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    According to Marc Burman's NY Post article, Carmelo is willing to take a paycut to stay with the Knicks if he likes their plan. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

    If this is true and Melo is actually willing to pass on the max contract and even take less money than he's making now, this shows his dedication to winning. It also obviously gives the Knicks a ton of flexibility to rebuild the roster.

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    This would have to happen for us to compete...lets hope all goes well for us

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    Originally Posted by donchris
    According to Marc Burman's NY Post article, Carmelo is willing to take a paycut to stay with the Knicks if he likes their plan. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

    If this is true and Melo is actually willing to pass on the max contract and even take less money than he's making now, this shows his dedication to winning. It also obviously gives the Knicks a ton of flexibility to rebuild the roster.

    Actually if he signed an extension now it would already equate to taking a pay cut compared to his next Max deal.....so he's already ruled that out, because he wants an out as an option.

    A huge part of convincing players(free agents) to come here is knowing he's going to be here long term without a shadow of a doubt. Not that I want him but principally speaking point is proven.

    Rule #1 with Car-Smelo

    Don't believe anything he says, he's already lied through the media on multiple occasions since his arrival about things he'd be willing to do.

    He's essentially challenging us to pull a David Copperfield with this roster and cap going forward or else he's bouncing.

    Funny he's blowing on lillies and pinwheels about what he's willing to do this summer but wasn't willing to do similar prior to the new CBA deal, which created the mess we're in now.
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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    Actually if he signed an extension now it would already equate to taking a pay cut compared to his next Max deal.....so he's already ruled that out, because he wants an out as an option.

    A huge part of convincing players(free agents) to come here is knowing he's going to be here long term without a shadow of a doubt. Not that I want him but principally speaking point is proven.

    Rule #1 with Car-Smelo

    Don't believe anything he says, he's already lied through the media on multiple occasions since his arrival about things he'd be willing to do.

    He's essentially challenging us to pull a David Copperfield with this roster and cap going forward or else he's bouncing.

    Funny he's blowing on lillies and pinwheels about what he's willing to do this summer but wasn't willing to do similar prior to the new CBA deal, which created the mess we're in now.
    I wouldn't presume that the guy is lying. But time will tell. If he is truly willing to take a pay cut I'd expect or hope he'd make less than 20 million per year. Maybe in the 16 or 17 mill range. Amare and Chandler come off the books after next season. As far as I'm concerned we can resign them both for vet exemptions or absolutely no more than 5 million a piece. This leaves plenty of room to bring in talent.

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    Carmelo Anthony goes to New Orleans All-Star weekend to find out there's NOT one elite team interest in signing him in the offseason. So what does Melo do? Melo announce ater practice in All-Star weekend that he will take a pay-cut next season on a contender team. Carmelo's pay-cut announcement .. is that suppose to clear Dolan's mind of trading an opt-out Carmelo Anthony from Monday to Thursday trading deadline? Will the Knicks Big-Brass start trading other Knicks players for new players who also find it hard to play with a Ball-Hogger-Melo? Remember .. if Melo stays then HC Woodson stay...

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    I know Melo's track record isn't perfect, and I think the people who don't like Melo's game makes good points, but he shouldn't be criticized for very single thing he does or didn't do yet.

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    Miami's big 3 gave up a total of 45M, 15M per over the life of their 6 year deals.

    I have a hard time believing he would do that on the promise that the Knicks will build a contender around him.

    Miami had all the pieces assembled making it an easy sell telling them we can bring back Haslem if you guys take less money.

    The Knicks will have to sell Melo a what if proposal when Melo signs his deal. Not sure if he gives back 5M over the 5 years whether that will have much impact and that is a lot of money to give up.
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    Originally Posted by tiger0330

    Miami had all the pieces assembled making it an easy sell telling them we can bring back Haslem if you guys take less money.
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    well we can tell him if he takes less, we can bring back the I'Talian, JR, and our 3headed guard...prick.gas, and the Pillsbury dough boy... let's see another team top that roster...

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    How does Melo taking a Pay-Cut help the Knicks become a winning team? or a NBA contender?
    It doesnt.


    What doesnt make sense are ....
    So many Knicks-Fans has been calling for HC Mike Woodson's head on a stick since the Indiana Pacers series.
    while the same fans praise Carmelo Anthony high-scoring as if he's a super-star.
    whie each game we watch HC Puppet-Woodson coach a 48 minute game to Carmelo Anthony every need/want.


    1) Melo taking a pay-cut is not going to increase our inside scoring, or increase our 6 point average in fastbreak baskets.
    2) Melo taking a pay-cut is not going to let other Knicks players have a game high in points, or stop Melo from ball-hoggin.
    3) Melo taking a pay-cut so we could spend more money clearing the entire roster to give Melo a new roster of players is not going to change the perception teammates have of Ball-Hoggin ISO-Melo.

    Truth to it all .. If we are going to have a losing season, I would rather have a losing season with a couple of 2014 draft picks we got from trading Melo before the deadline...

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    How does Melo taking a Pay-Cut help the Knicks become a winning team? or a NBA contender?
    It doesnt.


    What doesnt make sense are ....
    So many Knicks-Fans has been calling for HC Mike Woodson's head on a stick since the Indiana Pacers series.
    while the same fans praise Carmelo Anthony high-scoring as if he's a super-star.
    whie each game we watch HC Puppet-Woodson coach a 48 minute game to Carmelo Anthony every need/want.


    1) Melo taking a pay-cut is not going to increase our inside scoring, or increase our 6 point average in fastbreak baskets.
    2) Melo taking a pay-cut is not going to let other Knicks players have a game high in points, or stop Melo from ball-hoggin.
    3) Melo taking a pay-cut so we could spend more money clearing the entire roster to give Melo a new roster of players is not going to change the perception teammates have of Ball-Hoggin ISO-Melo.

    Truth to it all .. If we are going to have a losing season, I would rather have a losing season with a couple of 2014 draft picks we got from trading Melo before the deadline...
    Woodson is the biggest flaw in our team, by FAR. Even if Melo does get too trigger happy at times, I don't think he's selfish. Woodson ENCOURAGES this crap. That guy has Melo playing the most minutes in the league (or that was the case recently for a while).

    Has there ever been a guy Melo's size and body type to average this many minutes for this long? I don't know, and I'm not saying Melo couldn't improve his his fitness, but it's not like he doesn't look in shape, and I doubt he expected to average the most minutes in the league for that long.

    Woodson keeps him in even if he's not shooting well. Tyler had a double-double one game, then the next Woodson does an amateurish move by not playing Tyler nearly enough minutes because of what? He's scared of the big bad Thunder? He also has sat Prigioni at the end of games no matter how much the team needed him.

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    Woodson is the biggest flaw in our team, by FAR. Even if Melo does get too trigger happy at times, I don't think he's selfish. Woodson ENCOURAGES this crap. That guy has Melo playing the most minutes in the league (or that was the case recently for a while).

    Has there ever been a guy Melo's size and body type to average this many minutes for this long? I don't know, and I'm not saying Melo couldn't improve his his fitness, but it's not like he doesn't look in shape, and I doubt he expected to average the most minutes in the league for that long.

    Woodson keeps him in even if he's not shooting well. Tyler had a double-double one game, then the next Woodson does an amateurish move by not playing Tyler nearly enough minutes because of what? He's scared of the big bad Thunder? He also has sat Prigioni at the end of games no matter how much the team needed him.

    Yes, I agree that Woodson is an assistant-coach in charge of bench players.
    As a HC .. Woodson is a liability when it comes to having a plan, or getting the players to complete a simple design play.
    HC Woodson does not make his players happy with his coaching style.

    Melo is averaging the same amount of minutes he average every season about this time.
    Melo just didnt get the Memo, that he is on a team with a $91M cap of veteran & young players that are looking for decent playingtime without him being in every lineup with them ball-hoggin the ball.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    How does Melo taking a Pay-Cut help the Knicks become a winning team? or a NBA contender?
    It doesnt.


    What doesnt make sense are ....
    So many Knicks-Fans has been calling for HC Mike Woodson's head on a stick since the Indiana Pacers series.
    while the same fans praise Carmelo Anthony high-scoring as if he's a super-star.
    whie each game we watch HC Puppet-Woodson coach a 48 minute game to Carmelo Anthony every need/want.


    1) Melo taking a pay-cut is not going to increase our inside scoring, or increase our 6 point average in fastbreak baskets.
    2) Melo taking a pay-cut is not going to let other Knicks players have a game high in points, or stop Melo from ball-hoggin.
    3) Melo taking a pay-cut so we could spend more money clearing the entire roster to give Melo a new roster of players is not going to change the perception teammates have of Ball-Hoggin ISO-Melo.

    Truth to it all .. If we are going to have a losing season, I would rather have a losing season with a couple of 2014 draft picks we got from trading Melo before the deadline...
    Exactly Kiya!! It doesn't matter if Melo takes less money or not b/c the fact of the matter is the Knicks cannot win with him on this team.Think about it who in their right mind (player) would want to come play for the Knicks? NOBODY b/c they know what he brings to the table and playing team ball is not one of them. The Knicks will not win anything as long as he is on this team b/c of his ego.He doesn't care about team chemistry or team ball all he thinks about is padding his stats and nothing else.He thinks he can win it all by him self well I still don't see no rings on his fingers.As long as melo is here the knicks can forget about becoming NBA CHAMPS.

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    Originally Posted by WVKnickfan
    Exactly Kiya!! It doesn't matter if Melo takes less money or not b/c the fact of the matter is the Knicks cannot win with him on this team.Think about it who in their right mind (player) would want to come play for the Knicks? NOBODY b/c they know what he brings to the table and playing team ball is not one of them. The Knicks will not win anything as long as he is on this team b/c of his ego.He doesn't care about team chemistry or team ball all he thinks about is padding his stats and nothing else.He thinks he can win it all by him self well I still don't see no rings on his fingers.As long as melo is here the knicks can forget about becoming NBA CHAMPS.

    Have you watched any games this season??? The only game I saw were Melo played for himself was the 62 record game. Ever other game he had great assist and rebounded that help his team score.

    The only ways that make any championship sense is trading Melo or if Lebron come to NY. But Melo + full seat at MSG = $$$$$$$$ for the Knicks organization, championships or not. Why would the Knicks trade all those players for Melo??? Those players weren't seat filling draws.

    If you see the Knicks keep Melo past the trading deadline, you'll know for sure they don't care about championships. OR THE KNICKS FANS

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    Originally Posted by WVKnickfan
    Exactly Kiya!! It doesn't matter if Melo takes less money or not b/c the fact of the matter is the Knicks cannot win with him on this team.Think about it who in their right mind (player) would want to come play for the Knicks? NOBODY b/c they know what he brings to the table and playing team ball is not one of them. The Knicks will not win anything as long as he is on this team b/c of his ego.He doesn't care about team chemistry or team ball all he thinks about is padding his stats and nothing else.He thinks he can win it all by him self well I still don't see no rings on his fingers.As long as melo is here the knicks can forget about becoming NBA CHAMPS.

    Melo could also opt in this summer at $23mil on his last year and offer to take the pay cut in 2015, instead of having a $25.5mil cap hit already on the books that year by signing the $130mil deal this off-season.

    Melo thinks he's slick because not many individuals(casual to semi diehards) know about cap rules. Melo would be entitled to make 105% of his previous yr's salary or max(whichever is greater) if he waited to sign a new deal next summer and not this summer. That means he'd be entitled to make 105% of $23mil in 2015 or max(35% of cap). So if he was seriously worried about financial loss, there is none really as long as he stays relatively healthy.

    NBA CBA see link below
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    Excerpt From Q16
    A free agent's maximum salary in the first year of a new contract is never less than 105% of his salary in the last year of his previous contract. For example, a ten-year veteran free agent who most recently earned $20 million has a maximum salary of at least $21 million, even if that is above the league-wide maximum.
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    Carmelo is scheduled to make $23,333,405 opt in year next year, which would still be a pay raise(7.5%) I don't want to hear this crap about well "it's not your money".....because David Lee and Nate Robinson essentially did the same thing for us their qualifying year.

    The free agents this team is supposedly targeting are free in 2015(Rondo, Love, Gasol etc etc) not 2014...therefore who in the hell is he trying to recruit this summer, that gets us closer to a title?

    Nice try Melo, you can fool all the others who want to be mind fudged by you, not me....my brain works and my heart does not pitter pat for your eyes only.

    This guy is the clown of all clowns....EPIC proportions.
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    The sad part is our "Great White Hope" Bargiani is slated to make 11 million next year This dude hasn't played in almost a month and was terrible on the court while the second highest scorer in the league averaging 40 minutes a game is supposed to take a pay cut. And cats have the nerve to call Melo selfish. Double Standard

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