New York @ Detroit 01/29 Game Thread (L 91-61)
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New York Knicks (18-24 ) ::6-13 on Road
Detroit Pistons (25-18 ) :: 14-7 at The Palace
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watching the game and so far so good. were without penny who was a big part of last game but i hope that ankle feels better soon. Good playing by Nazr. Brewer im starting to like this guy good D, and energetic worries about his teammates before himself which is rare. and last before i go back to the game i have to take something back i said a little while ago sort of. I said Ariza wasnt ready to start due to his lack of bball iq. but hes definetely playing great out there. two great dunks so far. im really surprised he went so deep in the draft. just needs to develop his jumpshot but he truly is are future at SF....until we get Lebron haha (we can always dream)....post back after halftime or so GO KNICKS!!!!
the ref is hurt. Arroyo hurt. Prince shooken up. and most importantly the only injury i dod care about is TREVOR ARIZA!!! nothing can go right for the knicks. marbury and crawford not producing, no one is producing. were done 21 this whole half we gave up and played with no heart...were playin like u know what
ugh our offense was non existant. usually the problem is defense but tonight looked a lot like both. nyknicksfan15, u said ariza is injured???
ariza sprained left ankle this sucks.... any happen to catch his alleyoop and his huge put back dunk......all these injuries are really pissing me off houston is getting paid way to much to be sitting on the bench, this is what should happen to layden for signing him that huge contract :
One Word - Crap
yes sir. left ankle sprain like he said above
we need to get rid of houston asap. hes only going to get worse. i dont think anybody would take houstons contract unless marbury was invovled as well.
i know ive said this many times, and i know that its not likely to happen, but we NEED TO UNLOAD ALL OF OUR CONTRACTS so that we can start with a fresh new payroll next season.
marbury, houston, hardaway, k. thomas for stouadmire, rahim, telfair, outlaw, miles
this must be done. actually i dont evne think portland would do that. it'd have to be:
marbury, houston, k. thomas for rahim, stoudamire, telfair and outlaw
then we get 30 million comming off the books at the end of this season and another 30 million (penny and tim t.) next season
if the knicks dont do this, they will be an average team for many years to come
not this crap again...haha jk im going to be nice about it...
as I see lowering are annual salaries a good thing it really will never happen.
next year Tim Thomas, Penny Hardaway, Moochie Norris, Vin Baker, Nazr will be in the last years of their contracts were in a decent situation here. unloading are contracts this year will do nothing for us because most of the players becoming free agents will stick with their team. and no one out there this year is frankly great enough for us to pursue in my opinion.
in a time like this you need to think of roster moves that will help are team in the long run. saving cap space and playing even worse then we are now wont solve anything. accept going into the draft early but with a weak group of kids to pick from.
i hate to say this but in due time we will be fine...2006/07 offseason will be great for us salary will be very low and it happens thats the year LeBron becomes a free agent
in due time theres no need to rush and get salary space for no reason
think small but eventually effective trades, plus would u really want miles whos contract runs all the way to 09/10??
I really can't see Thomas trading Marbury away this off-season, he seems pretty convinced that the expiring contracts we have will make for an interesting summer.
We will have to wait and see.
when Ariza can back?
nyknicks15,
did u read this article:
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isiah sucks. how will having expring contracts be any better? why woud a team trade with him if they really like a player? he'll only be able to get players like tim thomas if he tries to use those expiring contracts to his advantage. he'll never get a really great star, because why would that team let that star go?
if you dont realize that we need to unload the entire knicks roster and start fresh, then u are crazy. and its people like that who had caused the knicks to be so bad for such a long time. people that put pressure on the gm to "win now". and people who are always optimistic that those expriing contracts will be useful. its crap and i dont buy it. we need to shave off about 70 million off the payroll. isiah is an egomaniac and he wont do it so he should be fired.
that article and ur comment contradicted yourself...
you said having expiring contracts is pointless....then you post something saying isiah is bad for getting rid of expiring contracts...that makes no sense man.
we used expiring contracts to get who?! Jamal Crawford and Stephon Marbury are two guard starters....chicago was willing to get rid of its rising star. pheonix was willing to get rid of its star of that time frame.
people will get rid of stars because sometimes you want to start with a fresh face. with a smaller salary cap and make a run for "better" players down the road. just like your proposed marbury/houston/thomas whoever trade for expiring contracts. you would want us to get rid of marbury and thomas to get expiring contracts...and dont get me wrong but id love to see houstons salary gone but its not gonna happen...you talked about not having to win right now....then wait....baker, norris, thomas, penny, nazr then after that houston and williams....will be in there last years of contracts within the next years so then sit back and be patient
theres a difference.
rahim and stoudamire have contracts that expire at the END OF THE SEASON. so that would be 30 million or so comming off the books immediately. penny and tim dont. we would have to trade them to get anything out of it.
jamal crawford - noboy except us wanted him. hes not a star, he takes too many shots - lots of guys could score 20 points a game if they chucked up as many shots as him. and he does nothing else (defend or rebound).
marbury was a scoring point guard and phoenix was smart to realize that in this league, the teams that do the best almost always have PASS FIRST point guards. look how great they did after the dumped marbury on us. marbury might be a better overall player than nash, but as a pass first pg, nash is better for his team.
i think the terminology is messed up. i want contracts that will end at the end of this season. we probably still wont get under the cap, but we will make progress.
we wont get **** this summer out of penny and tim. watch and see. actually, we will. we'll get another long term contract of an above average player and we will enter this endless torture of having overpaid bums with long contracts on our team.
i havent contradicted ****. you are just a naive fan that always is optimistic and wants to always win, instead of understanding the reality of the situation.
and besides that, even if the knicks got a decent player, they STILL would barely be an above avg team in the nba, if even that. they are a LOOOONG way away from being title contenders. and they will never get better because of people like isiah thomas and you.
dude u must be PMS-ing. you really need to chill out.
did i ever say theyd be a title contender soon? NO i said be patient. you must play too much nba live dynasty mode because getting rid of all our contracts to the trailblazers (will not happen). so YOU must not realize the reality of the situation buddy. i said we have expiring contracts in nazr, vin, moochie, tim and penny eventually allan and williams. i never said we had to win win win. i said be patient. within the next few years we will be fine but we are rebuilding and you just have to wait...if you want to be informed even better check out the thread called KNICKS FUTURE. unloading all the contracts right now wont do anything!!! tell me who is so good that we need to unload are contracts right now?! what progress could we make by doing this?! think about it were better off waiting out the contracts of the players we have now an actually attempt to be mediocre...instead of trading for expiring contracts in which there is no great free agents to fill those spots nor is it worth going into the draft for a weak player.
isiah thomas and me? its nice to be put in the same sentence as him. look what isiah did.
would you rather have....
C Dikembe Mutumbo/Macjei Lampe/Michael Doleac, Slavko Vranes
F Kurt Thomas/Othella Harrington/Mike Sweetney/Antonio Mcdyess
F Keith Van Horn/Shandon Anderson/Clarence Weatherspoon
GAllan Houston
G Howard Eisley/Charlie Ward/Frank Williams
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C Nazr Mohammed/Vin Baker/Bruno Sundov
F Kurt Thomas/Mike Sweetney
F Tim Thomas/Trevor Ariza/Jerome Williams
F Jamal Crawford/Penny Hardaway
G Stephon Marbury/Moochie Norris/Jamison Brewer ?????
we were a losing team before hand now we just have a good core of players. he was stuck with what he was given and tried to make due with it. do you know Isiah personally?!?! are u in his head?!? u dont know what he has in store down the road. with houstons, bakers, norris', williams, tims and pennys contracts ALL expiring in 2-3 years dont you think maybe JUST maybe he wants to make a run at a great player like amare who becomes a free agent in 06 or yao who becomes a free agent in 06 aswell...but personally i think hell go after someone even greater like LEBRON JAMES who becomes a free agent in 07.....im just tryin to say isiah isnt doin anything wrong, he knows what hes doing or atleast he leads us to believe. you said it yourself were not gonna win a championship anytime soon BE PATIENT and everything will work out for the best...he said it good in the other thread you have to have a little faith seeing Isiah did build the pacers...
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