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    I've never been a huge fan of Melo, but much of the recent criticism seems unfair and inaccurate. The 'he did it for the money' argument doesn't hold water. He would have made more money had he never opted out. The truth is the Knicks are not that far behind Chicago. We didn't make the playoffs and Chicago got crushed in the first round. It's not like he turned down the Clippers.

    You need a superstar to build around and if Melo can adapt to the triangle this can be a very serious playoff contender in the eastern conference.

    Grading Phil: Bringing in Fisher was a good move but it's still too early to grade this move. Trading Chandler and Felton was an excellent move. Felton is finished and Chandler has spoken freely against Woodson. Not good to have a player undermining a coach. Bringing in Calderon was definitely an upgrade at pg. Time will tell obviously, but these moves look good.

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    Originally Posted by donchris
    I've never been a huge fan of Melo, but much of the recent criticism seems unfair and inaccurate. The 'he did it for the money' argument doesn't hold water. He would have made more money had he never opted out. The truth is the Knicks are not that far behind Chicago. We didn't make the playoffs and Chicago got crushed in the first round. It's not like he turned down the Clippers.
    No he wouldn't have. He could only sign a 4yr extension including the opt in yr. While his salary would have been more per yr for tose 4yrs the guaranteed money wouldn't have been on 5yrs. He's making around $5-6mil less in his first 4yrs on this contract had he extended and not opted out.

    He does have an opt out yr 4 of this deal which makes it comparable to a 4yr extension. Once again the key difference is the 5th yr as he can use it as insurance a la Amar'e & Bagnani opting in, knowing money may be scarce for him at 34-35yrs of age.


    Originally Posted by donchris
    You need a superstar to build around and if Melo can adapt to the triangle this can be a very serious playoff contender in the eastern conference.

    Grading Phil: Bringing in Fisher was a good move but it's still too early to grade this move. Trading Chandler and Felton was an excellent move. Felton is finished and Chandler has spoken freely against Woodson. Not good to have a player undermining a coach. Bringing in Calderon was definitely an upgrade at pg. Time will tell obviously, but these moves look good.
    Melo is not a Superstar more so a glorified All-Star if that. Calderon eats into our 2015 cap almost double what Felton was making. Do you see Calderon starting on a contending team? I don't. What year will we contend? next yr or the yr after? Calderon will be pushing 35 come on. Calderon has spent most of his career leading teams to the lottery. You said time will tell, well some players don't have time

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    Originally Posted by donchris
    I've never been a huge fan of Melo, but much of the recent criticism seems unfair and inaccurate. The 'he did it for the money' argument doesn't hold water. He would have made more money had he never opted out. .
    ofcourse he did it for the $$$$... he gave phil a 1m a year discount... BIG_DEAL... phil can wipe his a$$ with that $$$... if he so into winning, why not pull a Duncan, or a dirk... give the club some flex... he gave them dick...

    and I don't have a problem with anyone signing for the most $$$ they can get...BUT say it was the $$$....

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    Sure would have liked to see Phil offer Melo something like 100M over 5 years and say "We think it's a fair offer, it's more than Carmelo could make anywhere else and it gives the Knicks more flexibility to build the competitive team Carmelo wants". Would have loved to see Melo's reaction if Phil told him that.

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    Sure would have liked to see Phil offer Melo something like 100M over 5 years and say "We think it's a fair offer, it's more than Carmelo could make anywhere else and it gives the Knicks more flexibility to build the competitive team Carmelo wants". Would have loved to see Melo's reaction if Phil told him that.
    I wonder if that's when "winning" would have been more important to Melo when being asked and he would have went to another team.

    I'm not hating on Melo. I hope he plays a big role in a championship for us, just yeah. I don't mind him not taking the Duncan discount, he's 30, but he's made enough in his career to take a significant discount. If winning was that important he would have realized he'd still be making bank from his contract and making a load of money from endorsements, it's New York.

    I'm not gonna be negative. He might be generally a nice guy too, but he has to be better at how he approaches things whether it be statements he makes or hire a better talker for him, or both.

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    Originally Posted by Tkf
    I say very average, the way he handled the carmela negotiations was not very good. Losing out on kerr was a negative, not that kerr is some HOF coach, but the thinking was that PHIL's name and reputation was supposed to be the ace in the hole for the knicks.. so far, I don't see that..

    Welcome, I like the new member "TFK" already.

    I also had the vision of Phil Jackson hiring ex-GM Kerr as the Knicks headcoach to play GM/Coach, plus hire Derek Fisher as the Knicks top assistant headcoach, with a few of Phil and Kerr ex-players on the Knicks coaching-staff.

    I also vision Phil giving Melo what Melo ask for "a pay-cut!". be careful what u ask for!
    I also expect Phil to do something quick about our "oil vs water" big-man situation of Tyson/Barg/Amare/K-Mart/Melo during the month of July.

    Phil suppose to let all our bigmen know next season will be a same-page team when he FIRED the entire coaching-staff. Who want to stay a Knicks? and who dont want to stay a Knicks?
    With a big-man rotation of Tyson/Amare/Melo/K-Mart/and Bargs the Knicks were suppose to make it to the ECF.
    The so-call injuries, woodson, felton, and jrsmith poor performance was not suppose to be an excuse for not making the postseason games.

    The Knicks hiring the famous "ZEN" were suppose to move mountains like he did with Chicago and the Lakers.

    Adding Calderon to the roster was a very good decision however, we needed another big trade in July, to add a 2nd PG with starter experience to the roster, making Pablo Prigioni our 3rd PG to use as a defensive combo in small lineup for playing time.
    PG-Larkins SL performance is not the PG we need to depend on if Calderon (32 age) or Pablo (37 age) is out with injury for more than a week in a 82 game season.

    I did expect more from the "ZEN" in the month of July and early Aug. then playing around with adding FOUR SF to the roster in "Melo/Early/Acy/Outlaw".
    For some unknown reason sports writers/announcers has not put Phil's Knicks on the list of contenders in the East???

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    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] of ESPN gave PJ a B+ in this writeup. Phil made the choice to build around Melo, he could have gone in the other direction and rebuilt from scratch in letting him go but Ohm calls Melo one of the all time greats so while you may question whether Melo is one of the top players to ever play the game, the decision to re-sign him was a safer one.

    Today’s question: How would you grade Phil Jackson so far?

    When Phil Jackson took over as Knicks president in mid-March, he had the tall task of rebuilding the Knicks in his desired image of team ball, keeping [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], fixing the Knicks’ salary cap and finding a new coach.

    In just a few months, Jackson has already put his finger prints on the organization. To be honest, I have been somewhat surprised at how much Jackson has done in a short time already.

    [+] EnlargeAP Photo/Seth Wenig

    Jackson hired trusted former player Derek Fisher as coach last June.



    Let’s start with his biggest win to date as first-time team president –- keeping Melo. Sure, Jackson had the cards stacked in his favor with the ability to pay Anthony more than any other team. But Anthony could have easily left to join [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] in Chicago or [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] in Los Angeles or [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] in Houston.

    Anthony says his decision came down to the Knicks and Bulls. Chicago pulled out all the stops as Tom Thibodeau and the Bulls organization did their best to convince Anthony that the Bulls were his best chance to win a title in the near future.

    But Jackson provided Anthony with enough of a plan to convince him to stay. Without a doubt, money ($124 million) played a role in keeping Anthony. But Jackson did convince Anthony to take $5 million less than the max to help a bit with the cap. His steady demeanor, calming influence and all those championship rings certainly were a factor in Anthony’s decision.

    Anthony bought into Jackson’s vision and plan for the Knicks’ future. A rebuilding project that will be directed by Derek Fisher. Jackson’s second-biggest move of his tenure thus far was the hiring of Fisher.

    Fisher may be unproven having never coached before. And he was Jackson’s second choice
    behind Steve Kerr. But after losing Kerr, Jackson got the next best option and really the only solid alternative left from his coaching tree to sell to the fan base.

    Jackson absolutely needed Fisher. He wanted a coach who was molded in his image. A coach who was familiar with the intricacies of the triangle, a proven winner and someone with the type of personality to handle New York. Fisher fits the bill. And look, it’s possible that Fisher ends up being a better coach than Kerr, who also has never coached before.

    Jackson will mentor Fisher and be able to establish the team-first culture he wants through the former Lakers point guard.

    If these had been the only two moves Jackson had made going into the new season, the Zen Master would have had a successful summer. But he also made other moves that showed he isn’t standing pat and waiting until next summer to start changing the Knicks’ identity.

    Melo's Place

    Carmelo Anthony is the Knicks' biggest star. He's also one of the all-time greats. Jackson unloaded the unhappy [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and disappointing [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] to Dallas in exchange for [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and two second-round picks.




    I felt the Knicks lost value in Chandler’s defense/rebounding and his expiring contract. But in order to get rid of Felton, Jackson had to do it. Also, Chandler seemed like he was ready for a fresh start elsewhere and Jackson cited chemistry as a reason for doing the deal.

    Calderon will be a slight upgrade over Felton. Reason I say that is his defense certainly will be exposed on some nights. He should be a better shooter and distributor than Felton and likely a better fit in the triangle. By all accounts, Calderon is a well-liked player in the locker room so that bodes well for chemistry. But again, defensively, Calderon could struggle.

    Dalembert will help replace some of the things Chandler gave the Knicks. He can rebound and block shots. His basketball IQ may not be as good as Chandler’s though. Chandler was the defensive quarterback of the team.

    Larkin is the wild card in the trade. I do like Jackson getting the former first-round pick back in this deal. Even if Larkin doesn’t pan out, it is worth seeing if the speedy guard can reach his first-round potential under Fisher’s guidance. If he does, that would be a very pleasant surprise.

    Jackson also was able to get the Knicks back into the draft after initially having no picks due to previous trades. He used one of his second rounders on [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], who could end up being a contributor. At the very least, Anthony provides the Knicks with some more young legs and a potential asset as Jackson wants his team to get out in transition.

    The Knicks president wasn’t done wheeling and dealing. He signed center [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] in free agency, providing the Knicks some much-needed height and depth inside. Smith could be a terrific fit in the triangle with his ability to hit from the outside and he can be a shot-blocker as well if he can remain healthy.

    And Jackson dealt [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], who also came in the Dallas deal, and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] to Sacramento for [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] to add more depth at forward and some toughness in Acy.

    All in all, Jackson was probably busier than most would have predicted in his first few months on the job. He could have stood pat and just re-signed Anthony and hired Fisher. But he made other moves to try to improve the team for this season and retain cap flexibility.

    Obviously, he has many more moves to make with next summer, which is a critical offseason for him. That is when he will truly earn his big bucks. But through the first six months on the job, Jackson deserves a B+ so far.

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