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    allan houston has definetely done a lot for the knicks, there's no questin about it. but the fact remains, his contract is absurd and he clogs up the payroll and prevents the knicks from signing other better players. its not smart (and maybe a little cold hearted) to judge a player by what he has done for you in the past, you have to think about what he can do for you in the present and the future. and houston cant do much for us. we should have gotten rid of him at the beginning of the season when it might have been possible to do so, but at this point i dont know if there would be any takers.

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    i wouldnt mind seeing marbury be traded. but, in his defense, i dont think the fact that every team he has been traded from has become good after he left really has that much to do with him. in minnesota, they were a young team. garnett hadn't become an mvp type player. they didn't have other good role players like sczerbiak, spree, and cassell. so minnesota only became good after garneet became better and they made other key additions. with the nets, same thing. marbury got traded before richard jefferson, kenyon martin, and kerry kittles all became great players. he never got to reap the benefits of having a great SF and PF to run up and down the court with him. same thing in phoenix - amare was just a rookie (or in his second year) and still learning his craft, marion was still improving, joe johnson wasn't a great shooter yet, and richardson wasn't even there. then, with the knicks, houston got injured, crawford hogs the ball, and there's nobody else around. its not really marbury's fault. but, with that said, i dont think marbury is a "carry the franchise on your back" type player, and i wouldnt mind trading him (along with houston) for contracts that will expire this season and young talent (if it could even be done).

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    it could be done but probably never will. hes not a carry the team on ur back player and i think everyone knows that. he needs that number one guy and hell be fine. we just have to trade for him or a group of good talent. thats the only way isiah sees it i believe.

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    A KNICK FAN is my favorite guy that ever makes comments in these things. i've seen many comments written by him but i agree with most of his stuff. A KNICK FAN rules!!! KNICKS rule!!!!!

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    i still think marbury is a leader, i just seriously think he doesnt have enuf help. the rest of the guards and forwards other than k thomas r VERY inconcsistent, he cant do it all by himself, in like 6 of his last 7 games hes put up at least 30 pts per, some fantastic numbers, but when u look at the producticity of some other players, it is usually very low

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    thats cuz marburys not that good

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    we win more when marbury scores less

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    very true. he has role players he doesnt have that number 2 or number 1 for that matter the he can go to. And unlike in MN (hopefullys he matured since then) he has to realize he needs to except the role of number 2 or 3 to make this team great....problem is we dont have anyone better than him!!!

    in the rest of the teams defense they score less on a nightly basis because hes a shoot first PG and puts up big numbers for the most part. so they dont get a lot of shots off. BUT when they do they miss them anyways for the most part. look at crawford he puts up big numbers but WHY? cause he chucks up about 20 a night and makes less than half. marbury on the other hand shoots and makes them 47% shooting. hes efficient. and the only reason he has big numbers in losing games is because unlike Crawford or Tim he steps up to keep us alive.

    by the way going to stats....in WINS Marbury averages 20.57 ppg....in LOSSES he averages 20.75....a .18 difference!!!...so its pretty lame to say we win more when he makes less...

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    Originally Posted by H20 OFFdaHizZLe
    we win more when marbury scores less
    For once, role players stepped up and made their shots and Stephon didn't have to do it all by himself...It's about freaking time, don't you think?
    It is very close-minded to make such a rash statement.
    Have you noticed that in the games that Marbury puts up big numbers, it's because no one else on the team can score???
    Trust me, if he can have games where the offensive load is evenly distributed, he wouldn't feel pressured to score and be forced to put up big numbers.

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    The reason for the lack of chemistry on this team, is lack of trust. The team doesn't trust eachother on the court. That's why you will see Marbury take over. In all his high scoring games he starts out passing alot, see's that no one is hitting shots, so he takes over and tries to do it all himself. Unfortunately that won't work consistantly unless you're Jordan. Bottom line, other people on the Knicks need to step up... Marbury should work on his perimeter defense, that's about it.

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    I think if Marbury wants to play the 2, he should have been forthcoming with the Knicks in that respect. He is a PG. Pass first, score second. If he wants to score that's fine. Let's be honest, how many times since Marbury's been here have we seen him hold the ball too long? A PG is supposed find offense for his teammates. He constantly fails to hit open targets because of his selfishness. Notice how everyone thinks the Knicks would be better off Marburyless?(read my other post, link to Marbury should go story). We need a PG that's We first instead of Me first...Plain and simple. Guys can't get into rhythm when they have seen a pass in 3 quarters. I think Marbury...when its all said an done will be essentially Gary Payton, without the defense. He's strikes me as that kid that doesn't get the concept of sharing. Kids will still play in the same sand box, but in spite of the selfish, spoiled-brat that happens to be inhabiting the same sandbox.

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    there is nothing wrong with a shooting point guard. especially when there is truly no one to pass it to. now if we had eddy curry or shaq for god sakes in the post and he didnt pass id be pissed. if we had kobe bryant or michael redd at the 2 and didnt pass id be pissed. BUT how many times have we seen him pass the ball away to crawford on an open shot? how many times have we seen him and kurt hook eachother up with the pick and roll or him feed the ball to nazr in the paint? Honestly he does it all and you cant deny it.

    Who would you like him to pass it to more? Inconsistent Crawford? who still gets and avg of 20 ppg? or Nazr? who when wasnt in his slump and missing easy baskets or injured was averaging 12 ppg? Kurt who also hits that 16 footer consistently and gets 12 ppg? We have to face it. it really isnt marburys fault. and dont get me wrong he does occassionally hold the ball too long. but you cant listen to reporters opinions because half of them havent even played a day of ball in their lives....For the most part when he does take alot of shots its because he needs to take the game over because were down 15-20 points in the 3rd/4th. AND he makes more than half!! I dont see the problem aslong as he puts the ball in the whole and DOES feed people the ball with his 10 (thats what its been lately) assists per game.

    I'm not a Marbury cult follower and no I havent drank his "koolaid" BUT I just think everyone needs to watch a game all the way through. See how many times he feeds ppl the ball or passes it away....and honestly the only time hes cost us a game is when he DIDNT take the last shot and has given Crawford or Tim that opportunity...Im going to go out on a limb and say if he wasnt here and was injured or something we wouldnt have a chance in any 48 minutes, 4 quartered game.

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    I agree with NYKnicks15. Marbury has no outlets on this team. He still averages somewhere around 8 assists a game however. To say he doesn't share the ball is just simply not true. If this team had some fluidity, Marbury's passing ability would excel.
    I see potential in Crawford, but it's all in the mental aspect to his game. Ariza and Sweetney are also good young players to hold on to this summer. These guys need to play together for awhile to gel. No doubt this season is a bust, but the one thing the Knicks can gain is an identity, by playing together and building some chemistry the remainder of the season.

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    I'm sorry fellas, I still don't agree. When the Knicks were winning and led the atlantic, these same guys were performing and hitting shots. As soon as some of the guys cooled off, was when Marbury kept looking for his own offense first. This is habitual. That's why he's continually on the move via trade. He constantly reverting to starbury, the one man show. Guys can't make shots when they don't get the ball in rhythm, or get the first quarter off. How do you stay focused when you constantly get nary a look. He can complain he has no help, but he is in a hell of his own creation. He stifled this offense, and that's what KT called him ouit. We've all seen Nazr, KT, and others open, and a horrible shot get thrown up by Marbury. Ridiculous. You can say there's nobody there. If Marbury feels that way, he should try playing 5 on 1. Sounds kind of ridiculous, but that's what been happening lately anyways.

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    I agree with this:
    When the Knicks were winning and led the atlantic, these same guys were performing and hitting shots.
    Exactly the point we are trying to make - many of those games Marbury never went off on any team - he played his team ball and the wins were coming.
    When the knicks got hit with injuries and the losses started to pile up, players lost confidence in their game - they lost that mental focus and it was only a matter of time that Marbury realized to give the knicks a fighting chance he had to take on the offensive burden himself and be that one man show.
    The best example of when marbury tried to play team ball during this injury prone stretch was in Cleveland when the knicks were killed. He attempted only 6 shots, shot 50% but had 12 assists in that game - what happened? the team shot 39% from the field
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    the knicks got decimated 104-79.
    Now if marbury took over the offensive load in that game, as he has been doing, we might have still lost but by a much more respectable margin.


    The problem with that tho and the reason why the knicks have lost so many games in the dying minutes of a game, is because marbury had to do it all on his own for 45mins and then he is so exhausted in crunch time, he has no gas left in his tank.
    Once the knicks come back injury free - the knicks and marbury will revert back to playing ball that was winning them games.

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