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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    I'm sure he can manage his kids college educations even on his ESPN salary, I meant him and his wife might have an empty nest and staying home for his kids won't be a factor in him not taking an NBA coaches job.

    He's also never won an NBA championship, I wonder how much he wants that.
    And Phil Jackson is in full control now, might be way more enticing for him if he wants to win a championship. He might feel like he can just stick to coaching, how he wants to coach.

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    Woody didn't exactly get a fair shake in NY, but business is result oriented and he didn't get the required results. Had the Knicks made the playoffs we would very likely be on the verge of beating the Pacers. (Never believed in the Pacers, George is a Scottie Pippen at best.)

    Hopefully Knicks fans wont turn on the next coach two seasons from now. It is an embarrassment how often we change coaches.

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    ^c'mon man, what is a fair shake? losing games via boneheaded moves, like not calling timeouts, not fouling when leading by 3 points, playing sh*tty point guard Failton all season long and NOT playing Beno (at all) who led the Knicks to 6 straight wins? letting JR Sh*t play and play and play until he finally got his shot together when season was ending? Not giving quality minutes to Tyler and Torre and Aldridge until season was over? overplaying Melo and letting him lose almost every single game in the iso when it came to last second shots? losing 30 something games when leading in the 4th quarter?

    you've gotta hand the overall blame to Dolan, who's been responsible for all changes in the front office, whether they've been fired or just quit because of little Jimmy's ironclad rule. Woodson played the blame game on injuries all season long, when he was responsible for the team on the floor, the minutes they played, and the way they performed, not to mention the sh*t morale of the team on a whole.

    If Dolan lets Phil Jackson actually do his job without interference, we can only hope that the total cleaning out of the coaching staff is a first step in the right direction. f*ck Woodson.

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    One thing I hope is that PJ does not bring Herb Williams back. He's a nice enough guy but he represents the Knicks past, if PJ wants a new Knicks image don't bring back guys like Herb.

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    Just reading the Newsday article about possible replacements.

    Kerr
    Fisher
    Rambis
    Clemons
    Shaw
    Van Gundy

    You have got to be crazy not to think Van Gundy isn't the best of that bunch.


    Steve Kerr is the best of that bunch by a long mile ..
    Steve Kerr learned the hard way as a GM with Rookie of the year Amare Stoudemire. And letting a puppet assistant coach Mike Dantoni get to much fame from Steve Kerr getting rid of the Phoenix Suns individual players Marbury & Penny slow balling poor defensive talent in 2003-4 season, to let their highest paid player Shawn Marion leadership run and control the Phoenix Suns roster (The Matrix got the SSOL system from Jason Kidd, and used that system with Steve Nash & Amare to have a few successful seasons.).
    Mike Dantoni refusal to bring in assistant coach Thibideu in the 2007 offseason, had the owner of the Phoenix Suns trade Shawn Marion for Franchise Player Shaq on the February 2008 trade deadline, which put Kerr's GM job in jeopardy.

    What we get in Steve Kerr is a GM/Coach who played the Triangle-system and won, plus defended against the Triangle-system and won.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Steve Kerr is the best of that bunch by a long mile ..
    Steve Kerr learned the hard way as a GM with Rookie of the year Amare Stoudemire. And letting a puppet assistant coach Mike Dantoni get to much fame from Steve Kerr getting rid of the Phoenix Suns individual players Marbury & Penny slow balling poor defensive talent in 2003-4 season, to let their highest paid player Shawn Marion leadership run and control the Phoenix Suns roster (The Matrix got the SSOL system from Jason Kidd, and used that system with Steve Nash & Amare to have a few successful seasons.).
    Mike Dantoni refusal to bring in assistant coach Thibideu in the 2007 offseason, had the owner of the Phoenix Suns trade Shawn Marion for Franchise Player Shaq on the February 2008 trade deadline, which put Kerr's GM job in jeopardy.

    What we get in Steve Kerr is a GM/Coach who played the Triangle-system and won, plus defended against the Triangle-system and won.

    Disagree and it seems like you're running things together here not distinguishing when Steve took over. I mean let's keep it real. Steve Kerr was brought into the Suns organization to essentially do what Phil intends to do for us. Yet Kerr failed and bailed as soon as he saw Phx couldn't win a chip with Nash and didn't want to be a part of rebuilding the Suns.

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    Originally Posted by donchris
    Woody didn't exactly get a fair shake in NY, .
    as others have mentioned his coaching left something to be desired... as to not getting a fair shake, he is getting paid for next season, not sure how much $$$, but its gotta be near to $1m... not a fair shake... I don't think so...

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    Originally Posted by paris401
    as others have mentioned his coaching left something to be desired... as to not getting a fair shake, he is getting paid for next season, not sure how much $$$, but its gotta be near to $1m... not a fair shake... I don't think so...
    That payment comes with a No talking to Media Policy....They call that "Hush Money"

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Steve Kerr is the best of that bunch by a long mile ..
    Steve Kerr learned the hard way as a GM with Rookie of the year Amare Stoudemire. And letting a puppet assistant coach Mike Dantoni get to much fame from Steve Kerr getting rid of the Phoenix Suns individual players Marbury & Penny slow balling poor defensive talent in 2003-4 season, to let their highest paid player Shawn Marion leadership run and control the Phoenix Suns roster (The Matrix got the SSOL system from Jason Kidd, and used that system with Steve Nash & Amare to have a few successful seasons.).
    Mike Dantoni refusal to bring in assistant coach Thibideu in the 2007 offseason, had the owner of the Phoenix Suns trade Shawn Marion for Franchise Player Shaq on the February 2008 trade deadline, which put Kerr's GM job in jeopardy.

    What we get in Steve Kerr is a GM/Coach who played the Triangle-system and won, plus defended against the Triangle-system and won.
    Amare was drafted in by the Suns in 2002. Kerr became GM and President of the Suns in 2007 so what are you talking about. His stint as GM was less than successful getting to the first round once during his tenure as a GM. He said he didn't enjoy being a GM after 3 years and went back to broadcasting. what makes you think he doesn't pull that I didn't enjoy NY or coaching crap if he becomes the Knicks coach. I see media reports already that he's a west coast guy and he's wary about the Knicks management (Dolan). Give me JVG any day over a soft Steve Kerr.

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    Amare was drafted in by the Suns in 2002. Kerr became GM and President of the Suns in 2007 so what are you talking about. His stint as GM was less than successful getting to the first round once during his tenure as a GM. He said he didn't enjoy being a GM after 3 years and went back to broadcasting. what makes you think he doesn't pull that I didn't enjoy NY or coaching crap if he becomes the Knicks coach. I see media reports already that he's a west coast guy and he's wary about the Knicks management (Dolan). Give me JVG any day over a soft Steve Kerr.

    Yeah you and I pretty much agree here.

    I found it odd too with the personalities he had there when he took over he hired Terry Porter to coach them. Not that Porter is a bad coach but how could he not gauge what style of play would suit them best especially when he had an idea to bring in Shaq. He made some suspect moves during his time there and I feel being GM is close to being a coach. I mean that person is supposed to help put goods in the cupboards for the coach to cook up, therefore he should know what a coach wants and how he plans to execute it.

    Kerr is alright but doesn't excite me, very much like the Odom signing doesn't.

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    He came in with the idea that what the Suns needed to get to the next level was to get rid of that SSOL D'Antoni style of play and play defense which is why he brought in Terry Porter.

    Kerr is the type of guy that thinks he's entitled wanting to take top level jobs like President and GM or head coach of the Knicks without any experience.

    I'm surprised Jackson would consider hiring him despite the fact they're friends because PJ put in 5 hard years learning coaching in the CBA with the Albany Patroons. I would think that experience knocking around the minor leagues of bball would give a guy like PJ a distrust of people like Kerr that want to start out at the top.

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    He came in with the idea that what the Suns needed to get to the next level was to get rid of that SSOL D'Antoni style of play and play defense which is why he brought in Terry Porter.

    Kerr is the type of guy that thinks he's entitled wanting to take top level jobs like President and GM or head coach of the Knicks without any experience.

    I'm surprised Jackson would consider hiring him despite the fact they're friends because PJ put in 5 hard years learning coaching in the CBA with the Albany Patroons. I would think that experience knocking around the minor leagues of bball would give a guy like PJ a distrust of people like Kerr that want to start out at the top.
    Very true and I didn't disagree with his philosophy(feeling that's what it would take to win a championship) on the matter but he should have done a better job executing, reshaping the team... to accomplish that. He failed doing so and bailed, in particular when the going got tough looking towards the transition yrs. He knew Sarver was going to cut back starting rebuild. His excuse, he needed to spend more time with his family yet went right back into broadcasting...

    Kerr has some red flags


    EDIT: Misheard.....Kerr wasn't ready to coach at that time(Seattle Group purchase of Kings) but apparently he must have left the door open because Phil is interested in peaking his interest again.
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    Originally Posted by paris401
    as others have mentioned his coaching left something to be desired... as to not getting a fair shake, he is getting paid for next season, not sure how much $$$, but its gotta be near to $1m... not a fair shake... I don't think so...
    I'm not going to defend Woodson. To say he made some questionable decisions under pressure is an understatement. Just think back to this even two years from now when you're calling for Kerr to be fired.

    Knicks fans have a long tradition of disloyalty going back to Patrick Ewing. He's John the Baptist now but there was a time when fans called for him to be traded. Woodson was a decent coach for a **** team. Unless Phil's old ass goes down to the bench or brings in a better proven coach, don't expect much better results for next season.

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    If he's managed his money well, I don't think his daughter's college payments are his worry. Maybe money will change his mind, but would be odd if the college bills will change it.
    Saw this in the NY Post.

    Van Gundy is said to want to coach again now that his daughter is heading to college.

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    Saw this in the NY Post.

    Van Gundy is said to want to coach again now that his daughter is heading to college.
    Interesting. That's a big option if he wants to join the Knicks.

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