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    I watch the injury-prone Brooklyn Nets vs the Houston Rockets lastnite ....

    HC Kidd gave 9 Nets players 20 or more minutes each in the rotation to beat the Houston Rockets.
    Im mentioning a Nets team that started the season playing individual basketball that resulted in a 10-21 record.
    The Nets are now playing team-ball on both sides of the court to result in a 40-33 record, while using a 10 to 11 man rotation.
    The Nets HC Kidd has done a super job at getting all his players decent playingtime in the past 42 games, which result in a 30-12 run from January to April.

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    @Clyde.
    Sure enough, but you cannot put all the blame on Woodson. It also is a horrendously badly crafted team and that is because Dolan doesn't understand how to put together players whose styles are compatible, yet he keeps interfering as if this were a fantasy NBA team. I just hope he really plans on handing the keys to the franchise to Phil.
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    Originally Posted by pat
    @Clyde.
    Sure enough, but you cannot put all the blame on Woodson. It also is a horrendously badly crafted team and that is because Dolan doesn't understand how to put together players whose styles are compatible, yet he keeps interfering as if this were a fantasy NBA team. I just hope he really plans on handing the keys to the franchise to Phil.
    This season is Glen Grunwald & Woodson's mess .... if those two idiots couldnt figure out what this team needed after the Indiana series, and 54 win season then they deserve a one way ticket out of NY.

    During the Indiana series, was it the Knicks players or the coaching that loss the series?
    Did u see how sloppy the coaching was on the summer league team, it was the same sloppy coaching we had in the preseason games, and the regular season games.

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    Originally Posted by pat
    @Clyde.
    Sure enough, but you cannot put all the blame on Woodson. It also is a horrendously badly crafted team and that is because Dolan doesn't understand how to put together players whose styles are compatible, yet he keeps interfering as if this were a fantasy NBA team. I just hope he really plans on handing the keys to the franchise to Phil.
    i don't think this team is crafted all that badly, as evidence by winning streaks when JR and Shumpert actually contribute. It's the little things, like not calling a timeout that leads to a loss, or putting in your entire 2nd squad that almosts costs the team the victory, or playing the same damn players all the time when they cannot play defense to save their fat ass... and not playing guys like Beno, MWP, Tour'e, Ostridge, Tyler, when they could have contributed, instead instilling lost confidence in their abilities. like not having set plays, instead leaving the game in the hands of iso-Melo, when his statistics for 4Q shooting and game-winning shots are league worst. i used to be a major supporter of coach Wood, but I lost confidence in his abilities to coach seeing how he handled players, substitutions and game-ending situations, and those are all on the coach. Felton, JR, Shumpert, 3 players who could do no wrong under coach's tutelage, whose poor play have cost the Knicks most of their losses, get more run than most players of similar output in the entire league, who should be role players coming off the bench. these are the things i blame on the coach. Accountability, which was Wood Son's calling card when he came into the HC role, has disappeared this season. his fault.

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    Originally Posted by petescud
    The knicks of old were a very good team, without egos....and most importantly, a lot smarter basketball IQ....Barnett and Clyde would constantly find ways to outsmart the better guys (West, Bing, Pearl (when he was on the Bullets etc)...they also played to steal the ball instead of giving away a meaningless foul with like 8 seconds left to close out a qtr. Now we get to the even smarter players. Dave D and Bill Bradley. Smartest fwds in the league at the time. It was a different time in Knick history. The guys that play for us today just arent all in on the team
    i was born in 78, wish i could have seen it, i envy you

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    Originally Posted by CoolClyde
    i don't think this team is crafted all that badly, as evidence by winning streaks when JR and Shumpert actually contribute. It's the little things, like not calling a timeout that leads to a loss, or putting in your entire 2nd squad that almosts costs the team the victory, or playing the same damn players all the time when they cannot play defense to save their fat ass... and not playing guys like Beno, MWP, Tour'e, Ostridge, Tyler, when they could have contributed, instead instilling lost confidence in their abilities. like not having set plays, instead leaving the game in the hands of iso-Melo, when his statistics for 4Q shooting and game-winning shots are league worst. i used to be a major supporter of coach Wood, but I lost confidence in his abilities to coach seeing how he handled players, substitutions and game-ending situations, and those are all on the coach. Felton, JR, Shumpert, 3 players who could do no wrong under coach's tutelage, whose poor play have cost the Knicks most of their losses, get more run than most players of similar output in the entire league, who should be role players coming off the bench. these are the things i blame on the coach. Accountability, which was Wood Son's calling card when he came into the HC role, has disappeared this season. his fault.
    i totally agree with you, that fat potatoe head has no business as an NBA coach. he consistently leaves his favorites in no matter how poorly they are playing. I have seen games where hell put the "scrubs" in last 5 min of a blowout where felton had 15 TOs and shump was clanging bricks all day, and theyll go on a 10-2 run. I end up screaming at the television "told you so, you ****ing slob!"

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    Originally Posted by CoolClyde
    i don't think this team is crafted all that badly, as evidence by winning streaks when JR and Shumpert actually contribute. It's the little things, like not calling a timeout that leads to a loss, or putting in your entire 2nd squad that almosts costs the team the victory, or playing the same damn players all the time when they cannot play defense to save their fat ass... and not playing guys like Beno, MWP, Tour'e, Ostridge, Tyler, when they could have contributed, instead instilling lost confidence in their abilities. like not having set plays, instead leaving the game in the hands of iso-Melo, when his statistics for 4Q shooting and game-winning shots are league worst. i used to be a major supporter of coach Wood, but I lost confidence in his abilities to coach seeing how he handled players, substitutions and game-ending situations, and those are all on the coach. Felton, JR, Shumpert, 3 players who could do no wrong under coach's tutelage, whose poor play have cost the Knicks most of their losses, get more run than most players of similar output in the entire league, who should be role players coming off the bench. these are the things i blame on the coach. Accountability, which was Wood Son's calling card when he came into the HC role, has disappeared this season. his fault.

    The Knicks started the 2013-14 season with a .550 team in 12 players:
    PG- Felton, Prigioni, Beno
    SG- Shump, JR, THJ
    SF- Melo, MWP,
    PF- Amare, K-Mart, Barg
    C- Tyson

    We used a 3-guard lineup throughout the season.
    A 3 guard line-up are strictly use for running-teams to score as many points from fast-break baskets, where oponent dont have time to setup their defense.
    We didnt show any signs of being a running team all season when we walk the ball upcourt on practically every offensive possession, plus we average 6 points per game from fastbreak baskets.

    We had 4 reliable PF on the roster not name Melo.
    How come the majority of Melo's most minute played player this season were at our PF spot?
    Didnt we learn anything from the Indiana Pacers series when Hibbert/West/George scored at will on Melo?

    Was it a coincidence last season when Tyson got hurt, and K-Mart replaced Tyson at center to take us on a 16-2 run?
    And when Tyson is healthy to play in the postseason games, K-Mart automatically is sideline with a injury.
    While Carmelo played the PF spot, lucky we had 6.10 Novak & 6.9 Copeland playing SF.

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    I was so happy to get rid of Dantoni, that I paid less attention to Woodson coaching until the Miami series.
    The 2012 offseason addition of "Old-Heads .. J.Kidd, K.Thomas, Rasheed, and Camby", automatically pushed my optimism high for the Knicks 2012-13 season of winning the Atlantic Division Title, plus advancing to the 2nd round of the playoff. And the midseason add-on of Kenyon Martin was all the insurance needed for a elite winning season.
    My high optimism had nothing to do with the Knicks BIG-3 or Woodson coaching.

    All the "Old-Heads" were gone to start the 2013-14 season, which meant the Knicks players were depending solely on the coaching-staff leadership, and strategic plans.
    The Knicks coaching-staff flopped in the summer games, flopped in the preseason games, and embarrassed the Knicks organization in the regular season games.

    The Knicks coaching-staff let Carmelo Anthony call all the shots on the court for 42 minutes of every game in 2013-14. Carmelo Anthony have to many FLAWS in his performance to call shots for 60 seconds in a game.
    That's the reason why the Denver Nuggets paid all that money $$$ to team-leadership-stars Kenyon Martin, Allen Iverson, and Billups to call the shots for the Denver Nuggets scoring star Carmelo Anthony.

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    Our thrashing of the Kidd's Nets proves this team has talent. I heard an interesting stat during the game:this years Knicks team has ten 20 point wins and ten 20 point losses and that's only happened 3 times in NBA history. JR says he is healthy for the first time this season so we will go as far as Melo/JR/STAT can carry us and our supporting cast of Tyson/Timmy Jr/Shump/Feltip can pitch in to help

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    Another interesting stat I heard during our thrashing of the Nets: Melo averaging 28 points and 8 boards a game while leading the NBA in minutes. Last player to average 28/8 was SHAQ 13 years ago. Let that marinade for a moment Melo haters....

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    That means you Kiya since your pic 3GdumE aka one shot aka "board Titan" lol has fallen off the map again. Can you at least stifle your Melo hate for Sundays' old school matinee matchup against the Heat????#playoff run

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    That means you Kiya since your pic 3GdumE aka one shot aka "board Titan" lol has fallen off the map again. Can you at least stifle your Melo hate for Sundays' old school matinee matchup against the Heat????#playoff run
    No comment on a Knicks game @ 1 o'clock on sunday, the results are already in on afternoon games.

    When the $91M cap Knicks record became 21-40 .. 85% of Knicks Fans fell off the map.
    The 40 losses meant the Knicks had to go on a 20-1 run for the remainder of the season to finish as a .500 team.

    Here's another interesting stat .......
    Shaq has a career of being a 32 minute player, who didn't need his teammates to box-out to grab a rebound, 89% of Shaq's career scoring came from inside-scoring (58% fg), the 11% came from Hack-A-Shaq.
    Shaq never had to take 25 fga to score 30 points like ur boy Melo.

    There's no justification for a 45 minute player ballhoggin the ball in every lineup the coach put on the court in every game this season, plus Melo's high influence in the organization has force Puppet-Woodson to medical DNP certain players who debate the ISO-Melo system, this way Melo could run a dead-beat isolation system for 45 minutes where all Knicks opponents know what Knicks player is shooting the ball.
    Melo's ballhoggin shooting shot us 40 LOSSES in 61 games......

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    No comment on a Knicks game @ 1 o'clock on sunday, the results are already in on afternoon games.

    When the $91M cap Knicks record became 21-40 .. 85% of Knicks Fans fell off the map.
    The 40 losses meant the Knicks had to go on a 20-1 run for the remainder of the season to finish as a .500 team.

    Here's another interesting stat .......
    Shaq has a career of being a 32 minute player, who didn't need his teammates to box-out to grab a rebound, 89% of Shaq's career scoring came from inside-scoring (58% fg), the 11% came from Hack-A-Shaq.
    Shaq never had to take 25 fga to score 30 points like ur boy Melo.

    There's no justification for a 45 minute player ballhoggin the ball in every lineup the coach put on the court in every game this season, plus Melo's high influence in the organization has force Puppet-Woodson to medical DNP certain players who debate the ISO-Melo system, this way Melo could run a dead-beat isolation system for 45 minutes where all Knicks opponents know what Knicks player is shooting the ball.
    Melo's ballhoggin shooting shot us 40 LOSSES in 61 games......
    Well since you already know we are gonna lose Sunday, how about Saturday's Megaball numbers???

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    Well since you already know we are gonna lose Sunday, how about Saturday's Megaball numbers???

    If you listen to Phil Jackson he said Melo needs to be a leader off the court, in the locker room........seems like Phil is Kiya.............One does question even when we are down by 30 why Melo sees 40 minutes......

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    I don't remember that from the presser; I do remember Phil saying he believes Melo has another level...If Phil was Kiya he would have already traded Melo for a box of ROCKS

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