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    Phil Jackson was in attendance for the New York Knicks' 127-96 loss to the Los Angeles Lakers on Tuesday.
    The Knicks allowed 51 points in the third quarter to a Lakers' team playing without Pau Gasol and Kobe Bryant.


    “Fifty-one points,” Jackson said. “When it’s 35 points you start to get worried. When it’s a 51-point quarter, that’s really awful.”



    Jackson said he's in assessment mode.



    “We’re in a talent hunt,” Jackson said. “We have to bring in talent.”
    One could say Phil means we need more talent but with a roster that has top rotation still on the books next year one can deduce he's not enamored with what we have.

    Then again so many of us were boiling over with fury ESPN had our talent pegged at 37-45 before season's begin. Usually TALENT cost money.

    I wonder how Phil thinks he's going to turn this roster of stale beer with cigarette ashes and dead flies floating at the top into wine.

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    + Pie on his rant

    I've been calling for a complete blowtorch for quite some time now

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    This is what Phil Jax see on the Knicks .......

    offensive-players that dont know a lick of defense, and defensive players looking for a defensive-leader to guide them

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    That Lakers game was as awful as it gets. Woke up at 3 o' clock in the morning to watch it... could have better stayed in my bed getting some sleep.

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    Originally Posted by Lercher
    That Lakers game was as awful as it gets. Woke up at 3 o' clock in the morning to watch it... could have better stayed in my bed getting some sleep.
    You are a real Knick fan. I was up but went to bed near the end of the 3rd qtr found out what I already knew in the morning D'Antoni kicked Woody's ass.

    Still not mathematically eliminated and with the ATL loss and Knick win they will tease you with the playoffs until they are eliminated.

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    Looks like Atlanta has the easier schedule to close out 2014....we need to go like 7-1 over the next games...we face the Heat, Brooklyn, Suns, Warriors, Wizards, Raptors and Bulls etc

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    Yeah, isn't it sad that most of us considered the 37-45 to be lowballing us, and now it seems unlikely that we'll even reach that?

    I still have no answers as to how this team could possibly be so bad when they were, at least in the regular season, pretty decent last year.

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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    Francessa's thoughts...




    + Pie on his rant

    I've been calling for a complete blowtorch for quite some time now
    Glad someone has got the balls to say it how it is ! The management needs to get the arse ! Bunch on incompitent imbiciles !

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    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    I still have no answers as to how this team could possibly be so bad when they were, at least in the regular season, pretty decent last year.
    Because Dolan was treating the team like a fantasy NBA franchise. Little by little important role players who could do specific things really well were replaced by supposedly more talented players who do not fit into the highly complicated puzzle which is a basketball team.
    Look at the Spurs and what they do with players that most likely would not thrive on any other roster. Why? Because their team is well crafted.

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    Originally Posted by pat
    Look at the Spurs and what they do with players that most likely would not thrive on any other roster. Why? Because their team is well crafted.
    the key word is 'team'... ain't no superstars on the spurs (their big 3 are past or passing their prime)... but everyone knows their role... sort of like the old knicks that won the 2 championships... they had no 'superstars' on the roster, but they won playing with the team concept...

    and i'm not demeaning clyde/pearl/willis/dave d... they were excellent players...and the proof are their rings... but at the time there were better players at each position then the above on other teams.... but they didn't win... the knicks did... ego's were put aside ...

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    ^agreed. the talent of "team" as in team basketball is being questioned. As Jackson said in his press conference and more notably in his interview with Clyde Frazier, the concept of offense is a simple one, with the triangle being just one option for team basketball to be implemented. team defense, on the other hand, is based on intensity (defensity) and the sheer will to guard your man, to not let guys be open on the perimeter when they're raining 3's, to put a body on a man when they're driving the middle, and not switch in a flash. The Knicks have been playing pu$$y-ball most of the year, and are being exposed for the lackadaisical loser attitude they have inherited from their coach. the talent hunt will be based on the ability to play team basketball, to play defense, to have a winning attitude, something I have faith in Phil to make happen. after the loss to the Suns last night, i cannot see the Knicks growing the balls needed to make the playoffs at this point. just a serious lack of team talent displayed. smh.

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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    Francessa's thoughts...




    + Pie on his rant

    I've been calling for a complete blowtorch for quite some time now

    The NBA most minute played player Captain Super Star Carmelo Anthony "ISO-Melo system" allowed a D.League Lakers team to score 87 pts in 2 quarters of the game, plus 51 points in a quarter that Melo played all 12 minutes in.

    I blame the Knicks 2013-14 poor (21-40) record season on Jeremy Lin, and Jason Kidd.

    Without those two PG players we wouldve learned the Knicks BIG-3 are nothing but a TANKING Lottery team by the 2012 offseason, or the 2013 offseason.

    If Linsanity never saved our 2011-12 season, we wouldve had a 21-45 record season from our BIG-3 isolation system.
    If Jason Kidd wouldve resign with Dallas in 2012-13 season, instead of coming to the Knicks to be our 4th quarter Closer PG, our 54 win season wouldve turn out to be Felton's 54 loss season in 2012-13.

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    The knicks of old were a very good team, without egos....and most importantly, a lot smarter basketball IQ....Barnett and Clyde would constantly find ways to outsmart the better guys (West, Bing, Pearl (when he was on the Bullets etc)...they also played to steal the ball instead of giving away a meaningless foul with like 8 seconds left to close out a qtr. Now we get to the even smarter players. Dave D and Bill Bradley. Smartest fwds in the league at the time. It was a different time in Knick history. The guys that play for us today just arent all in on the team

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    Originally Posted by CoolClyde
    ^agreed. the talent of "team" as in team basketball is being questioned. As Jackson said in his press conference and more notably in his interview with Clyde Frazier, the concept of offense is a simple one, with the triangle being just one option for team basketball to be implemented. team defense, on the other hand, is based on intensity (defensity) and the sheer will to guard your man, to not let guys be open on the perimeter when they're raining 3's, to put a body on a man when they're driving the middle, and not switch in a flash. The Knicks have been playing pu$$y-ball most of the year, and are being exposed for the lackadaisical loser attitude they have inherited from their coach. the talent hunt will be based on the ability to play team basketball, to play defense, to have a winning attitude, something I have faith in Phil to make happen. after the loss to the Suns last night, i cannot see the Knicks growing the balls needed to make the playoffs at this point. just a serious lack of team talent displayed. smh.

    Individual Talent (Knicks 32-43) -vs- Team Talent (Spurs 58-16)

    Where to start .... We do have offensive players, and we do have defensive players.
    What we dont have are Team-Offense, or Team-Defense.
    Woodsuck!
    We dont have a offensive system, plan, or play other than let Melo shoot us in or out the game.
    Woodsuck!
    We dont have a defensive system, plan, or play to setup oponents weak areas, nor do we have a defense all the players relate to.
    Woodsuck!


    The Spurs offense is guided by 4 or all 5 players in the lineup.
    Headcoach (Pop) have a steady movement lineup on offense, each of the Spurs 5 players know their direction in Pop's steady moving offense. The Spurs offense set great screens and picks for easy baskets.
    The Spurs oponents gets no rest on the defensive-end, plus they have to guess each time on defense what Spurs player are going to score.
    The Spurs man to man and paint defense, along with their defensive comunication have to be the NBA top #1 team-defense for the past decade.

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    ^there's no denying them facts, Kiyadude. when you pit the Knicks as a team against the Spurs as a team, there really is no comparison.

    Pops>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Woodhead

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