look at it this way: the knicks once again got unlucky. it was never supposed to be melo and a bunch of wannabes, it was supposed to be melo, stat and chandler. our "big three". it kind of makes me sad that melo gets all the blame for not being able to put the team on his shoulders, because it really is stat and chandler's fault. Melo has done what was expected of him, stat and chandler have not, and that's the reason we are where we are. NOT MELO.
who knows where theyd be if they signed bosh instead of stat, and stat went to miami. maybe its as simple as that, but its really no one's fault besides dolan for taking the risk of going with stat. but then again, stat was the only one who would come to NY. so once again, the knicks are just **** outta luck.
ill praise melo for what he's doing, as long as he follows through that is. Hey, maybe stat does retire, melo takes the cut and signs lebron on? who knows right now? it wouldn't be consistent with the knicks fortune, but its possible and one great way to immediately turn an organization around. If Im lebron, and striving to prove Im the best ever, id want the challenge in NY.
sorry for the ranting, those are my thoughts/hopes for this team. Im not going to stop rooting for them, because once they do win a championship, it really might be the sweetest thing for me in sports. there's just so much doubt and ridicule thrown their way that if and when it happens, it will be so cool. I know you all feel that in some way. its just a matter of this lifetime or next.
Right now are problem is we need a PG. Or we need Felton not to pay more then 20 minutes a game.
We need some Metta we need some Tyler we need some Murray.
In the long run we're going to need a new coach and an above average PG to be successful with Melo, someone who will be vocal with Melo (Billups)
Oh and skinny Chandler, way past his prime to old.
Woodsons lineups could be better clearly. Coaching change would improve this team drastically but this won't happen.
Stat is a beast on offense. Someone prove me wrong.
Yes, I agree that Woodson is an assistant-coach in charge of bench players.
As a HC .. Woodson is a liability when it comes to having a plan, or getting the players to complete a simple design play.
HC Woodson does not make his players happy with his coaching style.
Melo is averaging the same amount of minutes he average every season about this time.
Melo just didnt get the Memo, that he is on a team with a $91M cap of veteran & young players that are looking for decent playingtime without him being in every lineup with them ball-hoggin the ball.
Definitely need better players to win. All else is a circle jerk. We have a lot of crappy players. Can't expect to win with these guys, even if Lebron was at the helm. May be 5 more wins with LBJ, so where does that leave us, still under .500 team.
we made to many dum-moves.
The best part of the Melo-trade was "PG-Chauncey Billups leadership/direction/and FINALS experience"
When Billup's talks the coaching-staff and players listen.
Melo got rid of PG-Billups!!!
The Denver Nuggets could not trade Melo by himself, bc no team trusted Melo to resign.
So Denver through Billups $14M team-option into the Melo-trade to get a buyer.
When we Amnesty Chuancey Billups .. it set us back three years ..
that was the Dummest thing to do.
Our so-call BIG-3 started their first season together without a veteran PG to go 8-15 record .. familia
Who saved that 2011-12 season without any help from Stat & Melo, a D.League product LinSanity a PG.
Melo got rid of PG-Linsanity!!!
We amnesty the best part of the Melo-trade a experience player/coach PG (who tutor Ty Lawson for 2 seasons).
Our interim GM Glen Grunwald didnt have the power to agree to Billups $14M team-option,
and he damn sure didnt have the power to amnesty a Star PG Billups for what?
a career 27 minute per game defensive center Tyson Chandler ..
plus pay Tyson three times the amount of what he wouldve got from Cuban.
Dum move .. Dum move .. Dum move.
Do u really think interim GM Glen Grunwald had the power to go to the press, and say he's going to let a billion $$$ product (Linsanity) test the FA market? Dum move .. Dum move .. Dum move
Actually there is more to what you say here and that's correct. If you take what he's saying at face value that is.
He's not worried about the 5th year. Looking at his recruitment statement
(which btw he can only recruit players who are free agents and not every great player in the league) is him allowing other guys/teams to recruit him on championship pitches.
In the end he signs for 5yrs $130mil because we've been through this before with Melo, he's about his money first no matter what he says. Chicago may be the only threat.
GREATEST KNICK EVER!!!!
Have you watched any games this season??? The only game I saw were Melo played for himself was the 62 record game. Ever other game he had great assist and rebounded that help his team score.
The only ways that make any championship sense is trading Melo or if Lebron come to NY. But Melo + full seat at MSG = $$$$$$$$ for the Knicks organization, championships or not. Why would the Knicks trade all those players for Melo??? Those players weren't seat filling draws.
If you see the Knicks keep Melo past the trading deadline, you'll know for sure they don't care about championships. OR THE KNICKS FANS
Melo could also opt in this summer at $23mil on his last year and offer to take the pay cut in 2015, instead of having a $25.5mil cap hit already on the books that year by signing the $130mil deal this off-season.
Melo thinks he's slick because not many individuals(casual to semi diehards) know about cap rules. Melo would be entitled to make 105% of his previous yr's salary or max(whichever is greater) if he waited to sign a new deal next summer and not this summer. That means he'd be entitled to make 105% of $23mil in 2015 or max(35% of cap). So if he was seriously worried about financial loss, there is none really as long as he stays relatively healthy.
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Excerpt From Q16
Team Salary InfoA free agent's maximum salary in the first year of a new contract is never less than 105% of his salary in the last year of his previous contract. For example, a ten-year veteran free agent who most recently earned $20 million has a maximum salary of at least $21 million, even if that is above the league-wide maximum.
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Carmelo is scheduled to make $23,333,405 opt in year next year, which would still be a pay raise(7.5%) I don't want to hear this crap about well "it's not your money".....because David Lee and Nate Robinson essentially did the same thing for us their qualifying year.
The free agents this team is supposedly targeting are free in 2015(Rondo, Love, Gasol etc etc) not 2014...therefore who in the hell is he trying to recruit this summer, that gets us closer to a title?
Nice try Melo, you can fool all the others who want to be mind fudged by you, not me....my brain works and my heart does not pitter pat for your eyes only.
This guy is the clown of all clowns....EPIC proportions.
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For the record when I say opt in at $23mil and then look to take a pay cut, it's with the understanding he goes and recruit whoever is supposed to be that guy(s) to rebuild with going forward summer of 2015... while making considerably less than 105% or Max.
IMO this would be a better indication he's willing to make that sacrifice, as all our big contracts come off the books summer of 2015.
Melo knows if he leaves besides the 5th year being sacrificed($30mil), no team he goes to offers less than Max....Win-Win for him no matter how you slice it. He's not taking a significant enough pay cut to make a difference for us this summer if he stays and he's not taking a pay cut if he leaves to another team. He can also extend on his new deal after the 3rd season out to 4yrs. So if he left to another team he can discuss signing an extension when he's 33, the same with us. Difference is with us inserting an extension in the 3rd yr would wreak of what his intentions were on this new deal, as being a total money grab.
Something else we need to keep in mind, Melo can sign for 5yrs with us and insert a No-Trade Clause(Yuck Yuck Yuckity Puke Chunks Yuck). So unless he blesses us with an okay to trade him(wouldn't be surprised if it came with a trade kicker(%5-15)), we'd be absolutely stuck with him for the next 5yrs...5th year making $28.9mil
One of our biggest problems is not having Jason Kidd as our CLOSER .. in the final 5 to 3 minutes of every game this season, we have to put up with Melo decision-making at the end of every game. Its not nice to watch Melo shoot the ball on every offensive-possession the last 3 minutes of a game, plus the move Melo sets up happen to be the same moves he been doing all game, every game since Syracuse.
Plus we have to listen to commentators "Breen & Clyde" point out all the negative moves of 14 Knicks players ..
But Breen & Clyde never point out how Melo's 40 minutes per game of ball-hoggin effect his teammates performance. Or how Woodson spot-minute (4 to 5 min) playingtime for all the bench-player effect their performance. Or JRsmith decision-making as a closer receiving starter playingtime.
Or where's the chemistry on this Knicks team after 25 games???
I am not as negative about Melo as 3G4G, but we come to the same bottom line. I would prefer to let him go and start rebuilding despite the absence of first round picks in 2014 and 2016. We are just not going to contend for a title with Melo notwithstanding all his offensive talent. I do not expect a pay cut significant enough to make a real difference in the free agent market. Melo's contract, unless the home town discount is unbelievably large, will hamstring us for the next half decade. Unfortunately I anticipate he will get the hamstringing contract from Dolan. I see the same old mediocrity going forward and without the hopes attached to teams in rebuilding mode, such as Philadelphia and Boston.