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    did anybody manage to build a good team arround Marbury in his NBA history... I don`t think so, I would be ready to trade him not just for Kobe but for Jason Kidd too
    we have to do something otherwise my topic subject will come true

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    A knick fan wrote:

    I guess we could just be patient and do nothing and wait till this offseason to use t thomas and hardaway's expiring contracts to sign young, talented free agents
    I think you are somewhat confused.

    When we receive expiring contracts, that's when we can come off the books and go try to sign big free agents. But during this offseason we will be releasing expiring contracts, which means we can go after a good player and accept the rest of his big long term contract.

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    Kobe for Marbury nice but would never happen. on a side note i admit kobe is a good player but too much baggage hes turnin into another spreewell minus being a team player. i dont like kobe hes a primadonna and wouldnt fit in NY to me atleast. "i dont have shaqs number if i did id apologize" what a punk bit.

    Anyways Kidd for Marbury...not again! Kidd is just another 5 year long BIG contract exactly like Marburys and you get exactly the same thing in exchange well PLUS Kidds constant injuries.

    Oh i read this in NYDN and i heard what I wanted to hear...what do you think???

    Some see Thomas eventually turning to the biggest free-agent coach, Phil Jackson. When Jackson isn't criticizing Kobe Bryant, he has been campaigning for the Knicks job. A more plausible candidate may be Larry Brown, who is rumored to be on his way out of Detroit after this season. Brown is a close friend of Thomas' and would automatically go to the top of Thomas' wish list.

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    I do think Marbury and Crawford are the both a big problem. They take bad possesion shots. That is when a player (Marbury or Crawford) take a shot when no Knick player is in a rebound-ready position, as well they take poor shots early against the shot clock.. This has happened lots recently. As team leaders, they need to ensure they are not ataking shots for the sake of shooting. And please stop with the Eddy Curry talk. With the recent turn of the Bulls fortunes, who in there right mind would trade Curry or Chandler. Won't happen, so get over it! Swift is a guy we should pursue. He's kinda like a K-Mart in training. The Knicks need to get bigger, as well as address their bench. I thought the Knicks should have got Smush Parker, can score and Handle the rock, he defends ok. Eddie House would have been nice as well. Anyways we need guys that can play down low. If webber is stll available I say we get him. As well, Jalen with Webber, makes us bonafided. Fab Five reunion in NY is what I say. I hate Wally. we have bad enough defenders, so we move a bad defender for a worse one??? I fail to see that logic. I hope we get better soon. Whatever it takes.

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    If we get a new coach that will knock some sense into these kids we will be fine. We dont need Wilkens who will just be like "thats ok, better luck next time".

    Is get over it your catch phrase?? Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler are both free agents, Curry being a restricted one...so if Eddy wants to go with his bestfriend in Jamal Crawford im sure he could hold out and do it. and who knows with Tyson.

    Fab five? you must be talking about the queer eye guys buddy cause you have a better chance of seeing them on the sidelines at MSG then Howard, Rose, Webber, King and Jackson. More than likely you were talking bout just rose and webber and id love to see that....We do agree on a few things though. a thumbs up to Swift. a thumbs up to Rose. a thumbs up to Webber.

    Penny for Rose and Kurt and Tim Thomas for Chris Webber...pick up stromile, dont resign brewer or sundov. resign Ariza. and fill in the bench i like Keon Clark and Eddie House.

    C Nazr Mohammed
    F Chris Webber
    F Jalen Rose
    G Jamal Crawford
    G Stephon Marbury

    BENCH
    C Keon Clark
    C Vin Baker
    F Stromile Swift
    F Mike Sweetney
    F Jerome Williams
    F Trevor Ariza
    G Allan Houston
    G Eddie House
    G Moochie Norris

    I like it and its very possible...what do you think?

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    this topic's title should change into NYK won't make the playoffs...

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    kobe has no need to apologize to shaq. first of all, i wouldnt be the least bit surprised if its true that shaq did sleep with other women and paid them not to tell. and its not like kobe ratted him out to the national media. he was just saying it to the investigators who were interrogating him. he was probably trying to prove that if he really raped the girl, he would have just paid her off to keep her mouth shut, but that since he was innocent and sure of it, he wasn't going to pay the girl anything. he wasnt saying: "please tell the whole world that shaq sleeps with other women". i dunno why everyone got on kobe for that one. i think everyone takes it easy on shaq and gives kober a hard time. hes a superstar, id trade anybody on the entire knicks roster for him in a heart beat. the lakers made the right move in keeping kobe; shaq is aging and past his prime. kobe can still get better. no brainer.

    the knicks suck. if we get jalen rose, we will have not one, not two, but THREE ball hogs and bad shot takers who arent good shooters in our starting 5 in marbury, crawford and rose. we will be one of the worst teams in the league with no chemistry whatsoever. i guarantee it. rose is a cancer. DO NOT GET HIM. id trade marshall for kurt thomas straight up though. kurt is getting old. marshall has great energy. and, marshall can play the 3, so we could actually have a starting 5 of:

    Marbury, Houston, Marshall, Sweetney and Mohammad.

    Personally, i KNOW that this team is going nowhere. I'd completely unload every contract on the team and just start fresh.

    Trade Marbury, Houston, Hardaway for Rahim, Stoudamire, Patterson, Telfair and Outlaw

    Trade Crawford, Sundov, Baker for Nene, Nikiloz Tsikivitisisiii (whatever his last name is)

    Trade K. Thomas and T. THomas for Spreewell (and let him go after the season) and Olowokandi

    Isiah could easily make the payroll go from 100 million to 15 million this season. Then, sign free agents or do sign and trades or whatever, and get Curry (possibly Shaq Jr.), K. Brown (possibly ben wallace Jr.), S. Swift (possibly K. Mart Jr.), and any other talented free agents with 3-4 yrs of experience in the league, and build around them. I bet we can go from losers to winners in TWO YEARS. all isiah needs to do is have the BALLS to unload contracts and accept defeat this year. phoenix turned around in ONE year. we are the knicks, we will have no problem getting people to come here. we arent the utah jazz. but isiah's ego is too big - he'll never do it. thats why we will suck not just this year, but in the comming years as well. i think i might convert and become a charlotte bobcat fan before the knicks actually become a good team.

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    well it looks like we are out of a playoffspot right now and this gives the topic a bigger meaning. Do you really guys think we are gone be able to pass first round? Well i think we will manage to get in this years playoffs somehow but we will be too tired to even win 1 or 2 games.
    Lenny you had your time!!!! please leave us now... not because you are not a great coach but these guys need a wizard right now! somebody who can shake their had and make them work...if not for themselves and their ``poor`` contract then for us!!!!!!

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    No actually Kobe just said it to be kobe. even if he did say it to the investigators why would he blurt it out? oh im innocent unlike shaq who pays ppl off? thats ignorant. and who said they made a bad idea with the shaq trade i dont even think i brought that up. thats why he kobe also blurted out that malone allegedly said sumtin to his wife. kobes a punk.

    AND that had to be the worst idea ive ever heard...in no way would they ever be accepted for salary or by true knicks fan!!! they just dont make any sense...

    marbury, hardaway and houston fo Rahim, Stoudamire, Patterson, Telfair and Outlaw ---why? okay getting rid of houston would be ok...but hardaways contract bait and just marbury straight up is horrible...NY fans would not accept that in anyway and attendance would def. go down...
    Trade Crawford, Sundov, Baker for Nene, Nikiloz Tskitishvili why again?
    Trade K. Thomas and T. Thomas for Spreewell and Olowokandi no no no

    New York isnt going to stand for a rebuilding process and i understand wed get a bunch of expiring contracts but who would we pick up in the offseason so great that the LOW attendance and LOSS of interest would be worth it??? Eddy Curry? (not goin anywhere unless by trade) Swift and Brown (good players but not a person to build a team on)

    the knicks are about three things winning, excitement and superstars. and we mite not be doing the winning right now but we atleast have the fans into it for the most part and some stars. with all these trades we clear up space YES but who is going to sit in the stands to even care about cleared up cap space???

    think for logical trades thatd make us better right now...trade for rahim, or for marshall, or for walker, or pull of that webber trade and then wait until the offseason for the free agents and expiring contract bait...

    Become a bobcat fan cause with stupid ideas like that we dont need you

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    those are just ideas for trades. basically i think the payroll is bloated and needs to be cut down. every team is really bad before it becommes really good. at least by unloading we might position ourselves to get a top lottery pick. imagine if we did that last year and could have dwight howard to build around this year. maybe the clippers will get sick of eltron brand or corey magette or seattle wont think it can afford ray allen or milwaukee wont be able to afford michael redd. if we have a payroll BELOW the salary cap, we can actually make things happen and get these guys. marbury is a great player, but if we can use him to get rid of other contracts we dont want to start new, i think its something we must do. one season of bad ticket sales and bad attendance and fan disinterest is tolerable by me if it means success in the future. and KNOWLEDGABLE fan would understand that every team needs to go through a rebuilding phase at some point or another. besides, 80 million off the payroll will make up for some of the lost attendance. its worth it.

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    its not the loss of attendance, on the money side of things, that im particularly caring about rather the loss of attendance, on the interest side of things. Weve gone through a few years of losing interest and its hard to get back. Isiah is the one did that for us. and Isiah probably doesnt want to lose that interest...so hell more than likely manage with what he has. trading and trading and trading. theres a lot of deals out there to be made. Especially with the expiring contracts of Tim and Penny and the large interest in Kurt. i just dont think hell stand to rebuild so lets focus on the possible trade ideas that make us better....

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    its not that i wanna get rid of marbury. id love to keep him. i wanna get rid of houston, hardaway, norris and every other overpaid, aging, underachieveing scrub on our team. and nobody is going to take those scrubs unless marbury is included. look at us - we took penny's bad contract to get marbury.

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    i don`t think Williams is the right guy for takeing us in the playoffs and through the first round. These guys need somebody that they are afraid of! You guys are experts in trades and coaches. can you find another coach for the Knicks????

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    how about herb williams, our new head-coach?

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    NYKnicks15 to be honest, I find you infuriating. I know that the fab five was comprised of Five seperate guys (Ray Jackson & Jimmy King Being the two that didn't find any longevity in the league). And what's with stupid queer eye crap? The only fab five to me is from Michigan, so where you're going with the rest of that noise I simply don't know. And when I say get over it, it simply what I mean. I get really tired of people posting things like we should trade for Shaq or Kobe. I like to read posts that are tempered by reality as well as intelligence. If somebodys into fantasy basketball, go write your dream trades there. I mean some of these trade scenarios wouldn't happen on Xbox, of course unless you force the trade. But outside the matrix, in the really real world, not everyone is so stupid. If any GM in the league did half the nonsense i've read, they would be not only a laughing stock, they'd be an unemployed, black-balled, fool. Simple. The wally crap gets on my nerves. I was watching Wally get put in the torture chamber recently by...GULP...Chuck Atkins. He also got served a facial Caron Butler in the same game. I guess that we should get him and his lousy contract. I say we wait for Artest. If he does become available, I don't want the Knicks to miss that boat again.

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