler rebounds well, but he can't stay healthy.

    That leaves Melo as the best rebounder this season.

    You have no choice but to accept that unless you're going to deny the facts once again.

    It's so cowardly to avoid giving Melo credit.

    Not only he's picked up the slack on the offensive end, but defensively he's covering for Bargnani and Amare for all the missed box outs and rebounds they give every game and your saltyass refuses to give Melo any respect for doing that on a failed season that Melo really has no reason to even give a damn about because no one else is coming to play except Prigioni, Shump, Tim Hardaway Jr and Murray. This whole team is ass but you continue to worship the team and downplay Melo. GTFO

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