Broadway, you of all people surprise me by being upset over losing Ndour because we would not give him the season and a half guaranteed that Dallas gave him. Especially given how much you have questioned our glut at PF. I'm wondering if anyone will change their tune when Ndour doesn't get any minutes in Dallas or if people will still say we should have given up cap space for next season to have yet another end of the bench guy.
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Broadway, you of all people surprise me by being upset over losing Ndour because we would not give him the season and a half guaranteed that Dallas gave him. Especially given how much you have questioned our glut at PF. I'm wondering if anyone will change their tune when Ndour doesn't get any minutes in Dallas or if people will still say we should have given up cap space for next season to have yet another end of the bench guy.
Tig I guess the way it works is Atkins and Saunders will be the DA MAN camp invites to replace DA MAN camp invites who were on our summer league team last yr in Sherrod Wright(New York bred) and Todd Mayo.
Although the latter guys never got called up last yr, who were once the seasoned 3-4yr undrafted collegiate players and more than likely won't make our team this yr, that's okay.
The former guys are a different type of signing because with a yr past the new signings, are now 1-2yrs younger. So it's a matter of replacing the guy who replaced the guy who replaced the guy who replaced the guy.
How could we forget the great camp invite in Orlando Sanchez...although older the gem may have signed a deal overseas...these new fresh signings though become the new shiny Langstons. Langston should be worried actually because his deal isn't guaranteed.
Plus Wesley has sport analyst blood in him, his uncle is John Saunders probably stands a chance to be really good at this is what all my notes say.
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I brought this up as a question as this is a valid one. I asked right after the signing what do people believe his numbers will look like if he gets minutes in comparison to any Knick FC player this yr. I should have qualified this when asked and excluded Lopez and O'Quinn.
He may not get minutes in Dallas. Here's the deal though...as I've stated before.....when Thomas and Lance were signed and some scratched our head why, the retort then was...listen guys they won't get heavy minutes they're just depth and filler signings. Now that we lost NDour it's well guys where would he play?
So translating all the rebuttal. This means Lopez/O'Quinn/Williams/Melo are most certainly getting the minutes at front court....with Lou and Lance getting love as backups(they will play). So where does #kporzee play then? See how this vicious cycle of logic works?
Here's the key Lou and Lance signed 1 yr deals and aren't 23 yrs old. Therefore why not have someone like NDour platoon with him on a very cheap multi-yr deal so they can grow together?
Yeah and he got signed by the Spurs(of all teams) on a multi-yr deal. He's a beast, he just needs playing time.
They overpaid Lopez and for the 5M they paid Williams they could have kept Aldrich, Bargnani and Shved. Not sure why they needed to sign Williams one week into FA like he was a hot commodity but he's the guy that will be a litmus test for Phil's ability to judge talent.
Knixy
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Lopez got fair market value for a C and I'll reserve judgement on Williams until I see him play here.
I didn't want Bargnani back under any circumstances. The just oozes losing. Aldrich and Shved are end of the bench players so no big deal.
Actually Lopez should have got closer to what Koufos received. Is Lopez even a Top 15 center in this league? I think I can name 15 players at his position I'd rather have over him.
Knixy
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Koufos is a backup C. Lopez is an established starting C and one of the best defensively.
Just because you start doesn't mean you should be overpaid.....
Afflalo is a starting 2 guard, that doesn't mean he should get DeMarre Carroll money
Damian Lillard is a starter that doesn't mean he should get Anthony Davis money
Reggie Jackson is a starter that doesn't mean he should be making Russell Westbrook money
Knixy
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$13.5M is the equivalent of about $10M next season with the cap rise. Which is not bad for Lopez at all. And Carroll got almost double of what Afflalo got. Phil did not overpay at all.
The point of mentioning Afflalo went right over your head. Phil should have given Lopez an Afflalo type deal not Tyson Chandler(who none of us would have wanted Phil to re-up at $54mil) had we kept him.
A bad deal is a bad deal. I get tired of this, "but when the cap rises" talk. A good deal is a good deal the same way.
Javelle Mcgee at the top of his game only got a 4yr/44M deal and he was putting up better rebounding and scoring numbers when he got his deal then Lopez. Lopez is also an overrated defender, he has a DRtg of 108 over his career and 104 last year in Portland his best DRtg since he's been in the league. Mozgov who I think is better signed a 15M/3yr deal with the Nuggets his last contract.
PJ definitely overpaid for him, I want to see if he's able to pick up the scoring slack on the Knicks. If he does he may be worth his contract.
exactly... lopez deal is bad under this cap and any cap, I don't care how big the cap gets..
good post tiger.... and great point about moz deal.. moz looked like a heck of a center in the playoffs.. and he is playing on a much cheaper deal than lopez... lopez is not a scorer at all, so I don't expect much out of him there..
Knixy
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Well, Lopez is a little younger than Chandler and a better fit in the triangle. I think 15% of your cap on a starting C is ideal. I know Lopez isn't a star but he'll help. Especially defensively. Of course you would have proffered to get any player at a cheaper price but that's not what the market was this summer. If Mozgov was a free agent this summer, he too would have gotten $13.5M/yr. There was just no way you would have gotten Lopez or any starting C for $8M. C's always get a lot of money.
Knixy
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If McGee had Lopez's brain and work ethic, he'd be a really good player. But I think Lopez will do good for us. Especially defensively. Maybe I'm being a homer but I'm sort of expecting Lopez to have the same type of impact Chandler had here in 2012. I don't think Lopez will be an All-Star or DPOY but he'll change the culture.