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    Originally Posted by p0nder
    I am personally really hyped about the combination of Derek Fisher as HC and Phil Jax as our team president. This combination makes a lot of sense from all angles.

    Phil Jackson is a rookie exec. trying to make all the right moves, network, connect and lead this team from the top down position. He is a sound basketball mind that can offer help to the coaching staff and the players that no other exec could possibly come close to.

    On the flip side we have Derek Fisher as our HC. He's a rookie HC but a league veteran. He was also the NBAPA's player representative and represented the players in bargaining tables for the latest CBA which many players respect him for, even above what other lawyer/business/ombudsman's were able to accomplish in the same/similar role. Derek Fisher will be working with his longtime friend and colleague Pjax and bringing back a championship culture to the team. This is what we need more then anuything: Winning Culture. And starting from the top own is the way to go.

    The Combonation of Derek and PJax is the most exciting part of this. Pjax can offer Fish his expertise and a coach, X's and O's as well as dealing with player's ego's. On the flip side Fish will give the Zen master a lot of help in networking, working through various player agents and assist with negotiations as jax and fish can approach the tables together in a power coupling.

    There is a lot to be excited about. I didn't want to post until things were in stone, but now they are. This will lead us onward and upwards from here. Any reservations I had about PJax as an executive are now allayed and any short comings Fish might have with coaching can be uplifted with pjax's tutoring. It is the best scenario for both men and the organization. Great hiring's all around.

    There's only one thing that can F#&K it up....

    James Dolan.

    I actually like Dolan as a person; hH is passionate about his team, Loyal to the people that he trusts and spends wicked amounts of money in order to try and bring the Knicks into the championship level. However we have seen several mistakes on basketball decisions made by Dolan, overriding his GM's, Presidents and coaches wishes to make moves he thought were savvy. If he takes a step back and allows Fish and PJax to go to work, he will be happy with the end results. If he keeps too many fingers in the pie, then there will be massive fallout for everyone. Time will tell where this all takes us.

    Carmelo, STAT, TChandler, Felton, Sump and the rest of the roster are in for a shake up. It had already been an exciting off season. Lets hope the knicks can make smore more of these savvy hires in the near future.
    Excellent post.

    To add on to that, I have a feeling this isn't Phil hiring one of his friends with a lot of championship knowledge and experience just because he's one of his friends. Phil has a plan, whether you agree with the triangle offense or bust thing or not, and he did it in a good time period (the NBA season is still going on).

    I like the D-Fish also is in game shape, just coming off a Western Conference Finals series. The man still looks like a beast. Would be interesting if he became a player-coach. Either way, he could be playing with the team a lot in practice. What separates him from most (or all, I have to see the list of coaches) is that he could still play in the NBA at a good level.

    I'm glad Phil took his time. He got what he wanted, and it's not like he got the 3rd, 4th, or 5th, etc. pick he had as head coach, which could be understandably worrisome. In fact, maybe Fisher was his number one choice. Maybe he offered Kerr first because Fisher's future was in question whether he'd be playing or coaching next season (or zen came into play to have one less California spot for Fisher to go to).

    Welcome to the team, Fish!

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    Now that we have a head coach is PJ going to hire a GM? Absolutely no word that he will so maybe PJ thinks that he Mills, Houston and Warkentien can do the job. The draft is the 26th and I would have thought that if PJ was going to bring in a GM it would be critical to do it before the draft.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Hell Yeah! Derek Fisher is the MAN! the Knicks need as head-coach.
    The best head-coach in the market to invest for a winning future.
    That's worth $5M per.

    It was all the small things Derek Fisher done in his 17 yr career equal head-coach.

    Recall .. Derek Fisher was drafted by a winning Lakers organization, where Fisher won 3 rings.
    And were surrounded by an organization full of HOF his first 8 seasons in the NBA.

    Recall .. when the 8th seeded Golden State Warriors team beat the 1st seeded Dallas Mavs team in the postseason games. Derek Fishers 2 season at GS instilling a discipline-lockerroom of players, plus tutoring Baron Davis to play team-ball for coach Don Nelson strategy to beat a 1st seed team.

    Recall .. Deron Williams had a BUST rookie season. Then Utah signed FA Derek Fisher to be in training-camp to tutor Deron Williams 2nd season in the NBA. Deron Williams had a All-Star season with Fisher as his teammate.

    Recall .. The Lakers getting knock-out in the first round playoff, then going full steam after Derek Fisher in a trade from Utah that offseason. The Derek Fisher-Lakers went on to the FINALS 3 consecutive seasons.

    Recall .. The OKC PG Westbrook were out for practically half of the season, and PG-Reggie Jackson had the best season of his career running the point under Fisher tutorship.

    Phil Jackson working on the TOP executive of the year award by hiring Derek Fisher as head-coach.

    100% agree.......Phil needs to have all his people in doing what he wants........No reason for not everyone to be on the same page....No need to argue about the triangle offense.....No need not to have an open door between president and coach.......This is as good as it gets that its PHIL Jackson or Bust......To me there is a shot for us here to turn this organization around.......

    Melo wont be able to deal with having no power........Melo will be gone.....

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    Originally Posted by Lercher
    I'm not too pumped about this. Dunno, don't have that much trust in Fisher.
    Neither do I. From all the teams he's been on what players did he greatly impact as he played alongside them? I can't think of any. I'm particularly leery of his ability with this current roster. Now if we start gutting it quickly then yes long-term I can build confidence in him molding something from the beginning devoid of the contamination

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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    Neither do I. From all the teams he's been on what players did he greatly impact as he played alongside them? I can't think of any. I'm particularly leery of his ability with this current roster. Now if we start gutting it quickly then yes long-term I can build confidence in him molding something from the beginning devoid of the contamination

    At of all the things you ever said this is on the one I do not understand " Now if we start gutting it quickly then yes long-term " .....Do you think the plan is to keep anyone on the current roster other then Hardaway, Melo and maybe Shump.

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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    From all the teams he's been on what players did he greatly impact as he played alongside them?
    What about Phil Jackson before he became a coach?

    Walt Frazier on did Phil ever come off as being a future coach: "No."

    I understand some of your opinions, and I'm not saying you're wrong, but this organization seems to be on the road to a much brighter culture. None of us know, but I see no reason to be so down on this. Remember, Phil might be teaching Fisher a LOT, and the only reason he might not be doing it himself is because he's not physically up to it.

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    I think this is a wait and see hire. No experience is a little scary, but I am glad to see the brotha get an opportunity Kiya laid out a lot of favorable evidence and I like the "player-coach idea" with our league worst PG play Fish could compete with our "starter" lol I also like the dicipline idea as poor Woody was too much of a players coach and the inmates(JR,Felton,Tyson) cost Woody his job. I think this team will at least compete on a nightly basis because Fish will demand it instead of losing to so many sub .500 teams that you become one. Gotta start by handling business against the bums because you are what your record says you are during an 82 game marathon. I'm not dancing down the aisle, but let's give it a chance as we have had much worse(Damnphony, Isiah). One thing for sure this hire will definitely define Phil's front office career.

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    I think this is a wait and see hire. No experience is a little scary, but I am glad to see the brotha get an opportunity Kiya laid out a lot of favorable evidence and I like the "player-coach idea" with our league worst PG play Fish could compete with our "starter" lol I also like the dicipline idea as poor Woody was too much of a players coach and the inmates(JR,Felton,Tyson) cost Woody his job. I think this team will at least compete on a nightly basis because Fish will demand it instead of losing to so many sub .500 teams that you become one. Gotta start by handling business against the bums because you are what your record says you are during an 82 game marathon. I'm not dancing down the aisle, but let's give it a chance as we have had much worse(Damnphony, Isiah). One thing for sure this hire will definitely define Phil's front office career.
    WAIT AND SEE not just with DFish but with PJ too. Dolan spent a lot of money with those 2, Phil has to be the highest paid exec ever in the history of the NBA and we're paying a rookie head coach more than we paid Woody. It's a major gamble and so far PJ has only shown me that he can spend Dolan's money. The last guy I remember doing that was Isiah Thomas who also didn't mind spending Dolans money on dubious contracts and players.

    DFish talked a good game at his presser now he has to deliver. What I'm looking for next season is to see if he can overachieve with this roster, they showed they have the ability to win at the end of the season so let him build on that.

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    Well,there's one thing I gotta give Fisher credit for, he's a great talker. His speech during the presser? Pretty impressive and motivational.

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    WAIT AND SEE not just with DFish but with PJ too. Dolan spent a lot of money with those 2, Phil has to be the highest paid exec ever in the history of the NBA and we're paying a rookie head coach more than we paid Woody. It's a major gamble and so far PJ has only shown me that he can spend Dolan's money. The last guy I remember doing that was Isiah Thomas who also didn't mind spending Dolans money on dubious contracts and players.

    DFish talked a good game at his presser now he has to deliver. What I'm looking for next season is to see if he can overachieve with this roster, they showed they have the ability to win at the end of the season so let him build on that.
    I could care less about his talking game, I'm sure Kerr's, SVG,'s did and any other coach hired this off-season will have Bryan Adams type speeches


    The problem with winning at the end of the season it was primarily against a cupcake schedule but Sixers/Bucks/Cavs/Orlando/Boston are going to be vastly improved teams. The Field Fish is coaching against is on an upward trend while we are not

    Let's look at the picks from these teams alone just in this draft

    Cavs Pick
    #1 #33


    Orlando Picks
    #4 #12

    Bucks Picks
    #2 #31 #36 #48


    Sixers Picks
    #3 #10 #32 #39 #47 #52 #54....probably should throw in additionally Nerlens Noel as he didn't play 1 lick last year)

    Boston Picks
    #6 #17


    Then you have these teams who have 3 picks at least

    Toronto
    #20 #37 #59

    Bulls
    #16 #19 #49

    Charlotte
    #9 #24 #45

    Guess what most of these teams have cap space right now and potentially in 2015. Oh and most of those teams have players teams covet so they can make trades to improve. If we say well no one has any idea how good those players will be at positions drafted, while this may be true let's play the simple game of odds here...

    There are 26 picks total from just those 8 Eastern Conference teams but there are only 60 picks in the draft and there are several other teams who hold multiple picks. Which means the pool of teams in the draft is shrunk less by the 30 in total across the league. This means those 8 teams stand a significant chance to get 1 if not 2 major impact players on their team, changing not only the course of their franchise but the landscape of the conference. We play 52gms against the East and 30 games against the West. We went 26-26 this past season probably when the conference was at it's weakest.

    And going back to the unknown talent at those picks well let's say a team is just as unsure or wants to use their other options such these scenarios currently being discussed...


    Bulls talking to Nuggets to trade picks 16 and 19 for pick 11

    Bulls flipping pick 11 to Wolves for possibly Kevin Love

    Sixers talking to Cavs to trade Thaddeus Young and pick 3 for pick 1

    Kings trading pick 8 to Bucks for Brandon Knight and Dennis Shroeder


    All of this is just speculation at this point but there are simply far better options and flexibility with other franchises right now in comparison to ours to improve. The route we should take is somewhat similar to what Philly decided to do this past season. Start dumping dudes for as many picks you can get and be an absolute savage franchise come 2015 draft.

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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    From all the teams he's been on what players did he greatly impact as he played alongside them?
    That remark shows how clueless u r of Derek Fisher 17 yr career in the NBA.

    Derek Fisher are the main reason the OKC Thunder played 600 b.ball for 3 months without Westbrook.

    The season after the 2006-7 Lakers (42-40 record) got blown out of the first round in 5 games.
    The same Lakers roster with just the addition of Derek Fisher in 2007-8 had a 35-17 record at the February deadline when the Lakers traded for Pau Gasol.

    P.S.
    I believe Phil Jackson goal were to hire Kerr as HC, and Fisher as the top assistant head-coach in June.
    Who's the better HC out of the two? Fisher.
    Who's the better GM/HC out of the two? Kerr.
    Phil Jackson goal of building a "Dream-Team coaching-staff" for the Knicks 2015 offseason when the Knicks cap will be below $15M. And having HC/GM Steve Kerr evaluating the performance of each Knicks FA salary-worth throughout the 2014-15 season to resign or let go. That's a Great Master Plan!!!!

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    That remark shows how clueless u r of Derek Fisher 17 yr career in the NBA.

    Derek Fisher are the main reason the OKC Thunder played 600 b.ball for 3 months without Westbrook.

    The season after the 2006-7 Lakers (42-40 record) got blown out of the first round in 5 games.
    The same Lakers roster with just the addition of Derek Fisher in 2007-8 had a 35-17 record at the February deadline when the Lakers traded for Pau Gasol.

    P.S.
    I believe Phil Jackson goal were to hire Kerr as HC, and Fisher as the top assistant head-coach in June.
    Who's the better HC out of the two? Fisher.
    Who's the better GM/HC out of the two? Kerr.
    Phil Jackson goal of building a "Dream-Team coaching-staff" for the Knicks 2015 offseason when the Knicks cap will be below $15M. And having HC/GM Steve Kerr evaluating the performance of each Knicks FA salary-worth throughout the 2014-15 season to resign or let go. That's a Great Master Plan!!!!

    You couldn't have whiffed more with that statement. The Thunder maintained their status without Westrbook because of Durant's MVP campaign during that stretch and the play of Reggie Jackson

    Not to mention....

    You state Fisher's played 17yrs in the league, yet 1 of his 2 notable impacts was finally felt last season of career for a 3mos stretch<---------ROTFLMFAO @ You

    Also why embellish it wasn't for 3mos either. It was for about a month and a half, sprinkled with some layoffs here and there throughout the year from WB's injury.

    Then you try to ascribe all the Laker success to the addition of Fisher, while glossing over the fact of how huge Pau Gasol's addition was the same season? All of which has nothing to do with his coaching abilities btw.

    The Lakers started out 26-15(41gms) during the 2006-2007 season without Fisher.... no major deadline trade(February came around and they took a major slide). They spent half the season 10-11gms over .500. Although this was the season Kobe thought it be a good idea if he shot 27fga/gm probably wore on the team as it dragged along. Who likes playing with ball hogs for 82gms straight?

    The Lakers started out 27-14(41gms) during the 2007-2008 season with Fisher as what you call it the only significant addition to this point. As you can see the team's record wasn't different after 41gms half the season played. They went on to have a wonderful February. Probably nice to hear rumors of getting someone like Pau Gasol the same month what do you think?

    Now if you were tell me Fisher had great influence on Jordan Farmar, Monta Ellis, Baron Davis, Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams okay but there's no evidence to suggest he did.



    Go take a nap!!!!!!!!

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    WAIT AND SEE not just with DFish but with PJ too. Dolan spent a lot of money with those 2, Phil has to be the highest paid exec ever in the history of the NBA and we're paying a rookie head coach more than we paid Woody. It's a major gamble and so far PJ has only shown me that he can spend Dolan's money. The last guy I remember doing that was Isiah Thomas who also didn't mind spending Dolans money on dubious contracts and players.

    DFish talked a good game at his presser now he has to deliver. What I'm looking for next season is to see if he can overachieve with this roster, they showed they have the ability to win at the end of the season so let him build on that.

    Good Point.
    What peeps are not looking at is .................

    The Knicks 2013-14 ($90M cap) roster under new management, and new coaching-staff of the famous "Zen" and a rookie HC Derek Fisher are already putting fear into over half the teams in the league.
    If Jason Kidd could get a 54 win out of the Knicks roster, then what do u think Phil & Fisher can get out of the Knicks roster?

    Hint: When Phil showed-up in New York in March, the Knicks had a 21-40 record, the Knicks went on a 16-5 run for Phil Jackson to end the season.
    There will no longer be a "Puppet Woodson" with a one-play plan for 48 minutes a game "give the ball to ISO-Melo".
    There will no longer be defensive-collapse on switches, or the no communication on court on offense/defense.
    I hated the no communication on defense to watch Knicks guards run into hard-screens 2 or 3 times a game when defending quick guards, with Melo playing 45 minutes, JR playing 33 minutes, Tyson playing 33 minutes, and non of the trio ever warning their guard-teammate of the screen being set.
    And Knicks fans wondered why Beno wanted a buy-out, and Shump yelling/screaming at JR, Melo, Tyson, and Puppet-Woodson, while refusing to talk or listen to any of them.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Good Point.
    What peeps are not looking at is .................

    Hint: When Phil showed-up in New York in March, the Knicks had a 21-40 record, the Knicks went on a 16-5 run for Phil Jackson to end the season.

    Didn't the Knicks finish the season 18-6 with Woodson after D'Antoni got fired? Came back had a 54win season, followed it up with a 37win season thus Woodson canned.

    Lesson to learn here.....never place too much stock on how a team finishes a season in which they underperformed.
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    Originally Posted by 3G4G
    Didn't the Knicks finish the season 18-6 with Woodson after D'Antoni got fired? Came back had a 54win season, followed it up with a 37 win season thus Woodson canned.

    Lesson to learn here.....never place too much stock on how a team finishes a season in which they underperformed.

    There is a lesson.....Its called when you realize as a player there is a new regime coming in who will call the shots and all players would not be held accountable everything changes........

    When Woody came in the players knew they hot gold......They had a new BFF and the Dantonio era was off their shoulders......BUT this is basketball and that u will only take u so far....Woody's BFF with a few of the players backfired and he lost the locker room and the Knicks were the most non united team ever.........

    Melo now holds the keys to who he wants to be as a player.....He has Jackson/Fisher saying take less Money, Play the Triangle and do things OUR way and you will Championships.....Personally I do not think Melo is evolved enough or has the balls to follow the plan .......Melo for Love ?

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